Judging in the IFBB...

[calstate23]

I believe they need to start incorporating a scientific approach along with a holistic approach...

Opinion is biased....

So, I believe every person that step on stage get BF% measured, height, weight and proportions...Aka Shoulder width to waist, arm size to delts...And on and on...

Plus my little outline approach that measures proportions...If you take an outline of a person to person it is ALWAYS clear as day who has better proportions...Just like my Ronnie Coleman and Flex picture...

But, obviously you can not see the definition, striation etc in an outline..But it gives an overall better standpoint.....Combine both and you have a true better outcome...

Mix the TRUE fact (Statistical data) with opinion and you get a much better and more accurate view....

[Lunk1]

Has anyone inquired how you became so full of yourself?

[calstate23]

Has anyone inquired how you became so full of yourself?

Ha ha full of myself....Probably not...

Will I say I'm ALWAYS right? No, but majority of the time, yes...

[--->>405<<---]

Cal i do find humor in some of ur posts man due to the fact that u just assume ur perspective is the correct one. Of course i have been accused of thinking im always right too.. Obviously that person was WRONG!!

[calstate23]

Cal i do find humor in some of ur posts man due to the fact that u just assume ur perspective is the correct one. Of course i have been accused of thinking im always right too.. Obviously that person was WRONG!!

Ha ha...Well that is why I get angry a lot because when people are just that far from the truth...I'm ALWAYS right...Almost ALL the time lol

[Hazard]

People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.

~Isaac Asimov~

[calstate23]

People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.

~Isaac Asimov~

Funny quote because it is a contradiction...No one can know everything so it makes it non existent...BUT some may know MORE, but they can't know all...

Bit MORE, it better then less...And it's a little bit closer to all...Maybe 95%? lol

[crazy mike]

People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.

~Isaac Asimov~

LMFAO... ..crazy mike

[GettingReal]

No one cares about stats. Bodybuilding is about a look. Plus your little outline obviously doesn't show the big picture, the idea is flawed and poor from a bodybuilding perspective.

[marcus300]

No one cares about stats. Bodybuilding is about a look. Plus your little outline obviously doesn't show the big picture, the idea is flawed and poor from a bodybuilding perspective.

Agreed, doesn't matter one bit the size or bf levels its how they look and that's why they judge like that now.

[--->>405<<---]

i would be interested to see what exactly they look for.. is it a set type thing or is it left solely to the discretion of each individual judge, or is it a combination and if so what is it a combination of? i realize size/conditioning, symmetry but what else? i mean ive seen a few like kai vs phil, and TBH i thought it could go either way.. where do the deciding factors come in?? what are they specifically?? is it measurable or is it just like an artistic thing??

[kelkel]

It's also very political.

[evander87]

Ditch the IFBB for the WBFF.

Look at mens physique over there. They care about leg definition and you don't have to be juiced to the gills to compete. I'm talking to a competitor that was on stage in Vegas this last weekend about getting info on the WBFF. It sounds like it doesn't have the political quagmire the IFBB does but it's certainly not as big either. Qualifying shows are limited. If I get enough information and a proper coach I"ll compete in the WBFF.

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

It's also very political.

Elaborate please

[austinite]

Elaborate please

They buy steroids on discount through ObamaCare and groceries with food stamps.

[Hazard]

They buy steroids on discount through ObamaCare and groceries with food stamps.

Lmao

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

They buy steroids on discount through ObamaCare and groceries with food stamps.

Hahaha nice

[Hazard]

Elaborate please

Elaborate on what? It's political..... U scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. U want to switch to BSN for more money.....? Guess what..... You just lost #9 my friend.

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

Elaborate on what? It's political..... U scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. U want to switch to BSN for more money.....? Guess what..... You just lost #9 my friend.

I see

[--->>405<<---]

Elaborate on what? It's political..... U scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. U want to switch to BSN for more money.....? Guess what..... You just lost #9 my friend.

ok thats number 9, what about 1-3?? it would seem the closer to the top u are, the less u have to play other peoples' games and get to call your own shots? of course how do u get to the top? im sure politics are involved, but if u are one big ripped mofo itd seem u would stand a better chance of circumventing the system...??

?

[Hazard]

ok thats number 9, what about 1-3?? it would seem the closer to the top u are, the less u have to play other peoples' games and get to call your own shots? of course how do u get to the top? im sure politics are involved, but if u are one big ripped mofo itd seem u would stand a better chance of circumventing the system...??

?

Ask big Ron that lol

[Hazard]

I would imagine getting to the top means there's much ass kissing to be done. Maybe not stroking everyone's dick but you aren't going to win just by being the people's favorite. I'm not saying it should be this way but it is what it is. There have been a few "out spoken" bodybuilders who have no doubt become famous in the sport but never really went far.

[Hazard]

From Examiner - Jan 1, 2011


Are politics involved in bodybuilding competitions and should you be concerned?


The sport of bodybuilding has been in existence since the late 19th century when a man by the name of Eugene Sandow of Prussia (now known to us as Germany), engaged audiences by giving displays of his muscle performances at carnivals. He later went on to organize the first bodybuilding competition in 1901, entitled the "Great Competition"; wherein, he was a judge along with two others. In those days, the perfect physique was close in proportion of the ancient Roman and Greek statues. Today, not only have the physiques changed but so has the judging criteria.

Every competition is different and for each one of them, what the judges are looking for will also be different. Whether you enter a natural show or not, there are standards that must be followed which will be very crucial for all competitors who desire to compete.

Entering a bodybuilding competition is a lot more involved than just deciding to enter by signing up and getting the credentials you need to move forward. Not only will there be a lot of work to be done to physically prepare, there will also be work you will need to do to prepare mentally.

Some would beg to differ that there is any politics in bodybuilding competitions; but if you've ever been in competitions, known someone who has, or been to a competition, you will learn that many of the judges at these events already know who they are going to pick as the winner, even at first glance. Depending on your overall preparation, this could very well work for or against you.

The panel of judges are basically looking for the overall quality of muscular development based on mass, definition, proportion, symmetry and stage presence. In order to be a good judge, the judge has to have a good eye for knowing what a "good bodybuilder" looks like. If the judge does not have an eye for spotting a "good bodybuilder", regardless of the rules of that particular judging system, placement wouldn't be fair and rules would be useless.

So just what makes one competitor's body better than another competitor's? It could be that one has a better diet and exercise routine; or it could be just plain ol' genetics. Since bodybuilding is a sport about illusion, just having that better body may or may not win you the competition. You see, the body could be fantastic but if stage presence is lacking, or if there is a lack of confidence and poise, placement chances can be ruined. Attitude is everything in this business. Therefore, whether you place 1st, 5th or not at all, your attitude should be of grace and poise for your fellow competitors. How you lose can mean even more than winning. Winning is easy and doesn't take a lot of effort to feel the effects. But it's losing which teaches us the greatest lessons in humility. Losing doesn't make you a loser, it just means that it wasn't your time to win. In competitions, sometimes you have to practice the art of losing several times before you see the upswing of that losing streak.

One of the most important components to this preparation will be the development of stage presence. You will learn that stage presence is KEY to your bodybuilding success; not just your physical presence but also your demeanor, regardless of the competition's outcome. You will quickly learn the importance of having a great attitude going in. If the judges don't like you, you will never win a competition, regardless of how great your physique may be. Perhaps this is where the politics issues start.

Here are a few pointers to consider that can increase your chances of being a top pick in the judges' eyes:

Ask the judges what they are looking for and where you need to improve. Then listen to their feedback and apply the advice. The advantage here is, when entering the next competition, the judges will see the changes you made out of respect for their input and this can score you higher toward a win.
Keep your name clean in and out of the competition because your competitors can easily find out any negative press about you or something you've said and report it to the judges.
Never boast or discuss steroid use of others or yourself. These type subjects, especially if you are entering competitions can become a very dark cloud that will hang over your head due to gossip or slander and can ruin your good name and image, whether you use or not.
Always remember, the other competitors are your competition, and like you, they want to win. People you think may have your back could very quickly stab you in it.
If you get into the sport of bodybuilding and decide to shy away from competitions because you feel it may be too political, you may be in it for the wrong reasons. The actual beauty of the competitions is the overall love of the sport. Creating the physique you want and being in a position to display it with a chance of placing or turning pro is the whole idea. If you take it seriously but not to the point of feeling pressure and stress of what you may consider an unfair advantage or favoritism over you, then, you can simply enjoy the competition for what it is. if not, it is then that the sport becomes something other than its original intent and begin to live up to its bad name. So, does this mean that bodybuilding competitions are actually filled with politics or are the politics of the competitions self-induced by perception?

[calstate23]

Apparently people forgot about the part that I didn't say COMPLETELY off stats alone..I said combination...Cant hurt, so why not?

Also as I mentioned of striation, definition, fullness, how people hold water etc etc would be hard to judge off of physical stats....

And yes, every comp the judges are looking for a different look...But why would taking statistical data hurt? It would just improve the quality of judging...

[kelkel]

Elaborate please

Haz did but politics rear their head in local and all the way up to the IFBB shows. Ask any top pro. The local BBer who trains at the gym sponsoring the meet will stand a much better chance that the "outsider" showing up to compete. Those with sponsors / promoters tend to do better and be more influential. The IFBB is a big business and wants the guys that will promote it the best to be their champions. It's all about money. Remember, bodybuilding's judging criteria is totally subjective, not objective. Big difference.

[austinite]

^ I'm sticking to obamacare and food stamps.

[cgi]

They need to make the vacuum pose mandatory.

[kelkel]

^ I'm sticking to obamacare and food stamps.

Don't forget the free phone....

[GirlyGymRat]

Don't forget the free phone....

I want a free smart phone...

[Euroholic]

ok thats number 9, what about 1-3?? it would seem the closer to the top u are, the less u have to play other peoples' games and get to call your own shots? of course how do u get to the top? im sure politics are involved, but if u are one big ripped mofo itd seem u would stand a better chance of circumventing the system...??

?

Markus ruhl he like never wins that guy is insanly big

[Euroholic]

From Examiner - Jan 1, 2011


Are politics involved in bodybuilding competitions and should you be concerned?


The sport of bodybuilding has been in existence since the late 19th century when a man by the name of Eugene Sandow of Prussia (now known to us as Germany), engaged audiences by giving displays of his muscle performances at carnivals. He later went on to organize the first bodybuilding competition in 1901, entitled the "Great Competition"; wherein, he was a judge along with two others. In those days, the perfect physique was close in proportion of the ancient Roman and Greek statues. Today, not only have the physiques changed but so has the judging criteria.

Every competition is different and for each one of them, what the judges are looking for will also be different. Whether you enter a natural show or not, there are standards that must be followed which will be very crucial for all competitors who desire to compete.

Entering a bodybuilding competition is a lot more involved than just deciding to enter by signing up and getting the credentials you need to move forward. Not only will there be a lot of work to be done to physically prepare, there will also be work you will need to do to prepare mentally.

Some would beg to differ that there is any politics in bodybuilding competitions; but if you've ever been in competitions, known someone who has, or been to a competition, you will learn that many of the judges at these events already know who they are going to pick as the winner, even at first glance. Depending on your overall preparation, this could very well work for or against you.

The panel of judges are basically looking for the overall quality of muscular development based on mass, definition, proportion, symmetry and stage presence. In order to be a good judge, the judge has to have a good eye for knowing what a "good bodybuilder" looks like. If the judge does not have an eye for spotting a "good bodybuilder", regardless of the rules of that particular judging system, placement wouldn't be fair and rules would be useless.

So just what makes one competitor's body better than another competitor's? It could be that one has a better diet and exercise routine; or it could be just plain ol' genetics. Since bodybuilding is a sport about illusion, just having that better body may or may not win you the competition. You see, the body could be fantastic but if stage presence is lacking, or if there is a lack of confidence and poise, placement chances can be ruined. Attitude is everything in this business. Therefore, whether you place 1st, 5th or not at all, your attitude should be of grace and poise for your fellow competitors. How you lose can mean even more than winning. Winning is easy and doesn't take a lot of effort to feel the effects. But it's losing which teaches us the greatest lessons in humility. Losing doesn't make you a loser, it just means that it wasn't your time to win. In competitions, sometimes you have to practice the art of losing several times before you see the upswing of that losing streak.

One of the most important components to this preparation will be the development of stage presence. You will learn that stage presence is KEY to your bodybuilding success; not just your physical presence but also your demeanor, regardless of the competition's outcome. You will quickly learn the importance of having a great attitude going in. If the judges don't like you, you will never win a competition, regardless of how great your physique may be. Perhaps this is where the politics issues start.

Here are a few pointers to consider that can increase your chances of being a top pick in the judges' eyes:

Ask the judges what they are looking for and where you need to improve. Then listen to their feedback and apply the advice. The advantage here is, when entering the next competition, the judges will see the changes you made out of respect for their input and this can score you higher toward a win.
Keep your name clean in and out of the competition because your competitors can easily find out any negative press about you or something you've said and report it to the judges.
Never boast or discuss steroid use of others or yourself. These type subjects, especially if you are entering competitions can become a very dark cloud that will hang over your head due to gossip or slander and can ruin your good name and image, whether you use or not.
Always remember, the other competitors are your competition, and like you, they want to win. People you think may have your back could very quickly stab you in it.
If you get into the sport of bodybuilding and decide to shy away from competitions because you feel it may be too political, you may be in it for the wrong reasons. The actual beauty of the competitions is the overall love of the sport. Creating the physique you want and being in a position to display it with a chance of placing or turning pro is the whole idea. If you take it seriously but not to the point of feeling pressure and stress of what you may consider an unfair advantage or favoritism over you, then, you can simply enjoy the competition for what it is. if not, it is then that the sport becomes something other than its original intent and begin to live up to its bad name. So, does this mean that bodybuilding competitions are actually filled with politics or are the politics of the competitions self-induced by perception?

Hate to pick but The state of prussia is not known to us as germany. The state does not exist anymore. If anything its modern day germany,poland, lithuania, czech , russia(kallingrad)