Depression

**Rwy** · 05-28-2013, 11:06 PM

Anyone deal with it personally or family members???

I have asked before but gotten very minimal to no responses figured I would try again with newer members here.

**austinite** · 05-28-2013, 11:07 PM

Depends on the severity of depression you're referring to. There really isn't anyone on earth that does not experience some sort of depression.

**Euroholic** · 05-28-2013, 11:09 PM

I get it from time to time best thing to do is just man up and move on. Think about the 60000 casualties on the first day of the battle of the somme things can be a lot worse than your problems.

**Rwy** · 05-28-2013, 11:26 PM

The type that doesnt leave their bedroom for 4 months

Someone that def needs a intervention. Not for me. I am very happy

**Tnatious** · 05-28-2013, 11:38 PM

Yes. I agree with what Austin said about everyone at I e poi t or another suffers "depression/down slides"! I just started my HRT program while goi g through so e of the worst times in my life! I have flu d that once u get ur levels heading I. The right direction there comes a time to "man up"!
Man I've started tapering my Effexor a pill used for "depression/anxiety" and have moved to "low dose Lithium Orotate 5 mg 2x daily" and has been WONDERFUL! I'm not saying u should try it but maybe...u should try it!

**panntastic** · 05-29-2013, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by Rwy

The type that doesnt leave their bedroom for 4 months

Someone that def needs a intervention. Not for me. I am very happy

Yes I know what your on about
Not myself but a person very close to my heart.
Was it you with the brother who never left his room?

**tigerspawn** · 05-29-2013, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Rwy

Anyone deal with it personally or family members??? I have asked before but gotten very minimal to no responses figured I would try again with newer members here.

Every time I go to work I get the opportunity to help individuals cope with depression.

AD · 05-29-2013, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Rwy

The type that doesnt leave their bedroom for 4 months

Someone that def needs a intervention. Not for me. I am very happy

if its severe enough, better get on some meds. talking and counseling only works for very mild cases.

**Java Man** · 05-29-2013, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Tnatious

Yes. I agree with what Austin said about everyone at I e poi t or another suffers "depression/down slides"! I just started my HRT program while goi g through so e of the worst times in my life! I have flu d that once u get ur levels heading I. The right direction there comes a time to "man up"!
Man I've started tapering my Effexor a pill used for "depression/anxiety" and have moved to "low dose Lithium Orotate 5 mg 2x daily" and has been WONDERFULly! I'm not saying u should try it but maybe...u should try it!

I was on effexor for about a year. It worked ok but 2 problems:
1. Getting off of it sent my brain into 'vertigo flashes'. Feels like you can feel your brain floating in it's cerebrospinal fluid. I know that.sounds crazy but it's a known and documented withdrawal symptom. Very disorienting and uncomfortable.

2. Now that I'm off of it I realize it didn't just suppress the depression. It dulled all of my emotions.

The best advice I can give as someone who had major, debilitating depression is to get meds of you need them to keep your job, relationships, etc. but as soon as you feel youre ready ask your dr to taper you off.

**crazy mike** · 05-29-2013, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by Rwy

Anyone deal with it personally or family members???

I have asked before but gotten very minimal to no responses figured I would try again with newer members here.

Hi Crazy mike here , I am Bi-Polar 1 and until a few years aga a dangerous case. most with mania. I have sufferes tremendous depression years back. Depression of what you described need therapy, and most likely some medication. Medication has to be monitored to get the right one and the right dosage. It can help and get someone right back on there fee in a month or so. Therapy goes hand n hand in the beginning. Someone becoming a recluse should be helped with some intervention and a doctor for what I said. ...crazy mike

**Pittsburgh412** · 05-29-2013, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Rwy

Anyone deal with it personally or family members???

I have asked before but gotten very minimal to no responses figured I would try again with newer members here.

I was prescribed welbutrin 200mg ED for over 12 years.
Although I stopped taking it 2 months ago (yes cold turkey...) I haven't noticed any more depression

**chi** · 05-29-2013, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Rwy

Anyone deal with it personally or family members???

I have asked before but gotten very minimal to no responses figured I would try again with newer members here.

I have suffered with debilitating depression and anxiety and do not wish it on my worse enemies. It is not something that you can "just man up and get over" nothing makes you happy, you feel people are judging you and criticizing you at any and every moment, and you do not want interaction of any kind you just want to hide at home in your own personal sanctuary for fear of it getting worse. It is very hard to describe but it is crippling and will ruin anything that is good in your life.

The problem is it is extremely difficult to help someone who is not willing to be helped. I could not stand it and wanted to feel better at whatever cost.

Originally Posted by Java Man

I was on effexor for about a year. It worked ok but 2 problems:
1. Getting off of it sent my brain into 'vertigo flashes'. Feels like you can feel your brain floating in it's cerebrospinal fluid. I know that.sounds crazy but it's a known and documented withdrawal symptom. Very disorienting and uncomfortable.

2. Now that I'm off of it I realize it didn't just suppress the depression. It dulled all of my emotions.

The best advice I can give as someone who had major, debilitating depression is to get meds of you need them to keep your job, relationships, etc. but as soon as you feel youre ready ask your dr to taper you off.

Java this happened to me with lexapro I felt like I had no emotions whatsoever and some nasty side effects while on like sever cramping and muscle pains. I said forget it and got off of it which was the best thing I could do. My doctor was cool with it as long as felt good.

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Hi Crazy mike here , I am Bi-Polar 1 and until a few years aga a dangerous case. most with mania. I have sufferes tremendous depression years back. Depression of what you described need therapy, and most likely some medication. Medication has to be monitored to get the right one and the right dosage. It can help and get someone right back on there fee in a month or so. Therapy goes hand n hand in the beginning. Someone becoming a recluse should be helped with some intervention and a doctor for what I said. ...crazy mike

Good advice CM and I am glad you are here with us you are quite the character and always bring a smile to my face when I see you post buddy

**Rwy** · 05-29-2013, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by panntastic

Yes I know what your on about
Not myself but a person very close to my heart.
Was it you with the brother who never left his room?

Yea and my parents enable him by paying for everything on top of it. For a long time I have been the only one speaking up but my brothers have started also. My parents are in complete denial. My father is ignorant and sweeps it under the rug.

We started looking into depression centers. Almost like rehab for drug addicts but for depression. Was curious if anyone knew of anyone that has been or gone. Its terrible to see what my brother is going through.

**panntastic** · 05-29-2013, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Rwy

Yea and my parents enable him by paying for everything on top of it. For a long time I have been the only one speaking up but my brothers have started also. My parents are in complete denial. My father is ignorant and sweeps it under the rug.

We started looking into depression centers. Almost like rehab for drug addicts but for depression. Was curious if anyone knew of anyone that has been or gone. Its terrible to see what my brother is going through.

I remember that thread pretty well
I'm surprised you've let it go on this long to be honest mate
It must be so hard

AD · 05-29-2013, 08:55 AM

If you can find a centre with a vacancy, i suggest you send him. Anything is better than him hibernating in that room. If you dont break the cycle, he may spiral downwards and get worse.

**Rwy** · 05-29-2013, 09:02 AM

I def dont think he should be put on medication but only after speaking to someone for awhile. I think it could make things worse at first. Its sad my brother is 32 lives at home has no success at anything in life. He has screwed all of us over. He has a leg and back injury right now from basically laying in his bedroom rather then doing anything productive. He has never had many friends. It took us some time to not be angry with him. We all understand how difficult it is dealing with depression. I have read some people think addiction is easier to deal with.

I personally think its more then depression. I dont think he is bi polar because he never ever has highs. He has always had social issues and some times I wonder if he has a slight aspergers tick. My one brother thinks he has some sociopathic tendencies. The manipulating and constant lying. You can never believe a word out of his mouth.

My other brother is getting married in September and there is no way my brother with depression is going to be able to handle it. Its crazy we are making a last attempt to et him help and my father always blocks it. He is in serious denial and is just so ****ing ignorant.

We have decided that if my parents dont move on this then we are going to tell them that our relationship is over with them until they get their head out of their ass. We understand you cannot make anyone get help but we feel with them paying for everything they can shake things up in his life to make it uncomfortable.

Really difficult situation

**Rwy** · 05-29-2013, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by panntastic

I remember that thread pretty well
I'm surprised you've let it go on this long to be honest mate
It must be so hard

My brothers were not backing me up. I have been fighting with my parents for months and it has really affected our relationship. I really have had no moves. Its super frustrating because my parents are so blind.

**stpete** · 05-31-2013, 12:00 AM

Ironic you ask. My brother(best friend), and my wife have asked me to get help. I think i need to talk to someone but i'm just mostly angry. My brother told me a year ago and my wife about 3 months ago. I refused to seek help cause i've been in a coma and all kinds of crazy shit in the last year and a half. So i thought people could understand that i'm not really down w/any of that right now.

But just tonight my wife (1,000 miles away from me) convinced me to do so. I made the phone call and should be hearing something tomorrow. I don't really want any drugs. I'd prefer just to talk to someone like i do in AA. But on a much more private level. I'm hoping that will help.

I'll keep you posted but i've heard a lot of crazy stuff on those anti depression pills. Maybe MI can chime in and help on the subject. I don't know about em.

AD · 05-31-2013, 12:45 AM

Pete, doing something is always better than doing nothing. talking to someone may not make all the problems magically disappear, but people definitely cope better when they have someone to talk to.

drugs, in all aspects, follow the same general rule. there are bound to be sides, some mild, some severe, some rare, some common. the trick is to see if the benefits can outweigh the sides. if someone refuses medicine, what is his current situation? and how much is he expected to deteriorate without meds? if his current situation is dire, than any possible sides would seem less significant in comparison.

**chi** · 05-31-2013, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Rwy

I def dont think he should be put on medication but only after speaking to someone for awhile. I think it could make things worse at first. Its sad my brother is 32 lives at home has no success at anything in life. He has screwed all of us over. He has a leg and back injury right now from basically laying in his bedroom rather then doing anything productive. He has never had many friends. It took us some time to not be angry with him. We all understand how difficult it is dealing with depression. I have read some people think addiction is easier to deal with.

I personally think its more then depression. I dont think he is bi polar because he never ever has highs. He has always had social issues and some times I wonder if he has a slight aspergers tick. My one brother thinks he has some sociopathic tendencies. The manipulating and constant lying. You can never believe a word out of his mouth.

My other brother is getting married in September and there is no way my brother with depression is going to be able to handle it. Its crazy we are making a last attempt to et him help and my father always blocks it. He is in serious denial and is just so ****ing ignorant.

We have decided that if my parents dont move on this then we are going to tell them that our relationship is over with them until they get their head out of their ass. We understand you cannot make anyone get help but we feel with them paying for everything they can shake things up in his life to make it uncomfortable.

Really difficult situation

That is very smart!!!

Originally Posted by stpete

Ironic you ask. My brother(best friend), and my wife have asked me to get help. I think i need to talk to someone but i'm just mostly angry. My brother told me a year ago and my wife about 3 months ago. I refused to seek help cause i've been in a coma and all kinds of crazy shit in the last year and a half. So i thought people could understand that i'm not really down w/any of that right now.

But just tonight my wife (1,000 miles away from me) convinced me to do so. I made the phone call and should be hearing something tomorrow. I don't really want any drugs. I'd prefer just to talk to someone like i do in AA. But on a much more private level. I'm hoping that will help.

I'll keep you posted but i've heard a lot of crazy stuff on those anti depression pills. Maybe MI can chime in and help on the subject. I don't know about em.

Stpete I hope you are able to find the help that you need and get to a better place. It is already progress when you feel that you should get the help.

**Rwy** · 05-31-2013, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by stpete

Ironic you ask. My brother(best friend), and my wife have asked me to get help. I think i need to talk to someone but i'm just mostly angry. My brother told me a year ago and my wife about 3 months ago. I refused to seek help cause i've been in a coma and all kinds of crazy shit in the last year and a half. So i thought people could understand that i'm not really down w/any of that right now.

But just tonight my wife (1,000 miles away from me) convinced me to do so. I made the phone call and should be hearing something tomorrow. I don't really want any drugs. I'd prefer just to talk to someone like i do in AA. But on a much more private level. I'm hoping that will help.

I'll keep you posted but i've heard a lot of crazy stuff on those anti depression pills. Maybe MI can chime in and help on the subject. I don't know about em.

I speak to a therapist. I have some anger issues also. A lot of times I only see black and white and over react with emotion and not clear thinking. I honestly dont see anything wrong with it. You lift to improve your body. Why not do the same thing for your mind which is more important.

**Rwy** · 05-31-2013, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by chi

That is very smart!!!

Stpete I hope you are able to find the help that you need and get to a better place. It is already progress when you feel that you should get the help.

The rabbit hole got deeper man. My brother reached out to my father and my father lied about a few things in regards to money. Saying my depressed brother is on unemployment but he is not. I know this because he used to work for my company and I asked if he put in a claim.

Its so crazy that my father is such a big issue

**chi** · 05-31-2013, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Rwy

The rabbit hole got deeper man. My brother reached out to my father and my father lied about a few things in regards to money. Saying my depressed brother is on unemployment but he is not. I know this because he used to work for my company and I asked if he put in a claim.

Its so crazy that my father is such a big issue

It seems your father is too proud and taking this personal like he has guilt over why your brother is like this. I am sure it is not his fault whatsoever but when I first told my dad I was depressed he lashed out at me with anger like it was his fault that he didn't do something right.

**crazy mike** · 05-31-2013, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by stpete

Ironic you ask. My brother(best friend), and my wife have asked me to get help. I think i need to talk to someone but i'm just mostly angry. My brother told me a year ago and my wife about 3 months ago. I refused to seek help cause i've been in a coma and all kinds of crazy shit in the last year and a half. So i thought people could understand that i'm not really down w/any of that right now.

But just tonight my wife (1,000 miles away from me) convinced me to do so. I made the phone call and should be hearing something tomorrow. I don't really want any drugs. I'd prefer just to talk to someone like i do in AA. But on a much more private level. I'm hoping that will help.

I'll keep you posted but i've heard a lot of crazy stuff on those anti depression pills. Maybe MI can chime in and help on the subject. I don't know about em.

Glad to hear you made a call. Ya know the first step. With all due respect stpete I sensed al lot of anger with you so I don't say much. I hope it all starts getting better on a consistent basis for you. Also your marriage , I wish you the best. ...crazy mike

**crazy mike** · 05-31-2013, 08:13 AM

I disagree with... "I def dont think he should be put on medication but only after speaking to someone for awhile. I think it could make things worse at first."... With a doctor's therapy in line, right from the get go, a doc could evaluate the degree of depression and anxiety that comes and a medication (for me, Prozac) can pull someone right off the bottom and get them in a positive mode to accept more counseling and admitting of the problem. Then they can take part in their own recovery of depression. The medication can allow the sufferer the clear headedness to accept the problem. You can be depressed by some outside environmental problem and or you can be depressed because you are just depressed. Then it effects every waking moment of your life. The medication is not a happy pill. But it can in 5 - 10 days make the sufferer whole in spirit. Not so incomplete and longing for, or just a general attitude of wellness, ready to live life on life's terms long before the therapy can start that change in spirit, attitude, demeanor and longing to live. I've been around many, many other people in my days and my hospital, sanitarium and group therapy stays. I share and advise with my experience at hand. ...crazy mike

**Lunk1** · 05-31-2013, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Rwy

The rabbit hole got deeper man. My brother reached out to my father and my father lied about a few things in regards to money. Saying my depressed brother is on unemployment but he is not. I know this because he used to work for my company and I asked if he put in a claim.

Its so crazy that my father is such a big issue

You need to separate him and your father. He is your brothers enabler and will not help but instead keep him down. It's most likely he doesn't realize he is more the cause than the cure.

**RaginCajun** · 05-31-2013, 09:52 AM

Rwy, what does your brother like to do?

Has your brother ever been evaluated by a licensed professional?

When your brother was younger, did he have any ambitions/goals?

**Rwy** · 05-31-2013, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by 00ragincajun00

Rwy, what does your brother like to do?

Has your brother ever been evaluated by a licensed professional?

When your brother was younger, did he have any ambitions/goals?

Dude, I was discussing this today. He really never liked much.
Has never been evaluated but my therapist is starting to get worried that he needs a legitamite evaluation

**Rwy** · 05-31-2013, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

I disagree with... "I def dont think he should be put on medication but only after speaking to someone for awhile. I think it could make things worse at first."... With a doctor's therapy in line, right from the get go, a doc could evaluate the degree of depression and anxiety that comes and a medication (for me, Prozac) can pull someone right off the bottom and get them in a positive mode to accept more counseling and admitting of the problem. Then they can take part in their own recovery of depression. The medication can allow the sufferer the clear headedness to accept the problem. You can be depressed by some outside environmental problem and or you can be depressed because you are just depressed. Then it effects every waking moment of your life. The medication is not a happy pill. But it can in 5 - 10 days make the sufferer whole in spirit. Not so incomplete and longing for, or just a general attitude of wellness, ready to live life on life's terms long before the therapy can start that change in spirit, attitude, demeanor and longing to live. I've been around many, many other people in my days and my hospital, sanitarium and group therapy stays. I share and advise with my experience at hand. ...crazy mike

Thanks Mike. I appreciate the info. Its a tough situation. Everyone has different insight. I just want my brother to get help. I dont understand why its just not that easy. Its like we need to figure out a rubix cube (my father) before we even get on to the real issue

**Rwy** · 05-31-2013, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

You need to separate him and your father. He is your brothers enabler and will not help but instead keep him down. It's most likely he doesn't realize he is more the cause than the cure.

He really is no different then feeding him drugs. He just doesnt see it that way

**Lunk1** · 05-31-2013, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Rwy

He really is no different then feeding him drugs. He just doesnt see it that way

Exactly.

**italianstallion85** · 06-01-2013, 12:05 AM

My dad's side are Italian and all are depressing people I don't know what it is! They have families, wealth, not a care in the world and all they talk about is depressing events, death and dying. Even my dad a lot is beginning to talk and act depressed when there is no need of it. Luckily I'm not like that, I am very carefree and happy-go-lucky! could be genetics or maybe a cerebral issue??