Testosterone levels

[stackedbro]

I just got my bloodwork done, as I do every six months just to see how everything's going. I'm 22 all natural 5'8 175 lbs 7-8%. My testosterone has dropped by 200ng/dl since 6 months ago. And I have trained cosistantly since, 6 days a week lifting. Not sure if it's because I drank alcohol a couple days prior even though it was minimal or it's because my testosterone is already starting to decline. Because it's very hard to make gains this past year.

[stackedbro]

This plateau I have been at has really made me want to jump on something. Because I'm putting all this effort into growing with working my ass off in the gym and cooking in the kitchen without any progress. Let me know your guyss thoughts

[Euroholic]

Post your befre and after levels. How do you feel? Do you feel like your tedt is lower? Are you tired alot more? Maybe get a re test because labs can make mistakes.

[stackedbro]

990 to 750. i don't feel any significant difference. Energy and libido are extremely high still. Actually it's a 240 difference.

[chi]

990 to 750. i don't feel any significant difference. Energy and libido are extremely high still. Actually it's a 240 difference.

there are a ton of factors that could of brought down your test level even though it is well in the normal range. Drinking lowers test for sure, stress, lack of rest, and the list goes on...

[stackedbro]

there are a ton of factors that could of brought down your test level even though it is well in the normal range. Drinking lowers test for sure, stress, lack of rest, and the list goes on...

Yea that's true but I feel like most external factors have been consistent. But I realize there could be smaller things that factor such as I did legs the previous day vs taking the previus day off. But I was just concerned because this is probably going to be my last bloodwork done as I will be starting my cycle in a month.

[Euroholic]

Yea that's true but I feel like most external factors have been consistent. But I realize there could be smaller things that factor such as I did legs the previous day vs taking the previus day off. But I was just concerned because this is probably going to be my last bloodwork done as I will be starting my cycle in a month.

Reconsider that cycle im 24 and starting to get ed i think i may have ****ed my endoctrine system

[tigerspawn]

Yea that's true but I feel like most external factors have been consistent. But I realize there could be smaller things that factor such as I did legs the previous day vs taking the previus day off. But I was just concerned because this is probably going to be my last bloodwork done as I will be starting my cycle in a month.

Working out prior to having your levels checked will drop test levels. However, working out the day before would not cause levels to be decreased the following day.

[stackedbro]

Reconsider that cycle im 24 and starting to get ed i think i may have ****ed my endoctrine system

Your starting to get Ed? I talked with 4 doctors and all have said my endocrine is fully developed though. My growthplates have been closed for years

[stackedbro]

Working out prior to having your levels checked will drop test levels. However, working out the day before would not cause levels to be decreased the following day.

Yes exactly. So would it be safe to say that my testosterone levels have already peaked and now it will most likely stay and slowly decline

[Bonaparte]

You're fine.
And please post a pic, as I'm skeptical of those stats (no offense).

[gearbox]

I would like a pics also...
Your basing to.much information off your gains. If you are what you say.you are then you.achieved a great.deal for only 22. It's getting.harder to make gains cause thats what happens as you gain muscle. First 10 20 sometimes 30 pounds are easy then you hit a brink.wall.and gotta push through

[austinite]

What's so hard to believe about those stats? BF might be off a bit but those stats aren't crazy.

[Hulking2016]

990 to 750. i don't feel any significant difference. Energy and libido are extremely high still. Actually it's a 240 difference.

990 is that considered low? And we're did you get your test done and how much did it cost?

[Hulking2016]

there are a ton of factors that could of brought down your test level even though it is well in the normal range. Drinking lowers test for sure, stress, lack of rest, and the list goes on...

Can stress greatly effect test levels because I thought only diet and sleep affected it

[Java Man]

990 is that considered low? And we're did you get your test done and how much did it cost?

it depends on the range scale which various lab to lab. I've not seen any scale.where a standard test of 990 is low but I'm hardly an expert not being a medical professional. I've seen many other peoples labs as well as my own over the.years though.

[Java Man]

Can stress greatly effect test levels because I thought only diet and sleep affected it

Yes stress is also a factor

[tigerspawn]

What's so hard to believe about those stats? BF might be off a bit but those stats aren't crazy.

I agree. BF% is only thing that I question

[stackedbro]

You're fine.
And please post a pic, as I'm skeptical of those stats (no offense).

I've been bulking so I've increased bf slightly more than normal

[stackedbro]

I would like a pics also...
Your basing to.much information off your gains. If you are what you say.you are then you.achieved a great.deal for only 22. It's getting.harder to make gains cause thats what happens as you gain muscle. First 10 20 sometimes 30 pounds are easy then you hit a brink.wall.and gotta push through

Yes I hit a brick wall. And based on the test I am declining in testosterone levels, so this makes me want to take some thing. Also I will rebound better than someone older at this age. I just want to do one cycle to get a good foundation. I want to be 190 with the same bf

[stackedbro]

990 is that considered low? And we're did you get your test done and how much did it cost?

I got it done from my doctor. No 990 is considered high... It was free.

[stackedbro]

Can stress greatly effect test levels because I thought only diet and sleep affected it

Yes stress increases your hormone cortisol drastically. Working out releases alot of cortisol as well.

[stackedbro]

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I've been bulking so I've increased bf slightly more than normal

There's another picture as well

[gixxerboy1]

Yes I hit a brick wall. And based on the test I am declining in testosterone levels, so this makes me want to take some thing. Also I will rebound better than someone older at this age. I just want to do one cycle to get a good foundation. I want to be 190 with the same bf

i would not say you are declining. The test tells you what you are at that one specific moment in time. You levels fluctuate naturally and by external factors. You could go for a test tomorrow and be 1040.

[stackedbro]

i would not say you are declining. The test tells you what you are at that one specific moment in time. You levels fluctuate naturally and by external factors. You could go for a test tomorrow and be 1040.

Yea I understand that. So my question is when would you say it's ok as far as minimal damage to your body to start using exogenous testosterone. Age doesn't make sense to me. So I've been doing blood work every six months and this is the first time it has actually been lower than the previus test.

[gixxerboy1]

Yea I understand that. So my question is when would you say it's ok as far as minimal damage to your body to start using exogenous testosterone. Age doesn't make sense to me. So I've been doing blood work every six months and this is the first time it has actually been lower than the previus test.

Age, would be part of the decision, blood work and what my stats are, i wouldn't use 1 thing to make the decision. I would use all three to make an informed choice.

[stackedbro]

Age, would be part of the decision, blood work and what my stats are, i wouldn't use 1 thing to make the decision. I would use all three to make an informed choice.

Ok well I feel like it's time for me. I just don't understand why people always say wait till 25. Only online have I read that. Most users I have talked to say in my situation it is ok

[gixxerboy1]

Ok well I feel like it's time for me. I just don't understand why people always say wait till 25. Only online have I read that. Most users I have talked to say in my situation it is ok

And these users have what kind of experience, education, or done some kind of research. I know ton of users who know very little about steriod use and effects. They know what to inject but really lack the understanding on how they work.
Where some of these people online have done research, have medical back grounds, read studies and take time to write the stuff your reading to wait.

[gixxerboy1]

Ok well I feel like it's time for me. I just don't understand why people always say wait till 25. Only online have I read that. Most users I have talked to say in my situation it is ok

And what's your situation? You had blood work that came back perfectly fine but just happened to be lower then your last test?

[JAB1]

Either way looking good man, nice work. Your stomach is a bit tighter than mine was when I was at 9.5% bf so id say bf estimate isnt far off. As far as test levels go yours still seem on the high side of normal if im not mistaken.

[gearbox]

Props for one of the first ppl to actually have correct stats.

[gearbox]

I would not jump to the dark side for one cycle. You could mess up your natty test for life. The risk is low but its still there

[stackedbro]

And what's your situation? You had blood work that came back perfectly fine but just happened to be lower then your last test?

Exactly. Because I know at 25 my levels will still be in the "normal" range. So I just don't think there will be much difference from now and 3 years from now as far as my physiology.

[stackedbro]

Either way looking good man, nice work. Your stomach is a bit tighter than mine was when I was at 9.5% bf so id say bf estimate isnt far off. As far as test levels go yours still seem on the high side of normal if im not mistaken.

Yes I am on the higher side which makes me feel as if rebounding would be easier for me compared to someone with lower testosterone serum count.

[stackedbro]

I would not jump to the dark side for one cycle. You could mess up your natty test for life. The risk is low but its still there

There always is a risk, but I'm trying to minimize it at all costs. And I don't see the difference in waiting 3 years

[gearbox]

There always is a risk, but I'm trying to minimize it at all costs. And I don't see the difference in waiting 3 years

25 is a good rule of thumb unless you plan on being a bb for life. And expect trt.
If you do not mind pain and are going to cycle I would so a short blast so your not shut down as long.
Like prop
Hcg
Ai
Pct
Clomid
Nolva

[stackedbro]

25 is a good rule of thumb unless you plan on being a bb for life. And expect trt.
If you do not mind pain and are going to cycle I would so a short blast so your not shut down as long.
Like prop
Hcg
Ai
Pct
Clomid
Nolva

Damn I actually already have all my needles arimidex nolvadex clomid and 2 vials of test enethate. I was gonna run it for 12 weeks. So you wouldn't reccomend what people usually say at a beginner cycle?

[gearbox]

Damn I actually already have all my needles arimidex nolvadex clomid and 2 vials of test enethate. I was gonna run it for 12 weeks. So you wouldn't reccomend what people usually say at a beginner cycle?

Prop hurts is why it's not recommended. I would get some props and some HCG. You can run the prop the last two and a half weeks at the end of your test e cycle. And you can begin PCT 3.5 days after last pin of prop rather than two weeks on test e. The quicker you begin PCT you're supposed to hold on to games better. Obviously diet and training play a big part also.
You need hcg bro!

[stackedbro]

Prop hurts is why it's not recommended. I would get some props and some HCG. You can run the prop the last two and a half weeks at the end of your test e cycle. And you can begin PCT 3.5 days after last pin of prop rather than two weeks on test e. The quicker you begin PCT you're supposed to hold on to games better. Obviously diet and training play a big part also.
You need hcg bro!

Yea. Well honestly I already have ally gear ready for a test e cycle. But I really don't mind the pain, but I don't understand why everyone says go enathate. But what would gains for a 12 week cycle of enathate be equivalent for a test prop cycle. Also I didn't have access to hcg which is why i don't have it and wasn't planning on using it in my cycle. Also I didn't want to have to pin more than I already was especially since I new to this. I don't want to mix e and prop I would stick to one.

[gixxerboy1]

Yes I am on the higher side which makes me feel as if rebounding would be easier for me compared to someone with lower testosterone serum count.

being on the high side has no effect on how you recover, you shut your system down no matter what your starting point. The reason people use 25 as a rule of thumb is that is around the age your fully developed, so you have less chance of damageing it and recovering better