Who has what degree??

[bringndaheat]

Alright I must say their are some really intelligent people on this board. This might have already been asked but who has what degrees?
I'll start Bachelor's in Business and Bachelor's in Arts/communications. A little time in Grad school studying for MBA.

-Heat

[Euroholic]

i never went to college. Degrees don't pay the best

[Euroholic]

Im curious do people with degrees look down on non degree people as common?

[Live for the PUMP]

B.S. in Aeronautics

[Live for the PUMP]

Im curious do people with degrees look down on non degree people as common?

Some do. It's kinda like the rich a-holes who look down on ppl that don't have money. The most successful ppl I know do not have college degrees.

[RaginCajun]

Im curious do people with degrees look down on non degree people as common?

All depends on how you were raised

[bdos]

Im curious do people with degrees look down on non degree people as common?

Lol you work in a big hole in the ground and you call people common

[Euroholic]

Lol you work in a big hole in the ground and you call people common

Nahh im above ground

[bdos]

Nahh im above ground

So your nose is higher lol

[Euroholic]

So your nose is higher lol

Were like milo and otis you and i destroying thread after thread

[Times Roman]

I have three degrees and two highly recognized certifications

Plus I can bench press more than any other fellow accountant I've met.

So you thought all us accountants were skinny shits with greasy hair and no social skills to speak of?

[bringndaheat]

Live the pump thts a very cool degree. Wht did u find to be the hardest course and wht was ur favorite?
As for degrees or not degreed I've meet extremely intelligent people tht don't have a degree.
Alright guys if u had to do it again wht would u do or study?

[Times Roman]

Im curious do people with degrees look down on non degree people as common?

You are not asking the right question mate.

What you should be asking is this....

...do People in the Human Resource's department of companies feel that people with degrees are more employable, and deserve higher salaries, than people that have not bothered to invest their time and money in seeking out and earning a degree?

[Times Roman]

...because I really don't give a shit if you have a degree or not

...unless you want to work for me!

(because, if you want to work for me for other than a clerk position, You better have a degree)

[Euroholic]

Degrees are so overrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Times Roman]

Degrees are so overrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!

little secret?

the only ones that say this are the individuals who do not have degrees.

The reality is those with degrees will command higher salaries than those without degrees.

Why would you want to handicap yourself by not investing in a 4 year degree?

[Euroholic]

little secret?

the only ones that say this are the individuals who do not have degrees.

The reality is those with degrees will command higher salaries than those without degrees.

Why would you want to handicap yourself by not investing in a 4 year degree?

Because i earn 200k a year and my mates who went to uni are on 60-80k why waste 4 years studying when i can work my guts out earning bulk coin?

[Euroholic]

Things might be diffrent in your country but in aus people with out degrees get paid alot more than people that have them. The mining resorce and construction industry pay big dollars

[austinite]

The Beatles, Popular Music and Society (MA) - Liverpool Hope University

[bringndaheat]

^^^the reason u get a degree is two fold Times said it perfectly people in HR hire people wth a higher education. If thts wrong or right it doesn't matter it's a fact of life.
The second reason is to gain knowledge on something u don't know. Thts why I wrote the thread. There are do many intelligent people on here degreed or not. Kind of wanted to know if tht had higher learning in a subject they are responding to in a thread.
As for Times I read ur interview I was impressed! I would have never thought. I've often thought of buying a Harley and just blowing out of town!

[bringndaheat]

Very cool Austin ur truly r a Austinite! How did you ever find tht?

[Times Roman]

Because i earn 200k a year and my mates who went to uni are on 60-80k why waste 4 years studying when i can work my guts out earning bulk coin?

Things might be diffrent in your country but in aus people with out degrees get paid alot more than people that have them. The mining resorce and construction industry pay big dollars

I suspect, but can't confirm at this point, you are not being paid for any special skill set, but more because of the danger element. I may very well be wrong.

I remember seeing a show on "60 minutes" that discussed the huge shortage of labor in some of the mining camps. So I am not totally surprised by what you say.

But...
...and this is a big "but"

your situation is a rare exception.

World wide, those with degrees far exceed earnings than those without degrees. If this were not true, then what incentive would there be for anyone to pursue higher education?

Additionally, when I work in Afghanistan, I make close to $300k/year. And that too is an exception, not the rule for most world wide workers in my profession.

So I have to scratch my head when you look at your personal situation and try to extrapolate that on to the population at large. Because if you were to look for a job doing what you do in the USA, you'd probably make, at most, maybe $40k or so. And if you were to look for a job in mexico/china or elsewhere, doing what you do would barely qualify as minimum wage.

...just saying

[Euroholic]

I suspect, but can't confirm at this point, you are not being paid for any special skill set, but more because of the danger element. I may very well be wrong.

I remember seeing a show on "60 minutes" that discussed the huge shortage of labor in some of the mining camps. So I am not totally surprised by what you say.

But...
...and this is a big "but"

your situation is a rare exception.

World wide, those with degrees far exceed earnings than those without degrees. If this were not true, then what incentive would there be for anyone to pursue higher education?

Additionally, when I work in Afghanistan, I make close to $300k/year. And that too is an exception, not the rule for most world wide workers in my profession.

So I have to scratch my head when you look at your personal situation and try to extrapolate that on to the population at large. Because if you were to look for a job doing what you do in the USA, you'd probably make, at most, maybe $40k or so. And if you were to look for a job in mexico/china or elsewhere, doing what you do would barely qualify as minimum wage.

...just saying

I drive trucks and just do general laboring but yes i guess the wages are high because of the isolation and environment i just thank god every night that im born in aus because i always hated school!!!

[Euroholic]

But its all relitive wages are high in aus but tax is also high. Ill earn 200k but pay 75k in tax and only get like 12k back

[bringndaheat]

^^^truck drivers here in the US make very good money. It's a skill and pays better thn others do to long hours and constantly being away from home. Most people can't handle tht. So the pay is good! Glad ur making tht bank. But I still ask the question.... Wht would u do or study if u had to do it again?

[SexySweetheart]

I have mixed feeling as far as degrees.
some folks just have a talent for certain fields...and hands on training IMO is waaaaay more valuable than a college ed. I will use myself a an example.
I never had any art education beyond 8th grade basics, but anything to do with creativity (decorating to painting) that I want to do, I just do it well. I have no idea what Im doing or the proper techniques or materials I should use but what I see and want others to see will end up on canvas or sculpture or garden regardless. A person with out artistic talent can be taught different mediums for years years but will still be limited to modern or abstract art cuz they simply dont have the talent.
The same with child behavior modification. I just have a knack for reaching kids, fostering positive changes in them and families ~ again no education beyond 11th grade. I just started at the bottom volunteering, and people recognized my results. that went on and I ended up being hired to work for the state. Now though the state has changed and every one must have a BA in BS (lol Bach in Behavioral Science) so I have been in collage... and its utter crap. I have a 3.5 gpa as a ft Psyc student w/ minor in human service while working and volunteering and raising kids all alone (for now). this utter useless dribble is a joke if it were not for math I would be golden (but thats why Im no mathematician)and the only useful application i have gotten so far from it is the ability to now see why unseasoned CPSWs and case workers and shrinks are so damn clueless about kids, family dynamics, and the legal system realities. The young case workers use to piss me and TS off, esp when I would end up doing their work cuz they dont know what to do. now I just pity them. myself even more so, cuz here I am wasting 25 thousand (so far) and wasting my even more valuable time ~ for a waste of paper.
not to mention the incrdably ironic fact that I applied and received "work credit experience" after proving I already knew the material for credits. ...sooo im paying for college cuz my job demands i have a college ed~ but college agrees after my testing that that I have above average comprehension of the maximum amount of classes i can receive credits for from work experience... and i got to pay for each class i applied to test out of ~how effed up is that?

so I guess if a person were to seek employment for a position they have no passion for, basic preliminary understanding of, and no talent for, a degree would necessary. hands on experience is way more valuable and talent even more so.

I would love it if colleges would disappear and jobs would just have a year of apprenticeship than test for basic efficacy, hire if met-fire if not. think of all the money we would save

[Euroholic]

I would study civil engineering!!!!

[Times Roman]

^^^truck drivers here in the US make very good money. It's a skill and pays better thn others do to long hours and constantly being away from home. Most people can't handle tht. So the pay is good! Glad ur making tht bank. But I still ask the question.... Wht would u do or study if u had to do it again?

I'm not convinced mate.

There is a lot of competition for these truck driving jobs you speak of. with NAFTA, there is a huge influx of immigrants from the south that will grab these jobs for a fraction of what others would be willing to do it for.

There is also a huge influx of immigrants from the middle east that are acquiring these jobs. Most immigrants are willing to work for wages lower than those of non immigrants.

the demand for these jobs, primarily because they are very low skilled, is tremendous. And because the supply of these jobs are stable, basic economic theory would tell you that the rate of pay has been dropping relative to the rest of the economy and job market for years.

if you are talking about owner operators, let's think about that too.
this means you have to buy a truck worth a couple of hundred thousand dollars. yes, you can get some good revenue going, but your expenses are very high, and therefore your net profit may not be a profit at all. you have to be a shrewd business man if you are an owner operator, because if you are not paying attention, you can easily get screwed!

[Times Roman]

I have mixed feeling as far as degrees.
some folks just have a talent for certain fields...and hands on training IMO is waaaaay more valuable than a college ed. I will use myself a an example.
I never had any art education beyond 8th grade basics, but anything to do with creativity (decorating to painting) that I want to do, I just do it well. I have no idea what Im doing or the proper techniques or materials I should use but what I see and want others to see will end up on canvas or sculpture or garden regardless. A person with out artistic talent can be taught different mediums for years years but will still be limited to modern or abstract art cuz they simply dont have the talent.
The same with child behavior modification. I just have a knack for reaching kids, fostering positive changes in them and families ~ again no education beyond 11th grade. I just started at the bottom volunteering, and people recognized my results. that went on and I ended up being hired to work for the state. Now though the state has changed and every one must have a BA in BS (lol Bach in Behavioral Science) so I have been in collage... and its utter crap. I have a 3.5 gpa as a ft Psyc student w/ minor in human service while working and volunteering and raising kids all alone (for now). this utter useless dribble is a joke if it were not for math I would be golden (but thats why Im no mathematician)and the only useful application i have gotten so far from it is the ability to now see why unseasoned CPSWs and case workers and shrinks are so damn clueless about kids, family dynamics, and the legal system realities. The young case workers use to piss me and TS off, esp when I would end up doing their work cuz they dont know what to do. now I just pity them. myself even more so, cuz here I am wasting 25 thousand (so far) and wasting my even more valuable time ~ for a waste of paper.
not to mention the incrdably ironic fact that I applied and received "work credit experience" after proving I already knew the material for credits. ...sooo im paying for college cuz my job demands i have a college ed~ but college agrees after my testing that that I have above average comprehension of the maximum amount of classes i can receive credits for from work experience... and i got to pay for each class i applied to test out of ~how effed up is that?

so I guess if a person were to seek employment for a position they have no passion for, basic preliminary understanding of, and no talent for, a degree would necessary. hands on experience is way more valuable and talent even more so.

I would love it if colleges would disappear and jobs would just have a year of apprenticeship than test for basic efficacy, hire if met-fire if not. think of all the money we would save

I have a very serious question I need to ask you...

...when you paint, do the numbers show through?

(sorry, been drinking wine, and I get goofy when I do!)

BUT seriously, some jobs cannot be performed unless the intensive education.

Like mine.

I have a 4 year degree (not too important)

but I also have three years of internship, and over 500 hours of audit time logged in

And I had to pass a two day exam that I had to study for, for an entire year. I logged over 500 hours of study during that time, for an exam with a first time failure rate of over 90% . There is no way of achieving this skill set and performing at this level with just a year of internship.

How would you feel if your doctor only had a two year degree and no internship (like what is common in Afghanistan)

the bottom line is I feel degrees are entirely appropriate in certain professions.

I also believe that in certain professions, degrees are total bullshit and are only required to help eliminate much of the candidate population when hiring entry level positions that are basically blue collar civil servant jobs....

[bringndaheat]

Civil engineering is pretty fascinating. Who came up wth degrees in the first place?! I will have to research! @Sexy I would say u r the exception not the rule! Tht does suck I wil admit but I hope u get something out of this new degree besides higher pay. Down the road u might look back and say yeah I learned tht in ths bullshiat course I had to take. Thts happened to me several times.... Example:
I hated accounting at first. My teacher said to me Heat their are credits and debits in accounting. Just like in life people are a lot like credit and debits. Some people r credits "the people you keep in your life!" and some people are debits "the ones u steer clear of !" I will never forget tht and use it to ths day! Ths forum for example is a credit!

[probuild42]

Associates in Applied science. Tech degree. Took a year of business first. It was too boring when I was right out of HS (and I was to impatient. Looking back wish I would have stayed in school longer)

Agree~ Higher education = better opportunities

[SexySweetheart]

I have a very serious question I need to ask you...

...when you paint, do the numbers show through?

(sorry, been drinking wine, and I get goofy when I do!)

BUT seriously, some jobs cannot be performed unless the intensive education.

Like mine.

I have a 4 year degree (not too important)

but I also have three years of internship, and over 500 hours of audit time logged in

And I had to pass a two day exam that I had to study for, for an entire year. I logged over 500 hours of study during that time, for an exam with a first time failure rate of over 90% . There is no way of achieving this skill set and performing at this level with just a year of internship.

How would you feel if your doctor only had a two year degree and no internship (like what is common in Afghanistan)

the bottom line is I feel degrees are entirely appropriate in certain professions.

I also believe that in certain professions, degrees are total bullshit and are only required to help eliminate much of the candidate population when hiring entry level positions that are basically blue collar civil servant jobs....

cheers ~im drinkin too

good point TR and as much as i dont want to ~ i agree some jobs regardless of skill or talent would require more education ~ although using a DR may not be the best example with me considering all the @ss hats that said HRT for a women under 50 doesnt exist not not mention my hernias I knew I had but I was disregarded untill they cut me open and found 4 lol but I see your point.

so your answer is this... my job for me should require no formal education everyone else should have to spend 40,000.00 + on college lol

[Times Roman]

cheers ~im drinkin too

good point TR and as much as i dont want to ~ i agree some jobs regardless of skill or talent would require more education ~ although using a DR may not be the best example with me considering all the @ss hats that said HRT for a women under 50 doesnt exist not not mention my hernias I knew I had but I was disregarded untill they cut me open and found 4 lol but I see your point.

so your answer is this... my job for me should require no formal education everyone else should have to spend 40,000.00 + on college lol

another glass?

I'm certainly have my last (mostly cause the bottle is now empty)

There are so many careers where I dont' see the point of a degree, other than to make you stand out from the rest of the crowd when it comes to jumping through HR's hurdles.


But stop and think.
Sometimes, not often, but sometimes an individual will earn a degree for no other reason than to improve themselves intellectually. Remember, more than 50% of your degree will be in areas that have nothing to do with your major. The idea is to give you an intellectual foundation that makes you stand out from the rest of the crowd. A degree is supposed to mean something! And quite often, it has more to do with intellectual development than earnings potential. True, we as a society that only measures value in dollars and cents, have a hard time with this concept. But the reality is this academic foundation also makes you a "better person" in that it increases your base of knowledge and forces you to think in ways you may not have otherwise been able to.

We only look at one facet of a degree, and that is earnings potential. But in the world of intellectuals and academia, a degree has value beyond earnings potential. Pretty hard to explain that to a blue collar worker (sorry blue collar workers, not trying to single you out), but it is the truth.


We as a society have an extensive knowledge base, and who, if not the degreed individuals, will be able to carry on this knowledge?

There is value in intelligence and knowledge. And a degree is supposed to represent that.

[ppwc1985]

I'm not convinced mate.

There is a lot of competition for these truck driving jobs you speak of. with NAFTA, there is a huge influx of immigrants from the south that will grab these jobs for a fraction of what others would be willing to do it for.

There is also a huge influx of immigrants from the middle east that are acquiring these jobs. Most immigrants are willing to work for wages lower than those of non immigrants.

the demand for these jobs, primarily because they are very low skilled, is tremendous. And because the supply of these jobs are stable, basic economic theory would tell you that the rate of pay has been dropping relative to the rest of the economy and job market for years.

if you are talking about owner operators, let's think about that too.
this means you have to buy a truck worth a couple of hundred thousand dollars. yes, you can get some good revenue going, but your expenses are very high, and therefore your net profit may not be a profit at all. you have to be a shrewd business man if you are an owner operator, because if you are not paying attention, you can easily get screwed!

I am a truck drive and I'm not an owner op but know a lot of them, I am now working for a company that allows me to be home every night, I make 65 a year. My owner op friends trucks make in between 250000-350000 per truck yearly. After all expenses, fuel, taxes, insurances, and maint. They still clear 150000 year. Those are independent contractors. Now I have a few friends who contract through 1 company, their trucks make 220000 yearly but expenses are higher due to not being independent, but they still clear 85000. I used to own my own flooring business and only worked about 3/4 year and would clear 800000. My mom owned two businesses and quit school in the 7 th grade. I know a lot guys who make great money with no college degree. I been school for 1 year, but I know a lot ppl who go college and don't work in that field. You don't have to have a college degree unless you want to work for someone else cause that's what's going to happen. Much better to own your own business so you don't have to put up with bosses crap. IMO I have know a lot ppl in my 45 years and the ones who have not an once of common sense are usually the ones with college degrees. I think they turn it in when they are handed a diploma. Just my opinion. And as far as immigrants, the Middle East drivers, most of them are owner ops. And from the south they may cross the border but I haven't seen to many who work for American company's. we though after the cross border laws past a couple years ago that is what would happen but it hasn't really affected jobs. There are thousands of driving jobs, but it's not the easiest job, a lot rules and a lot of stress due to a...... On the road and they don't know how to drive around big trucks.

[basketballfan22]

another glass?

I'm certainly have my last (mostly cause the bottle is now empty)

There are so many careers where I dont' see the point of a degree, other than to make you stand out from the rest of the crowd when it comes to jumping through HR's hurdles.


But stop and think.
Sometimes, not often, but sometimes an individual will earn a degree for no other reason than to improve themselves intellectually. Remember, more than 50% of your degree will be in areas that have nothing to do with your major. The idea is to give you an intellectual foundation that makes you stand out from the rest of the crowd. A degree is supposed to mean something! And quite often, it has more to do with intellectual development than earnings potential. True, we as a society that only measures value in dollars and cents, have a hard time with this concept. But the reality is this academic foundation also makes you a "better person" in that it increases your base of knowledge and forces you to think in ways you may not have otherwise been able to.

We only look at one facet of a degree, and that is earnings potential. But in the world of intellectuals and academia, a degree has value beyond earnings potential. Pretty hard to explain that to a blue collar worker (sorry blue collar workers, not trying to single you out), but it is the truth.


We as a society have an extensive knowledge base, and who, if not the degreed individuals, will be able to carry on this knowledge?

There is value in intelligence and knowledge. And a degree is supposed to represent that.

I couldn't agree more with this post. My academic desires have as much, if not more, to do with personal fulfillment than monetary gain. I am not choosing a path that will make me a multi-millionaire (although I wouldn't mind that), but instead am choosing a path that I think will best utilize my intellect. I believe the more educated you are the less likely you will fall for bullshit propaganda. In my opinion the ability to think critically is the most important trait a person can have, and obtaining a solid education will go a long way towards this ability.

[Honkey_Kong]

Being a college graduate doesn't mean that you are intelligent or even have any sort of common sense. However; statistically, people with college degrees make more money than people who didn't graduate/attend.

When you try to use yourself as the proof that you don't need to be educated to be successful, you're really not helping your perspective at all. You're not the rule there, you're the exception as most people without educations AREN'T successful.

For most higher paying jobs, to even get looked at for interview consideration, you need the paper credentials.

And to be honest, college really isn't even difficult to succeed at. It's just a matter of going and getting the work done. You know how many graduates spent the majority of their class time hung over or drunk?

I for one enjoyed my time in college. I didn't go hoping that it'd garner me a high paying job, I went because of interest in my choice field and had an opportunity to study with people in that field that I highly respected and admired. What I learned in my time there, some could argue could be learned outside, but I never would've had that chance.

[basketballfan22]

Being a college graduate doesn't mean that you are intelligent or even have any sort of common sense. However; statistically, people with college degrees make more money than people who didn't graduate/attend.

When you try to use yourself as the proof that you don't need to be educated to be successful, you're really not helping your perspective at all. You're not the rule there, you're the exception as most people without educations AREN'T successful.

For most higher paying jobs, to even get looked at for interview consideration, you need the paper credentials.

And to be honest, college really isn't even difficult to succeed at. It's just a matter of going and getting the work done. You know how many graduates spent the majority of their class time hung over or drunk?

I for one enjoyed my time in college. I didn't go hoping that it'd garner me a high paying job, I went because of interest in my choice field and had an opportunity to study with people in that field that I highly respected and admired. What I learned in my time there, some could argue could be learned outside, but I never would've had that chance.

I think that is highly dependent on one's major and institution he/she attended. Certainly there are many people whom I know that graduated from college that I wouldn't deem intelligent though.

[Honkey_Kong]

I think that is highly dependent on one's major and institution he/she attended. Certainly there are many people whom I know that graduated from college that I wouldn't deem intelligent though.

Even if your major is something like EE. School isn't about being brilliant, it's just about spending the necessary time to get the job done. Anybody willing to take the time can learn how to do calculus or write a paper. Being able to apply that effectively in the real world, that is another story.

There is no shortage of morons with engineering degrees. There are also plenty of idiot doctors out there too. If being intelligent was a requirement for college, there wouldn't be any of those.

[Denbritle]

BAS in Cyber Security and loving every bit of it.

[grumpee]

What's a degree ? I don't even have a high school diploma. Hell, I never even finish the 9th grade.