Time to ban knifes...fuk!

[Lunk1]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...ities-say?lite

[Capebuffalo]

I mean that's terrible but knifes screw drivers ice picks forks ? Almost anything can be used as a weapon.

[LGM]

Dude was running around with a box cutter or exacto type knife, according to local news here... accounts vary, but 14 stabbed (some girls in the face), 3 refused treatment, 2 in critical condition, 2 in fair condition, the rest being treated.

Must've hit a ton of girls, because I cant for the life of me see how I just let some dude slash me and run off to slash someone else. I'm finding a chair or something to beat your ass with.

[Lunk1]

This is why ppl should carry concealed lol

[jimmyinkedup]

This is why ppl should carry concealed lol

I like it. I can hear me know. "You stupid ass you brought a knife to a gunfight now get on the ground before i blow your fvcking face off" lol

[RaginCajun]

There was a shooting there a few months ago I think.

[Shol'va]

Yep with our elected officials now about to vote on banning guns cause they kill people, well now add knives to the list. And guess what? Wait till someone mows down people with a car. Then by their own train of thought in Washington they will have to ban all cars and trucks from America. Man we have some stupid elected people representing us. I just wish they'd grab hold of their ears and pull their heads out of their azz. Guns aren't even close to the issue at hand. Evil crazy people are. And if they think they can stop them by simply banning guns, then they too are crazy. IMO

[diesel101]

I'm ahead of the game, I've thrown away all of the butter knives in my house just to be safe!

[Lunk1]

I'm ahead of the game, I've thrown away all of the butter knives in my house just to be safe!

If they want my ginsu knife they will have to pry it from my cold dead hands!

[Flagg]

You need to get close to someone to hurt/kill with a blunt instrument.

You can kill from a distance with a gun, and several people in the space of seconds.

I dont know why gun advocates have to hammer this point home that knives are equally as dangerous, when they are not, and there is statistical evidence to back this up.

[Lunk1]

You need to get close to someone to hurt/kill with a blunt instrument.

You can kill from a distance with a gun, and several people in the space of seconds.

I dont know why gun advocates have to hammer this point home that knives are equally as dangerous, when they are not, and there is statistical evidence to back this up.

We are not measuring the lethality of different objects. The point is that idiots will still committ these types of events guns or no guns! banning guns will not stop homocides, assaults or crime in general! In fact...an armed citizen could have just as easily stopped this attack.

[Shol'va]

You need to get close to someone to hurt/kill with a blunt instrument.

You can kill from a distance with a gun, and several people in the space of seconds.

I dont know why gun advocates have to hammer this point home that knives are equally as dangerous, when they are not, and there is statistical evidence to back this up.

Because the point is if a person is going to go on a killing spree it doesn't matter whether he uses guns or knives or car or bombs, we cannot stop his madness. Take for instance this latest instance. You stated he has to get close to use a knife. Well this kid stabbed 14 people up close with one knife on his killing spree and his quest was to kill as many as he could. So it is just insane to go after guns when everyone knows this will not solve our problem of crazies running loose in America wanting to kill.

[Shol'va]

And I'm not even a gun advocate. I don't own any guns either. Flagg we have a lot of issues with mental health that needs to be addressed. Maybe then we can get a handle on the real issues at hand.

[spywizard]

And I'm not even a gun advocate. I don't own any guns either. Flagg we have a lot of issues with mental health that needs to be addressed. Maybe then we can get a handle on the real issues at hand.

exactly, increase the burden on law abiding citizens makes no sense at all...

and stats can always be manipulated..

check out murder (not including gang activity) and you'll see that more people die from knife and sharp items than handguns..

case in point..

Discussion

"The overwhelming majority of people who shoot to kill are not convicted felons; in fact, most would be considered law-abiding citizens prior to their pulling the trigger."
--- Webster, Daniel W., C. Patrick Chaulk, Stephen P. Teret, and Garen J. Wintemute. "Reducing Firearm Injuries." Issues in Science and Technology. Spring 1991, p.73.

Although the first part of the claim of Webster et al. is probably correct (Kleck and Bordua conservatively estimate that 25% of homicide offenders have prior felony convictions. [Kleck, Gary and David J. Bordua. 1983. The factual foundations for certain key assumptions of gun control. Law and Policy Quarterly 5. p. 293.]), their conclusion that most homicide offenders "would be considered law-abiding citizens prior to their pulling the trigger" is not. More on that shortly, but first let's consider another, lengthier pronouncement:

"The primary legitimate substantive argument cited to oppose further gun regulations is that such regulations will only make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to obtain weapons, especially for purposes of self-defense, whereas criminals will continue to gain access to weapons regardless of the law. . . . "This assertion contains within it one fallacy -- that one can readily differentiate between 'good guys' and 'bad guys'; stated differently, the assumption is that guns in the hands of good guys are good, whereas guns in the hands of bad guys are bad. . . .
"Yet the statistics on gun-related deaths discussed in chapter 3 make clear that this Hollywood-cultivated dichotomy bears little relation to reality for most gun-related homicides, in that many homicides are the result of impulsive actions taken by individuals who have little or no criminal background and who are known to the victims. According to the government's Uniform Crime Reports from 1991, almost half of all murders that year (two-thirds of which were committed with guns) were committed by an acquaintance or relative of the victim. More than a quarter of all women murdered were killed by boy friends or husbands. Arguments precipitated 32 percent of all murders. Only 21 percent of murders resulted from the commission fo felonies such as arson, robbery, and the like. . . .
"The good guy-bad guy myth thus evaporates when most murders are examined (emphasis added)."
--- Spitzer, Robert J. 1995. The Politics of Gun Control. Chatham, NJ: Chatham House. Pp. 185-186.

Spitzer states and cites irrelevant and misleading facts in an attempt to suppport the claim that most murderers are previously law-abiding citizens. As Eugene Volokh explains, "criminals have relatives, friends, and acquaintances, too (and of course 'acquaintance' can describe many sorts of acquaintances -- drug dealers are acquainted with their customers, gang members are acquainted with their rivals, and prostitutes are acquainted with their patrons). Yes, if you are acquainted with lots of criminals, you might fall victim to an acquaintance murder by one of those criminals. On the other hand, if most of your acquaintances are law-abiding people who don't have an arrest record, then you'd probably be a lot safer (source)."
Although such information is seldom available, one survey (pdf) (Table 33, Figure 69, p. 124) found that assault victims with criminal histories knew the suspect almost twice as often as victims having no criminal history (73% vs. 39%).
Sptizer also states that "More than a quarter of all women murdered were killed by boy friends or husbands." Although it's true that the majority of offenders in intimate realtionship killings do not have a criminal record, as we'll see later, the overwhelming majority of men who kill women in these relationships, do have previous histories of battering.

[spywizard]

actually i read more of that study and it's focus is more on women being killed and it all really comes down to what point you are attempting to support..

thus, statistics are crap..

[lovbyts]

I want to see Obama on TV pushing to have this done. I mean hell gun violence is down 50% in the last 20 years but knife attacks are up so of course he will focus on this, right?

[austinite]

Can someone please tell me what "Knifes" are?

[Lunk1]

Can someone please tell me what "Knifes" are?

Ebonics for knives

[austinite]

Ah. Ok. I shall stab those who ban knives!

jk. I'm friendly.

[Vettester]

And I'm not even a gun advocate. I don't own any guns either. Flagg we have a lot of issues with mental health that needs to be addressed. Maybe then we can get a handle on the real issues at hand.

It would be great if we could get a handle on it, I sincerely feel that way, BUT we won't. The reality is it's just going to get worse. The element of the leadership model has gradually eroded within our Government, our society, and at the household level. Again, it is only starting to ramp up!

Cali is cutting LEOs, and everyone is letting prisoners out of jail early. This week is my first road trip with my newly added Kahr PM9. Just not going to settle to be a statistic

[wmaousley]

This is why ppl should carry concealed lol

Thats the most beautiful statement, BTW do you carry SIG P226?

[lovbyts]

This is why ppl should carry concealed lol

Nothing like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Thats the most beautiful statement, BTW do you carry SIG P226?

I like the Sig and may get one but for now only my Glock and wife has a luger .380

[ChiveOn]

This is why ppl should carry concealed lol

Sucks being in the one state in the US that doesn't allow concel and carry... What good does it do me if I get mugged. Oh wait, please follow me home so I can grab my gun...

Ban knives? How about never leave home without one in my pocket and two in my truck.

[Flagg]

And I'm not even a gun advocate. I don't own any guns either. Flagg we have a lot of issues with mental health that needs to be addressed. Maybe then we can get a handle on the real issues at hand.

Well I think this is actually the key issue.

If the Governments of the West can determine when uncover islamic cells are about to make a terrorist strike, they should be able to see if someone is going to go off the rails. I know some may think that is moving into Big Brother territory but 2nd Amendment or not, you cannot deny that gun crime is a problem.

Think how much more damage this guy would have done with a handgun and a few clips instead.

[lovbyts]

Well I think this is actually the key issue.

If the Governments of the West can determine when uncover islamic cells are about to make a terrorist strike, they should be able to see if someone is going to go off the rails. I know some may think that is moving into Big Brother territory but 2nd Amendment or not, you cannot deny that gun crime is a problem.

Think how much more damage this guy would have done with a handgun and a few clips instead.

It doesnt have to have anything to do with big brother. Right now you can not have a family member, spouse, friend or anyone committed until they have hurt therm-self or someone else.

[moseley2004]

Yep with our elected officials now about to vote on banning guns cause they kill people, well now add knives to the list. And guess what? Wait till someone mows down people with a car. Then by their own train of thought in Washington they will have to ban all cars and trucks from America. Man we have some stupid elected people representing us. I just wish they'd grab hold of their ears and pull their heads out of their azz. Guns aren't even close to the issue at hand. Evil crazy people are. And if they think they can stop them by simply banning guns, then they too are crazy. IMO

For the first part about them being elected! You guys elected them. End of the day that's what ends up happening. No matter who is elected people will always complain about one thing or the other

[spywizard]

here is interesting info..

For example, though Norway has far and away the highest firearm ownership per capita in Western Europe, it nevertheless has the lowest murder rate. Other nations with high firearms ownership and comparably low murder rates include Denmark, Greece, Switzerland, Germany and Austria. Holland has a 50 percent higher murder rate despite having the lowest rate of firearm ownership in Europe. And Luxembourg, despite its total handgun ban, has a murder rate that is nine times higher than countries such as Norway and Austria.

[spywizard]

In russia..

In the rare case in which gun bans work, murderers use other weapons. Eight decades of police-state enforcement of handgun prohibition have kept Russian gun ownership low, resulting in few gun murders. Yet Russia's murder rates have long been four times higher than those in the U.S. and 20 times higher than rates in countries such as Norway. Former Soviet nations like Lithuania also ban handguns and severely restrict other guns, yet have 10-15 times higher murder rates than European nations with much higher gun ownership.

[Honkey_Kong]

McVeigh blew up a federal building using diesel fuel and fertilizer. Why don't we ban gardening and gas stations?

[Lunk1]

Thats the most beautiful statement, BTW do you carry SIG P226?

While I do like the Sig..I carry a Glock 22C. The Sig is famous for fail to function issues. The tolerances are nice and tight making it intrinsically more acurate but not as reliable.

[lovbyts]

While I do like the Sig..I carry a Glock 22C. The Sig is famous for fail to function issues. The tolerances are nice and tight making it intrinsically more acurate but not as reliable.

Nice, I may like you yet. I use to carry a Glock 19, 2nd wife bought it for me as a birthday present but now I have a Glock 22 also.

[Flagg]

McVeigh blew up a federal building using diesel fuel and fertilizer. Why don't we ban gardening and gas stations?

Because that isnt happening on a daily basis..

[Lunk1]

Nice, I may like you yet. I use to carry a Glock 19, 2nd wife bought it for me as a birthday present but now I have a Glock 22 also.

Over 80% of LE carry's Glock...there is a reason. Don't get me wrong..I love Sigs,HK, newer Kel-Tecs and a few others but if I have to count on it to save my life......GLOCK!

[--->>405<<---]

Banning guns is about as effective as an impotent penis in a land with no viagra..

[AD]

Banning guns is about as effective as an impotent penis in a land with no viagra..

I agree.

Or we can ban murder by whatever method, be it knife or gun or poison. We can make murder illegal so it wont ever happen. Lol. Already done, and didnt work.

[Metalject]

Glenn Beck said it best, the most important question we need to ask is was it a semi-automatic knife or fully automatic? Secondly, how many knives should we legally be allowed to own? Are two knives enough? If someone owns five knives can we assume they have ill-intent in mind? I mean who actually needs more than two knives? Another important question, was the knife black? This is important because black knives are assault knives and shouldn't be used by every day people.

[RaginCajun]

Because that isnt happening on a daily basis..

And neither is mass shootings!

[RaginCajun]

Banning guns is about as effective as an impotent penis in a land with no viagra..

Hahahaha!

[songdog]

You need to get close to someone to hurt/kill with a blunt instrument.

You can kill from a distance with a gun, and several people in the space of seconds.

I dont know why gun advocates have to hammer this point home that knives are equally as dangerous, when they are not, and there is statistical evidence to back this up.

Stats dont mean sh1t.Knifes dont make noise.And if you know wat you are doing.Your victim wont either.

[oatmeal69]

I dont know why gun advocates have to hammer this point home that knives are equally as dangerous, when they are not, and there is statistical evidence to back this up.

There are FAR more murders and violent crimes committed with knives and blunt objects than with guns.

2nd Amendment or not, you cannot deny that gun crime is a problem.

I love how people such as yourself seem to think that amendments such as the Second seem to be expendable and arbitrary, yet others like the First are written in stone. Hypocrite.

Think how much more damage this guy would have done with a handgun and a few clips instead.

He wouldn't, and didn't because laws which are ALREADY on the books were enforced - i.e. people with mental issues are ALREADY banned from having firearms. If the a-holes in Sandy Hook, or Aurora had just followed the multitude of laws already out there we wouldn't have had those shootings happen either according to your logic. Except, that criminals, BY DEFINITION, don't follow laws.

Because that isnt happening on a daily basis..

And mass shootings by mental defectives are??

Over 80% of LE carry's Glock...there is a reason. Don't get me wrong..I love Sigs,HK, newer Kel-Tecs and a few others but if I have to count on it to save my life......GLOCK!

Kimber FTW.