Do supplements work without steroids?

[calstate23]

Can your body metabolize it?

[tdoe11]

Can your body metabolize it?

What do you mean? There are a lot of supplements out there.

[bass]

supplements are meant to work regardless what you're on, except of course if you are on meds that conflict with certain supplements. for example you can't take L-Arginine while on blood thinners. so basically you need to plan your supplements in conjunction with your meds.

[calstate23]

I'm just wondering though...

Would gh, T3 or test make a difference how I metabolize supps?

[brazuka]

Interesting question... I have actually stopped taking all supps besides whey protein and a few others because I feel it's a waste of money. But if you are on cycle and can impact your gains a great deal, then I'd love to hear that. For now I am sticking to my whey and liver protection only.

[calstate23]

No one need supps....NO ONE needs protein shakes...It's a lie and it's a joke....

AAS and food...That's it....

Supps are fake...

[krugerr]

No one need supps....NO ONE needs protein shakes...It's a lie and it's a joke....

AAS and food...That's it....

Supps are fake...

You're a very weird man.

You start a thread, then rant at yourself.

[calstate23]

But they MIGHT matter if your body can metabolize it...

[calstate23]

You're a very weird man.

You start a thread, then rant at yourself.

No, just waiting for input....

[krugerr]

Why would anyone contribute to this thread in a serious manor?

You didn't start this with the intent to educate, inform or discuss. Your intention was to start arguing with people over the 'fakeness' of supplements.

[Metalject]

I don't put protein powder in the same category as supplements because it's not. It's just food. The way it's marketed is a lie but it's still just food and easy food.

Now most of the supplements out there, on cycle or not is not going to change if they're worthless or the greatest thing in the world or anything in between.

In my opinion, good supplements that are worth taking any time:

Fish Oil
Vitamin D
Liver Support
Primrose Oil (I like it when dieting)
Also Juice Plus, I took this stuff for about 4 or so years. It's very over priced in some ways and there are generics available now but during that 4yr period I never even got a single cold. Coincidence? Maybe but seems doubtful.

[calstate23]

Why would anyone contribute to this thread in a serious manor?

You didn't start this with the intent to educate, inform or discuss. Your intention was to start arguing with people over the 'fakeness' of supplements.

Exactly, I did it to see what people know....

[krugerr]

Exactly, I did it to see what people know....

That's the wrong attitude, brother. Debating in an educational manor is very different to arguing for the sake of it.

/out

[calstate23]

I don't put protein powder in the same category as supplements because it's not. It's just food. The way it's marketed is a lie but it's still just food and easy food.

Now most of the supplements out there, on cycle or not is not going to change if they're worthless or the greatest thing in the world or anything in between.

In my opinion, good supplements that are worth taking any time:

Fish Oil
Vitamin D
Liver Support
Primrose Oil (I like it when dieting)
Also Juice Plus, I took this stuff for about 4 or so years. It's very over priced in some ways and there are generics available now but during that 4yr period I never even got a single cold. Coincidence? Maybe but seems doubtful.

So there is no difference between someone taking hormones? It doesn't make a difference?

[MuscleInk]

No one need supps....NO ONE needs protein shakes...It's a lie and it's a joke....

AAS and food...That's it....

Supps are fake...

I would add a proviso to your above statement(s). Supplements may be unnecessary IF (and this is a really big if) someone is eating correctly and consuming appropriate levels of nutrients, minerals, vitamins, and so forth. Among people who have made fitness (cardio and strength training) their lifestyle (not a hobby) and whom have learned to eat correctly AND prepare food properly (and not cook away all the nutritive value), then yes, perhaps vitamins and other supplements are unnecessary.

The sad reality however, is that the vast majority of people do NOT eat correctly or follow a healthy lifestyle. Even the food sold in grocery stores is often over processed or cultivated in ways that deplete the nutritive value of food. Take a look at blood work in even healthy people and I guarantee you'll see lower values of calcium, vitamin K, vitamin D, magnesium, and potassium in far too many people. It's becoming pandemic and the medical community doesn't have a concrete explanation, but, believe our substandard food chain is partly to blame.

So, I would advise caution when saying supplements are unnecessary. Many doctors would agree, but the majority of those people wouldn't know what healthy eating was if you asked them to explain or define it. True, supplements can be harmful when abused, but a blanket statement that supplements are fake and unnecessary would be true, IMO, if and only if the quality of the food we eat improves and the majority of people become more active and less sedentary.

[calstate23]

I would add a proviso to your above statement(s). Supplements may be unnecessary IF (and this is a really big if) someone is eating correctly and consuming appropriate levels of nutrients, minerals, vitamins, and so forth. Among people who have made fitness (cardio and strength training) their lifestyle (not a hobby) and whom have learned to eat correctly AND prepare food properly (and not cook away all the nutritive value), then yes, perhaps vitamins and other supplements are unnecessary.

The sad reality however, is that the vast majority of people do NOT eat correctly or follow a healthy lifestyle. Even the food sold in grocery stores is often over processed or cultivated in ways that deplete the nutritive value of food. Take a look at blood work in even healthy people and I guarantee you'll see lower values of calcium, vitamin K, vitamin D, magnesium, and potassium in far too many people. It's becoming pandemic and the medical community doesn't have a concrete explanation, but, believe our substandard food chain is partly to blame.

So, I would advise caution when saying supplements are unnecessary. Many doctors would agree, but the majority of those people wouldn't know what healthy eating was if you asked them to explain or define it. True, supplements can be harmful when abused, but a blanket statement that supplements are fake and unnecessary would be true, IMO, if and only if the quality of the food we eat improves and the majority of people become more active and less sedentary.

Well, first off what you are talking about if fake...It's balony...Do you REALLY think a VITAMIN (Small little capsule) will replace all the nutrients you need? Vitamins are FAKE too...Do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for you....

[thisAngelBites]

I don't understand. You're saying vitamins are fake, but steroids somehow make them real?

[Lunk1]

sup·ple·ment
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noun
1. something added to complete a thing, supply a deficiency, or reinforce or extend a whole.
2. a part added to a book, document, etc., to supply additional or later information, correct errors, or the like.
3. a part, usually of special character, issued as an additional feature of a newspaper or other periodical.
4. Geometry . the quantity by which an angle or an arc falls short of 180° or a semicircle.

verb (used with object)
5. to complete, add to, or extend by a supplement.
6. to form a supplement or addition to.
7. to supply (a deficiency).

[calstate23]

I don't understand. You're saying vitamins are fake, but steroids somehow make them real?

Yes, exactly.....Hormones are BIO IDENTICAL....Vitamins are not....Vitamins are a waste

[calstate23]

Well the body can't metabolize "shakes" Vitamins"....Not possible...Your body can NOT metabolize that and make it for any use...NONE...Whatsoever...

[bass]

Yes, exactly.....Hormones are BIO IDENTICAL....Vitamins are not....Vitamins are a waste

not sure where you getting this info from but supplements do work, its been proven by blood works, like DHEA, Vitamin D3, L-Arginine, vitamin C, and the list goes on.........

[austinite]

Yes, exactly.....Hormones are BIO IDENTICAL....Vitamins are not....Vitamins are a waste

Strange. I had no idea. I guess I will sue Quest Diagnostics for giving me blood results showing optimum levels that food could not provide.

Go to your room, Cal.

[HitIt]

my cat just farted

[austinite]

[calstate23]

Just because you have metabolites in your system does not mean they are effective.....

Yes, your vitamins...Throw them down the DRAIN

[sapo59]

^^^ proof is in the puddin'. Guess you shouldn't eat food either?

[austinite]

Just because you have metabolites in your system does not mean they are effective.....

Yes, your vitamins...Throw them down the DRAIN

You're clueless. 100%, I honestly feel sorry for anyone you advise in "real life", because we're not there to tell them how inaccurate you are.

[calstate23]

Well if you read my story on T3 and how it interacts with other hormones then you might understand....

My whole point is that without "steroids " or hormones your body CAN NOT metabolize it to make it effective...Or should I say put it to ACTUAL USE...It's a WASTE PRODUCT

You will NOT get vitamins from a pill WITHOUT A DOUBT GUARANTEED

[austinite]

Well if you read my story on T3 and how it interacts with other hormones then you might understand....

My whole point is that without "steroids " or hormones your body CAN NOT metabolize it to make it effective...Or should I say put it to ACTUAL USE...It's a WASTE PRODUCT

You will NOT get vitamins from a pill WITHOUT A DOUBT GUARANTEED

There's nothing you could possibly teach me about T3, or anything else for that matter.

You do not understand metabolism, whatsoever. And that is the problem.

[calstate23]

So I'm wrong?

[austinite]

Constantly.

[calstate23]

Please explain to me how I'm wrong that vitamins and "supps" mean nothing....

[teezer33]

Interesting, I am going to tell my wife's doc he is a fool for putting prenatal vitamins, if they don't work then what's the point. One question though, if our body can not metabolize vitamins, what can it metabolize? I was under the impression that the stomach and digestive tract function is just that, among other things too...etc.?

[calstate23]

Your body CAN NOT metabolize a pill and get any use out of it...NONE

[austinite]

Your body CAN NOT metabolize a pill and get any use out of it...NONE

Apparently your body can metabolize "other" stuff. You were once sane, Cal. Really a shame.

[calstate23]

Interesting, I am going to tell my wife's doc he is a fool for putting prenatal vitamins, if they don't work then what's the point. One question though, if our body can not metabolize vitamins, what can it metabolize? I was under the impression that the stomach and digestive tract function is just that, among other things too...etc.?

Well most likely your "wife" is just eating correctly....Vitamins mean sh*t honestly...No point

[Lunk1]

Then an oral steroid is completely ineffective???

[marcus300]

There's nothing you could possibly teach me about T3, or anything else for that matter.

You do not understand metabolism, whatsoever. And that is the problem.

It's pointless in trying to educate him. He's full of rec drugs what have destroyed him. Just ignore him. It's best.

[austinite]

It's pointless in trying to educate him. He's full of rec drugs what have destroyed him. Just ignore him. It's best.

Agree. Will do.

[teezer33]

Well most likely your "wife" is just eating correctly....Vitamins mean sh*t honestly...No point

With all do respect Sir, Vitamins are only acquired via food and pill form. At least that's what they taught me in school