Gun Owners

[Rwy]

Just curious about something......


In these cases where the child takes his parents gun and kills someone what happens to the parents? I am assuming each state is different but are there serious charges against the parents?

[JJ78]

There should be.

Bad parenting, neglect, and ignorance are to blame for things like this happening.

A proper gun owner should not have to lock his guns up, because they would teach their children at a young age how to handle and respect the firearms.

Just like fences and gates around pools. All the time kids drown here in Vegas in their own pools.
Why not teach your kids how to swim? Especially if you live in a house that has a pool.

Ignorance

[Hazard]

U can also buy trigger locks so the gun can't be fired by a kid

[JJ78]

yes u can.

[Hazard]

yes u can.

My town gives them away for free at the police station

[bass]

I agree they should be held accountable, guns should not be accessible to children unless they are supervised. but then again there is always a box cutter!

[MuscleInk]

Just curious about something......

In these cases where the child takes his parents gun and kills someone what happens to the parents? I am assuming each state is different but are there serious charges against the parents?

Each state has its own Child Access Prevention (CAP) laws which impose criminal liability on adults who negligently leave firearms accessible to children or otherwise allow children access to firearms.

These laws take a variety of forms; the strongest laws impose criminal liability when a minor gains access to a negligently stored firearm; the weakest simply prohibit persons from directly providing a firearm to a minor. Many state laws however, fall somewhere between these extremes, including laws that impose criminal liability for negligently stored firearms, but only where the child uses the firearm and causes death or serious injury. Weaker laws impose penalties only in the event of reckless, knowing or intentional conduct by the adult. States also differ on the definition of "minor" for purposes of preventing access to firearms.

Here's a general summary:

1. States Imposing Criminal Liability When a Child "May" or "Is Likely To" Gain Access to the Firearm

California
District of Columbia
Massachusetts
Minnesota

2. States Imposing Criminal Liability for Allowing a Child to Gain Access to the Firearm, Regardless of Whether the Child Uses the Firearm or Causes Injury

California
District of Columbia
Hawaii
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
New Jersey
Texas

3. States Imposing Criminal Liability Only if a Child Uses or Carries the Firearm

Connecticut
Florida
Illinois
Iowa
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Rhode Island

4. States Imposing Criminal Liability for Negligent Storage of Unloaded Firearms

California
District of Columbia
Hawaii
Massachusetts

[spywizard]

There should be.

Bad parenting, neglect, and ignorance are to blame for things like this happening.

A proper gun owner should not have to lock his guns up, because they would teach their children at a young age how to handle and respect the firearms.

Just like fences and gates around pools. All the time kids drown here in Vegas in their own pools.
Why not teach your kids how to swim? Especially if you live in a house that has a pool.

Ignorance

this is very true, however when my children are a little older.. 12+ they have full access and a very early and continued fear of me if they touch them except in the case of an intruder.. by the way there are much older now and fine.. with that said, I also have a 5 yr old, he knows the guns and I don't have to "hide" them, but i do keep them in quick access safes in different parts of the house..

The issue is stupid kids that come over for a visit and the gun is found, or shown or whatever, these accidents are tragic and why insurance is keep high..

[MuscleInk]

There have been several events this week involving children and guns including a 19 year old baby sitter in Texas who took a nap while caring for a five year old boy and left her loaded hand gun on the table. The five year old shot and killed himself.

[DB1982]

And what if you did all the right things and a child still manages to get ahold of a firearm.

Seriously punish the parents for what their child did. What a way to teach the youth to never take accountability for THEIR own actions. Wait thats how everyone already is always pointing the finger or blaming another for their actions.

Listen I'm a parent of 2 boys while they are young I have learned. I can only guide them down the path I hope the choose and become the men I hope they can be.

I try to be the best role model I can be n raise them right.
But in the end the choice is theirs to choose. No matter how good of a parent you are your children will eventually choose a path in which you don't agree with. Some of those choices being worse then others.

But punish the parents is just unjustified.

Now if it's an adolescent child then the parents are far more responsible.

But once the child is in their early teens you'd be a fool to believe these kids don't understand their own action.

This dawn country is too dawn sue happy

[Hazard]

There have been several events this week involving children and guns including a 19 year old baby sitter in Texas who took a nap while caring for a five year old boy and left her loaded hand gun on the table. The five year old shot and killed himself.

That's fvcked up. She should be locked up for stupidity and serious neglect

[Vettester]

In California, the parents are responsible and can/will be held liable for the actions of a child getting possession of their weapon(s). If guns are in the house with children they need to be locked and/or in a safe, no exceptions.

[Vettester]

MI spelled it out in post 7. Nice post.

[MuscleInk]

MI spelled it out in post 7. Nice post.

Thanks Vet.

[Fcastle357]

And what if you did all the right things and a child still manages to get ahold of a firearm.

Seriously punish the parents for what their child did. What a way to teach the youth to never take accountability for THEIR own actions. Wait thats how everyone already is always pointing the finger or blaming another for their actions.

Listen I'm a parent of 2 boys while they are young I have learned. I can only guide them down the path I hope the choose and become the men I hope they can be.

I try to be the best role model I can be n raise them right.
But in the end the choice is theirs to choose. No matter how good of a parent you are your children will eventually choose a path in which you don't agree with. Some of those choices being worse then others.

But punish the parents is just unjustified.

Now if it's an adolescent child then the parents are far more responsible.

But once the child is in their early teens you'd be a fool to believe these kids don't understand their own action.

This dawn country is too dawn sue happy

Everything I wanted to say right here.

[MuscleInk]

And what if you did all the right things and a child still manages to get ahold of a firearm.

Seriously punish the parents for what their child did. What a way to teach the youth to never take accountability for THEIR own actions. Wait thats how everyone already is always pointing the finger or blaming another for their actions.

Listen I'm a parent of 2 boys while they are young I have learned. I can only guide them down the path I hope the choose and become the men I hope they can be.

I try to be the best role model I can be n raise them right.
But in the end the choice is theirs to choose. No matter how good of a parent you are your children will eventually choose a path in which you don't agree with. Some of those choices being worse then others.

But punish the parents is just unjustified.

Now if it's an adolescent child then the parents are far more responsible.

But once the child is in their early teens you'd be a fool to believe these kids don't understand their own action.

This dawn country is too dawn sue happy

Agreed with above, however, WRT to firearms, mine are locked in a safe, a separate safe for ammo, and each gun has a fire safety lock to prevent use. No one has the safe combinations other than myself or my wife. The kids are prohibited from entry into the safe and the only time they are allowed to access the guns is when I take them to the range to educate them on safe use.

[Java Man]

Each state has its own Child Access Prevention (CAP) laws which impose criminal liability on adults who negligently leave firearms accessible to children or otherwise allow children access to firearms.

These laws take a variety of forms; the strongest laws impose criminal liability when a minor gains access to a negligently stored firearm; the weakest simply prohibit persons from directly providing a firearm to a minor. Many state laws however, fall somewhere between these extremes, including laws that impose criminal liability for negligently stored firearms, but only where the child uses the firearm and causes death or serious injury. Weaker laws impose penalties only in the event of reckless, knowing or intentional conduct by the adult. States also differ on the definition of "minor" for purposes of preventing access to firearms.

Here's a general summary:

1. States Imposing Criminal Liability When a Child "May" or "Is Likely To" Gain Access to the Firearm

California
District of Columbia
Massachusetts
Minnesota

2. States Imposing Criminal Liability for Allowing a Child to Gain Access to the Firearm, Regardless of Whether the Child Uses the Firearm or Causes Injury

California
District of Columbia
Hawaii
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
New Jersey
Texas

3. States Imposing Criminal Liability Only if a Child Uses or Carries the Firearm

Connecticut
Florida
Illinois
Iowa
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Rhode Island

4. States Imposing Criminal Liability for Negligent Storage of Unloaded Firearms

California
District of Columbia
HawaiI
Massachusetts

You forgot one.

5. States Imposing Criminal Liability for responsible adults in possession of Loaded or Unloaded Firearms

California


Oh wait that hasn't happened. Yet.

[cgi]

Each state has its own Child Access Prevention (CAP) laws which impose criminal liability on adults who negligently leave firearms accessible to children or otherwise allow children access to firearms.

These laws take a variety of forms; the strongest laws impose criminal liability when a minor gains access to a negligently stored firearm; the weakest simply prohibit persons from directly providing a firearm to a minor. Many state laws however, fall somewhere between these extremes, including laws that impose criminal liability for negligently stored firearms, but only where the child uses the firearm and causes death or serious injury. Weaker laws impose penalties only in the event of reckless, knowing or intentional conduct by the adult. States also differ on the definition of "minor" for purposes of preventing access to firearms.

Here's a general summary:

1. States Imposing Criminal Liability When a Child "May" or "Is Likely To" Gain Access to the Firearm

California
District of Columbia
Massachusetts
Minnesota

2. States Imposing Criminal Liability for Allowing a Child to Gain Access to the Firearm, Regardless of Whether the Child Uses the Firearm or Causes Injury

California
District of Columbia
Hawaii
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
New Jersey
Texas

3. States Imposing Criminal Liability Only if a Child Uses or Carries the Firearm

Connecticut
Florida
Illinois
Iowa
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Rhode Island

4. States Imposing Criminal Liability for Negligent Storage of Unloaded Firearms

California
District of Columbia
Hawaii
Massachusetts

This is false at least when it comes to California. People read the law incorrectly. Basically you can only be prosecuted if child gains access to your gun AND uses irresponsibly. It's not illegal to have a loaded or unloaded gun lying around the house ( I keep mine loaded and out of the safe ).

[cgi]

Just curious about something......


In these cases where the child takes his parents gun and kills someone what happens to the parents? I am assuming each state is different but are there serious charges against the parents?

Yes it is state by state but there's really only about 3-4 states that have laws about prosecuting parents who's kid gain access to their guns. Most states don't have laws like this. It's usually anti-gun states that want to harm gun owners as much as possible.

[lovbyts]

That's fvcked up. She should be locked up for stupidity and serious neglect

They wouldn't have to lock me up. I don't think I could live with myself if that happened to me or because of me.

[Honkey_Kong]

Did they really need to put laws on the books pertaining to kids gaining access to their parent's weapons? It seems to me like they already have laws in place for that sort of thing. Like manslaughter and at the very least criminal negligence.

I'm of the belief that it should be mandatory for every gun owner to buy a safety lock for every gun that they own at the time of the purchase. The gun background checks should also check to see if the owner has purchased a safe PRIOR to the sale of the gun.

And with those laws, they should remove these retarded rules to guns (like what defines an assault weapon) and allow gun owners to own their automatics and silencers.

[MuscleInk]

Did they really need to put laws on the books pertaining to kids gaining access to their parent's weapons? It seems to me like they already have laws in place for that sort of thing. Like manslaughter and at the very least criminal negligence.

I'm of the belief that it should be mandatory for every gun owner to buy a safety lock for every gun that they own at the time of the purchase. The gun background checks should also check to see if the owner has purchased a safe PRIOR to the sale of the gun.

And with those laws, they should remove these retarded rules to guns (like what defines an assault weapon) and allow gun owners to own their automatics and silencers.

Yet even with said laws, we have irresponsible people leaving guns accessible to children who (may) have not been properly educated on the dangers and safe handling of lethal weapons.

[cgi]

Did they really need to put laws on the books pertaining to kids gaining access to their parent's weapons? It seems to me like they already have laws in place for that sort of thing. Like manslaughter and at the very least criminal negligence.

I'm of the belief that it should be mandatory for every gun owner to buy a safety lock for every gun that they own at the time of the purchase. The gun background checks should also check to see if the owner has purchased a safe PRIOR to the sale of the gun.

And with those laws, they should remove these retarded rules to guns (like what defines an assault weapon) and allow gun owners to own their automatics and silencers.

Okay, so you lock up your gun.... your home defense gun... now a burglar breaks into your house in the middle of the night while you're sleeping. Your motor skills suck. Are you going to go grab a key or enter a combo when you've woken up in a daze and your adrenaline is pumping? Seconds can cost you your life. I prefer to keep my handgun loaded and near me with easy access. If you have children in the house you should be able to trust them and have hopefully already taught them how to safely operate a firearm as well as respect for firearms.

[MuscleInk]

This is false at least when it comes to California. People read the law incorrectly. Basically you can only be prosecuted if child gains access to your gun AND uses irresponsibly. It's not illegal to have a loaded or unloaded gun lying around the house ( I keep mine loaded and out of the safe ).

I too have guns (mags loaded but no rounds chambered) throughout the house, however, my kids do not live with me. When they visit however, every single gun is locked away in the safe and each has a separate trigger/cable lock. The room were the safes are located is keyed and locked as well. No child of mine has access to the room or the safes.

The safety of my children is my first and foremost.

[cgi]

I too have guns (mags loaded but no rounds chambered) throughout the house, however, my kids do not live with me. When they visit however, every single gun is locked away in the safe and each has a separate trigger/cable lock. The room were the safes are located is keyed and locked as well. No child of mine has access to the room or the safes.

The safety of my children is my first and foremost.

Yeah, no round in the chamber for me either. It's "loaded" under California law, lol. But I'm different. I would view access to loaded guns as the safety of children, not locking them up and increasing the time of access should they be immediately needed. If there's a home invasion while the kids are at your house it sounds like you're screwed bud. If there are kids at my house that I haven't trained or that I don't trust then I will either have the gun on my person or then and only then would it be locked away.

[Honkey_Kong]

Okay, so you lock up your gun.... your home defense gun... now a burglar breaks into your house in the middle of the night while you're sleeping. Your motor skills suck. Are you going to go grab a key or enter a combo when you've woken up in a daze and your adrenaline is pumping? Seconds can cost you your life. I prefer to keep my handgun loaded and near me with easy access. If you have children in the house you should be able to trust them and have hopefully already taught them how to safely operate a firearm as well as respect for firearms.

If your motor skills and judgement suck that bad because you're still in a sleep daze, you definitely SHOULDN'T be using the gun period. What if that isn't a burglar in your house? Let's just say it's the fire department or maybe your kid had a friend over and he/she's stumbling it's way out? You're in a daze though, so what's to stop you from making a serious mistake?

And you can tell your kids how to handle a weapon until you're blue in the face and that doesn't mean they're not going to do something they shouldn't be doing? Name one kid who hasn't flat out disobeyed their parents because they thought they knew better? Kids show poor judgement and you should not be trusting that your kids are going to be handling your weapons safely. You always assume they wont and prepare for that.

[MuscleInk]

Yeah, no round in the chamber for me either. It's "loaded" under California law, lol. But I'm different. I would view access to loaded guns as the safety of children, not locking them up and increasing the time of access should they be immediately needed. If there's a home invasion while the kids are at your house it sounds like you're screwed bud. If there are kids at my house that I haven't trained or that I don't trust then I will either have the gun on my person or then and only then would it be locked away.

At night, the house is locked down. Every door and window armed. 8 cameras throughout the house active. Alarm system monitored 24/7. Motion sensors off when people are home.

A 6 and 2 year old can't be properly advised on the safety and risk of guns, IMHO. I do have an x26c (police tazer) and zip ties in a dresser that stands higher than my kids (out of reach, in a hidden drawer). If some fool was brazen enough to enter the house with an alarm blasting loud enough for neighbors 3 houses away to hear, he/she will quickly know what it's like to "ride the wire" lol.

Failing that, there is a Mossberb 12ga 500 tactical SG with serrated breach muzzle hidden in a wall on the second floor. Even the wife doesn't know were that hidden panel is.

[cgi]

If your motor skills and judgement suck that bad because you're still in a sleep daze, you definitely SHOULDN'T be using the gun period. What if that isn't a burglar in your house? Let's just say it's the fire department or maybe your kid had a friend over and he/she's stumbling it's way out? You're in a daze though, so what's to stop you from making a serious mistake?

And you can tell your kids how to handle a weapon until you're blue in the face and that doesn't mean they're not going to do something they shouldn't be doing? Name one kid who hasn't flat out disobeyed their parents because they thought they knew better? Kids show poor judgement and you should not be trusting that your kids are going to be handling your weapons safely. You always assume they wont and prepare for that.

All it takes is for you to forget the combination of your safe or lose the key to your lock and you're dead. I'd rather have my primary home defense gun ready to use.

[RaginCajun]

there should be. Bad parenting, neglect, and ignorance are to blame for things like this happening. A proper gun owner should not have to lock his guns up, because they would teach their children at a young age how to handle and respect the firearms. Just like fences and gates around pools. All the time kids drown here in vegas in their own pools. Why not teach your kids how to swim? Especially if you live in a house that has a pool. Ignorance

this!!!

[Honkey_Kong]

All it takes is for you to forget the combination of your safe or lose the key to your lock and you're dead. I'd rather have my primary home defense gun ready to use.

It's more likely that you'll actually shoot somebody you shouldn't have or that your kid will have an accident/not-so-accident with your gun than you will save your own life by shooting a criminal.

[JJ78]

I have a Mossberg like that MI. Me likey.

Im saying it come down to failure as a parent. Not all kids who have shitty parents turn into rampaging psychos, but.

If you look at kids that go on shooting rampages, they all are obviously shown signs of being a little twisted, and the parents should have picked up on this. They have failed as parents for many reasons. One being:
Not locking up their firearms around a ****ed up kid, or neglecting to notice the fact that there was something wrong with the litle bastard.

[evander87]

I'm of the belief that it should be mandatory for every gun owner to buy a safety lock for every gun that they own at the time of the purchase. The gun background checks should also check to see if the owner has purchased a safe PRIOR to the sale of the gun.

Fuuuuck that!

My house IS my safe. I live alone why should I have to buy a gun lock or a gun safe when no one has access to my guns but me?

[MuscleInk]

I have a Mossberg like that MI. Me likey.

Im saying it come down to failure as a parent. Not all kids who have shitty parents turn into rampaging psychos, but.

If you look at kids that go on shooting rampages, they all are obviously shown signs of being a little twisted, and the parents should have picked up on this. They have failed as parents for many reasons. One being:
Not locking up their firearms around a ****ed up kid, or neglecting to notice the fact that there was something wrong with the litle bastard.

I haven't had a chance to use the 500 yet. The last range I went to didn't allow pistol grip shot guns. Weird.

My favorite SG is my Benelli M4 semiauto. That baby cycles through rounds like nobody's business and without needing to manually pump/chamber the next round. Last week I saw an X-Rail attachment for the M4. It allows you to cycle up to 25 rounds - awesome!!!!! Unfortunately I can't have that in California because that would be too much fun and we aren't allowed to have any of THAT out here!!!! Lol

[JJ78]

Mine is too. I don't have any kids. Nobody comes in my house without me there. My wife is comfortable handling her and my guns. well not the Mossberg.

I have multiple guns in strategic hidden spots around my house. I dont want or need a trigger lock or safe.

All for background checks. My only problem is ****IN AMMO. I need some. And at a fair price.

[JJ78]

My breecher is a killer. Hurts your hand a little. Ive got 4 shot in it, and 7 rounds should be plenty to get the job done.

I almost bought this 410 rifle that had a 40 round drum at the same time for $380. Should have.

[MuscleInk]

Mine is too. I don't have any kids. Nobody comes in my house without me there. My wife is comfortable handling her and my guns. well not the Mossberg.

I have multiple guns in strategic hidden spots around my house. I dont want or need a trigger lock or safe.

All for background checks. My only problem is ****IN AMMO. I need some. And at a fair price.

My wife loves the .308 single bolt action HOWA TALON. It's scoped nicely and she makes head shots consistently from around 75 yards.

I have guns around the house when the kids aren't over but I have a growing collection so the majority are locked up. My .45 HK sits in my night stand at night with 4 mags loaded. Also there, is my .40HK with 5 loaded mags and a tac light with green dot laser. Killer precision against any would-be intruders!!!

Agree on the ammo. I try to grab as much as I can when I find it but I'd like to build an ammo plant within 3 years to manufacture.

[MuscleInk]

My breecher is a killer. Hurts your hand a little. Ive got 4 shot in it, and 7 rounds should be plenty to get the job done.

I almost bought this 410 rifle that had a 40 round drum at the same time for $380. Should have.

My .500 S&W magnum beats my hand black and blue.

I was looking at a Remington 300 WinMag and an M82a1 416 Barrett this week. Two very different war machines!

[JJ78]

That Barrett is a weapon for sure. I need to get a rifle. I really just want a nice tactical M4 Gas full auto for Christmas

Santa?

[MuscleInk]

That Barrett is a weapon for sure. I need to get a rifle. I really just want a nice tactical M4 Gas full auto for Christmas

Santa?

Yes, the Barrett is a handful. Wish I could get a 50 but California doesn't allow it. I have a .338 lapua magnum. Weighs almost 20lbs unloaded. Can't wait to scope that bitch out and blow up some targets from 2000 yards!!!

[Rwy]

Yes, the Barrett is a handful. Wish I could get a 50 but California doesn't allow it. I have a .338 lapua magnum. Weighs almost 20lbs unloaded. Can't wait to scope that bitch out and blow up some targets from 2000 yards!!!

The 50 cal sniper rifle. I know nothing about guns but on the same hand I know a ton about guns from playing video games like a freak for 5 years. People can own a 50 cal sniper rifle? Thats ****ing crazy