How Much Extra Lean Mass Has Cycling Afforded You???

**--->>405<<---** · 07-15-2013, 11:39 AM

just curious about this.. one of the big things about cycling is keeping/losing gains.. i am curious to some of yall who have been cycling for awhile (and even those that have only done 1 cycle) as to how much lean mass u are carrying now versus how much u carried natty.

right now im carrying 176lbs lean mass at 5'9". personally i think id like to carry at least 190 to possibly 200lbs lean mass and im wondering what the likelihood of this is without blasting and cruising constantly.

i am aware this is individualistic but im curious to see if there is some sort of average or trend..

**austinite** · 07-15-2013, 11:45 AM

Hmmmm. 150 lbs at about 8% is 138. And 223 at 12.06% is 196. So........... 46 lbs in 17 years? Damn, that kinda sucks. But there was injuries, time off and lost mass in those years.

**--->>405<<---** · 07-15-2013, 11:54 AM

how old were u at 150lbs 8%??

**austinite** · 07-15-2013, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

how old were u at 150lbs 8%??

19 or 20

- Now my peepee is dead.

**--->>405<<---** · 07-15-2013, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

19 or 20

- Now my peepee is dead.

LOL.. i doubt that. maybe without trt..

the reasoin i ask is at that age u prob had more natural filling out to do.. 150lb 8% is prob not ur adult natty stats..

**austinite** · 07-15-2013, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

LOL.. i doubt that. maybe without trt..

the reasoin i ask is at that age u prob had more natural filling out to do.. 150lb 8% is prob not ur adult natty stats..

yeah that's true. And the 8 % is a guesstimate I never checked back then, but I was skin and bones.

**Hazard** · 07-15-2013, 12:15 PM

I started bodybuilding at 175lbs.... Got to 200 or so naturally then got to 255 with cycling. I've always maintained 12% or lower......

**--->>405<<---** · 07-15-2013, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

I started bodybuilding at 175lbs.... Got to 200 or so naturally then got to 255 with cycling. I've always maintained 12% or lower......

thats pretty damn good

where do u sit currently?? 255 or somewhere else? im more concerned with what u carry all the time than ur heaviest..

**austinite** · 07-15-2013, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

thats pretty damn good

where do u sit currently?? 255 or somewhere else? im more concerned with what u carry all the time than ur heaviest..

Hazard is 255 resting, 325 when angry and green.

**Hazard** · 07-15-2013, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

thats pretty damn good

where do u sit currently?? 255 or somewhere else? im more concerned with what u carry all the time than ur heaviest..

I havnt lifted or cycled in a year..... A little more than a year actually. This is my first week back

Idunno what my weight is currently but I was consistently 245......

This was me about 5-6 months ago

**ChiveOn** · 07-15-2013, 05:25 PM

When I first started cycling (2 cycles ago) I was 172lbs total. 10-11~bf
I'm currently looking at 171lbs LBM totally off cycle. I'd count that as a win and I think I can maintain within +/-5lbs of that no problem.
I'd love to have a LBM of 190-200 tho

**--->>405<<---** · 07-15-2013, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

I havnt lifted or cycled in a year..... A little more than a year actually. This is my first week back

Idunno what my weight is currently but I was consistently 245......

This was me about 5-6 months ago

u look pretty good there pal.. how tall are u??

**--->>405<<---** · 07-15-2013, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by ChiveOn

When I first started cycling (2 cycles ago) I was 172lbs total. 10-11~bf
I'm currently looking at 171lbs LBM totally off cycle. I'd count that as a win and I think I can maintain within +/-5lbs of that no problem.
I'd love to have a LBM of 190-200 tho

17+lbs LBM gained after 2 cycles and maintaining is a succes i would def agree.. for me that would spell 190lbs LBM at 5'9"..

i suppose what im really getting at is trying to make sure it is worth it to cycle. i dont want to do it if i cant carry extra LBM as a result and have it not be dependent of me staying on gear..

**< <Samson> >** · 07-15-2013, 07:03 PM

Well, thank you steroids minus the currently dead dick

Started at about 180 and 17 or so Bf%

Now, I am 200 flat & 12-14% Bf

This is after: cycle one of just test, cycle 2 of a little dbol and a gram a week of test for two months. Then I just fvck it and stayed on for another 3-4 months on just 200mg of test. Right after that I ran about 100mg QD of Tren & Mast and 50mg of test. < yeah, I went hard. A little too hard.

Now, I have been off for a month and so far have maintained both strength and weight.

This is over a little less than a year and a half total. Natural = impossible

Running another set of heavy cycles within the next year most likely. I want to see 220 @ 10%Bf < I'm thinking that should be quite solid. This shit is just not obtainable without mad gear.

**OnTheSauce** · 07-15-2013, 07:10 PM

Up approx 40lbs lbm

**Hazard** · 07-15-2013, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

u look pretty good there pal.. how tall are u??

Thx brotha. I'm 6'1......

I can't wait for this soreness to go away lol. Getting back in the gym always sucks for a few weeks. My stamina is gone lol..... I feel week as hell too.

**kelkel** · 07-15-2013, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Thx brotha. I'm 6'1......

I can't wait for this soreness to go away lol. Getting back in the gym always sucks for a few weeks. My stamina is gone lol..... I feel week as hell too.

Go slow Haz. Don't push too hard and have an injury stop you dead in your tracks. Give your tendon and ligaments time to adapt.

**AZGOLDSMEMBER86** · 07-15-2013, 08:14 PM

Started at 195 lbs 18%bf
Now 180. 12-13%bf
But my joints nneed a break.

**kelkel** · 07-15-2013, 08:26 PM

Got a kink in my neck....^^^^

**Cuz** · 07-15-2013, 08:26 PM

nice gains here. Sad to see all the dead dicks lmao. After being off of a low dose sust for 16 weeks now, i think my peter is almost back to normal. Its just the damn BF that i cant control after being off.

**Hazard** · 07-15-2013, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Go slow Haz. Don't push too hard and have an injury stop you dead in your tracks. Give your tendon and ligaments time to adapt.

Yup! That's my thinking as well.....

My first week back I've gone light on dumbells and used a lot of cables. I'm also on vacation so my gym is limited. I'm going to go at my own pace..... An injury would suck right now

**AZGOLDSMEMBER86** · 07-15-2013, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Got a kink in my neck....^^^^

I have posture problems forreals lol

**kelkel** · 07-15-2013, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Yup! That's my thinking as well.....

My first week back I've gone light on dumbells and used a lot of cables. I'm also on vacation so my gym is limited. I'm going to go at my own pace..... An injury would suck right now

I've taken a year off before when my son was born. Just went through the motions for a couple months before I started ramping it up. Comes back quick!

**Hazard** · 07-15-2013, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

I've taken a year off before when my son was born. Just went through the motions for a couple months before I started ramping it up. Comes back quick!

It does..... And I'm excited. My receptors are nice and fresh too hahaha

**Java Man** · 07-15-2013, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

17+lbs LBM gained after 2 cycles and maintaining is a succes i would def agree.. for me that would spell 190lbs LBM at 5'9"..

i suppose what im really getting at is trying to make sure it is worth it to cycle. i dont want to do it if i cant carry extra LBM as a result and have it not be dependent of me staying on gear..

You would keep your gains 405, IMO, because you do everything else correctly. Whether you need to or not? Who can say?

I started at 155 ish lbs ... That after gaining 20 naturally. Easily under 10% bf but so are victims of starvation. I'm currently 224lbs at 6' at maybe 15% bf which is mostly concentrated around the midsection. I took 10yrs off from the gym completely - pretty much no physical activity that.didn't involve my hand shoving food in my mouth and maintained the lbm part of it - covered with a 'healthy' layer of fat lol. So in about 15 years lifting cumulative total, I gained and kept about 70lbs lbm by my loose estimation.

I'm my particular case there is no way in hell that would have happened without AAS. I started too early but luckily I don't need trt knock on wood (haha)

**Java Man** · 07-15-2013, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

Well, thank you steroids minus the currently dead dick

Started at about 180 and 17 or so Bf%

Now, I am 200 flat & 12-14% Bf

This is after: cycle one of just test, cycle 2 of a little dbol and a gram a week of test for two months. Then I just fvck it and stayed on for another 3-4 months on just 200mg of test. Right after that I ran about 100mg QD of Tren & Mast and 50mg of test. < yeah, I went hard. A little too hard.

Now, I have been off for a month and so far have maintained both strength and weight.

This is over a little less than a year and a half total. Natural = impossible

Running another set of heavy cycles within the next year most likely. I want to see 220 @ 10%Bf < I'm thinking that should be quite solid. This shit is just not obtainable without mad gear.

Dude, I saw your latest photo in your pct thread... Not to derail this thread but I have to say if youre 14% bf right now then I must be 30%, and I'm not lol. You are close to 10% at present imo.

**Java Man** · 07-15-2013, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

nice gains here. Sad to see all the dead dicks lmao. After being off of a low dose sust for 16 weeks now, i think my peter is almost back to normal. Its just the damn BF that i cant control after being off.

That is the mf'er ain't it?

**< <Samson> >** · 07-15-2013, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Java Man

Dude, I saw your latest photo in your pct thread... Not to derail this thread but I have to say if youre 14% bf right now then I must be 30%, and I'm not lol. You are close to 10% at present imo.

LMAO

That's exactly what my caliper said today (10%)

I don't believe it, this is me every day looking in the mirror. < I need to get bigger