Logic Of My Generation I Don't Even.... AAS Uni Discussion.

[DexterMorgan]

So we had a discussion in class today about "The Case Against Perfection"
Pretty much what we've covered was, genetic enhancement, abortion, implants, AAS, etc...
Previously we also talked about alcohol, tobacco and drug use.

All we do is talk in that class. It's called the Human Experience class.

So there was a question about pro athletes and Performance enhancement drugs. I said that it shouldn't be allowed in professional sports because it's unfair for natural players. I'm sure there is many pro athletes who use AAS. "But I think people should be allowed to use steroids if they want to assuming they are not competing in any sport"

The whole class looked at me like I was talking about meth and heroin.

From the previous discussions, abortions? okay, genetically modifying people? okay, implants? okay, botox? okay, alcohol? okay, cigarettes? okay, McDonalds/ junk food everyday? okay, getting high? okay, steroid use?- omg are you crazy?

[Fcastle357]

People who do steroids, use extreme diets, do extreme things are always looked down upon by most for the simple reason, they don't have the balls or the means to do it. Therefor anyone who dose do it is somehow bad or a cheater or a nut job. Jealous haters. The same people who look down on steroids are the same people who if they could would take a magic pill to look good or are the people who hate the way they look and want everyone else to look like sh1t so they don't feel bad.

[Sgt. Hartman]

The results of the govt and news media brainwashing the ignorant.

[kelkel]

The results of the govt and news media brainwashing the ignorant.

Lest we forget Lyle Alzado.

[Euroholic]

People are just stupid. Those who say steroids are bad no nothing about them. They could not even name one type of steroid. They all just think its this magic that turns you in to Vincent urbank over night and shrinks your sack.

I really hope people launch a class action against the government for making that plant legal but not everything else. Thats got to be some form of discrimination

[Bert]

Steroids are bad...........umkay.

[Java Man]

The results of the govt and news media brainwashing the ignorant.

Yep. Kids have been taught in their DARE classes all about LSD, heroin, extacy, meth, coke, pot, etc. for generations. They learn about how the government classifies them into schedules and what those schedules mean. Steroids are a schedule III right along with the hard narcotics. LSD is schedule I. A few of the others are II but most are III.

These people get a pop quiz depth education about a very complex and broad subject base. So they lump it all together due to ignorance. They see anabolic steroids as no different than the other scheduled hard drugs.

Methhead, crackhead, daytripper, painkiller addict, steroid user. One big happy family in their eyes. I don't talk about steroids with anyone who isn't already well educated on the subject for this reason. There aren't a lot of them.

[powerlifterty16]

im not a huge fan of recreational steroid use, but then again i dont like drinking, smoking, or doing pot either. If i had to allow one drug though, it would be steroids. Steroids atleast give you some benefit healthwise and cosmetically. Pot, alcohol, and cigs are for losers. Steroids also typically go along with working out hard, although not always, and you def can get HUGE without working hard or using a proper diet. it's been proven all the time.

[Flagg]

The results of the govt and news media brainwashing the ignorant.

Oh so true. The people that swallow that crap also believe Simon Cowell produces musical artists.

They were having a debate on BBC radio 5 recently about the health benefits of AAS. Il see if I can dig it out.

[AlphaMike]

im not a huge fan of recreational steroid use, but then again i dont like drinking, smoking, or doing pot either. If i had to allow one drug though, it would be steroids. Steroids atleast give you some benefit healthwise and cosmetically. Pot, alcohol, and cigs are for losers. Steroids also typically go along with working out hard, although not always, and you def can get HUGE without working hard or using a proper diet. it's been proven all the time.

LOL don't pass judgement on what other ppl enjoy. Makes you no better than the others that look down on you for steroid use.

[Black]

im not a huge fan of recreational steroid use, but then again i dont like drinking, smoking, or doing pot either. If i had to allow one drug though, it would be steroids. Steroids atleast give you some benefit healthwise and cosmetically. Pot, alcohol, and cigs are for losers. Steroids also typically go along with working out hard, although not always, and you def can get HUGE without working hard or using a proper diet. it's been proven all the time.

Hypocrite

[powerlifterty16]

LOL don't pass judgement on what other ppl enjoy. Makes you no better than the others that look down on you for steroid use.

except i've never touched steroids.

[redhawk01]

im not a huge fan of recreational steroid use, but then again i dont like drinking, smoking, or doing pot either. If i had to allow one drug though, it would be steroids. Steroids atleast give you some benefit healthwise and cosmetically. Pot, alcohol, and cigs are for losers. Steroids also typically go along with working out hard, although not always, and you def can get HUGE without working hard or using a proper diet. it's been proven all the time.

Guess I'm a loser. damn it anyways. To all the other losers who use ganja as a medicinal aid, get a life.

[JJ78]

im not a huge fan of recreational steroid use, but then again i dont like drinking, smoking, or doing pot either. If i had to allow one drug though, it would be steroids. Steroids atleast give you some benefit healthwise and cosmetically. Pot, alcohol, and cigs are for losers. Steroids also typically go along with working out hard, although not always, and you def can get HUGE without working hard or using a proper diet. it's been proven all the time.

You are the exact type of person the OP was talking about.

Pot is for losers? Why do you say that? Because the government chooses to make it illegal?
Are you not aware of the vast medical benifits of Marijuana? It is probably one of if not the most medicinal plants in nature.

Dont be an idiot, dont be a sheep. Educate yourself.

[powerlifterty16]

Keep trying to justify your behavior by insulting others. Marijuana in the proper context is not for losers, I said recreational use in the first post. If you have cancer or a severe condition, then yes it's fine, but if you are using it for recreation then i stand by my opinion.

I also am highly educated...I pride myself on my academic success.

[GSXRvi6]

What I don't understand is the need for some humans to insist they have the right to tell other humans what they can and can't do with their bodies.

I don't give a damn if you think meth is bad, you have no right telling another human they can't do it, you are not god.

For the record I've never touched nor will I ever touch meth, but I would support someone's freedom to do meth if they chose too.

Someone dictating to someone else because they have an opinion on something is what it boils down to. People like that make me sick.

[JJ78]

Really. How old are you Powerlifter?

This is a gainst the rules, so I'll make it brief. I smoke. I've smoked since I was 15yrs old on and off. I have no medical condition that requires me to partake, but I do occasionally. I f you never have then you cannot base your statements on facts.
If you pride yourself on "academic success" then how can you possibly formulate an opinion on something you have never tried or researched?
You sir are a Tool.

[JJ78]

Well said GSXR.. Free F*cking country.

[JJ78]

Only ignorant people form opinons and judge people on things that they have no knowledge or experience with.

I am not advocating the use of Meth, but there are a lot of highly educated, doctors, lawyers, bankers, political figures, actors that do methamphetamines.

[AlphaMike]

Keep trying to justify your behavior by insulting others. Marijuana in the proper context is not for losers, I said recreational use in the first post. If you have cancer or a severe condition, then yes it's fine, but if you are using it for recreation then i stand by my opinion.

I also am highly educated...I pride myself on my academic success.

On the contrary, you're the one insulting everyone else by making a very broad statement that Pot, Tobacco, and Alcohol are for losers. Those three things have been enjoyed for centuries by plenty of great men and women, what makes you think that your way of life is so superior? Glad you're educated but damn you're not showin it.

[OnTheSauce]

On the contrary, you're the one insulting everyone else by making a very broad statement that Pot, Tobacco, and Alcohol are for losers. Those three things have been enjoyed for centuries by plenty of great men and women, what makes you think that your way of life is so superior? Glad you're educated but damn you're not showin it.

True story. I dont think anyone should tell someone else what to do with their body. Isn't that the whole point of freedom? Drugs should be legal, just like cigs and alcohol. As long as you aren't hurting anyone else, have fun.

[Fcastle357]

The less I know the more I argue. The more I know the less I argue.

[Brett N]

We are only given X amount of years to live. If what we choose to do doesn't directly harm others I really don't have an issue with it. Legalize it all and let the herd thin out a little if they aren't smart enough to educate themselves on any of it. People in general, are very ignorant and are willing to believe whatever they see on the latest episode of The Simpsons.

[JD250]

...... does someone REALLY need to explain how drug abuse effects ALL of us. I have smoked weed in the past and know several who do and YES it most certainly has a negative effect on you and how you act and perform and no YOU don't ever see that it does or would ever agree that it has negative effects. It's not "ignorant" for someone to say that using meth is bad for not only that person but for everyone else too. Jeeeesus H !!!!! What fvcking planet are you guys from? Judgmental my ass, it's common fvcking sense unless you're the user who feels "judged" and abused by all those with common sense. It's not a FREE country, you can't do whatever the fvck you want whenever you want, we have laws and societal precepts to try and keep some semblance of civility and order, it's not a damn free for all. That said, if you wish to be a slobering doper..... knock yourself out, I could give a fvck but don't preach the praises of drug use to me, save that shit for someone who partakes, I'm sure they'll buy all that shit.

[AlphaMike]

...... does someone REALLY need to explain how drug abuse effects ALL of us. I have smoked weed in the past and know several who do and YES it most certainly has a negative effect on you and how you act and perform and no YOU don't ever see that it does or would ever agree that it has negative effects. It's not "ignorant" for someone to say that using meth is bad for not only that person but for everyone else too. Jeeeesus H !!!!! What fvcking planet are you guys from? Judgmental my ass, it's common fvcking sense unless you're the user who feels "judged" and abused by all those with common sense. It's not a FREE country, you can't do whatever the fvck you want whenever you want, we have laws and societal precepts to try and keep some semblance of civility and order, it's not a damn free for all. That said, if you wish to be a slobering doper..... knock yourself out, I could give a fvck but don't preach the praises of drug use to me, save that shit for someone who partakes, I'm sure they'll buy all that shit.

Guess we shouldn't use these illegal steroids by that same logic. After all, abuse can lead to some destructive and violent behavior.
Violent assholes will be themselves regardless of whatever substance they may or may not have access too. Intelligent people will adapt their habit to fit their lifestyle without spinning out of control. Wasn't Winston Churchill a raging alcoholic?

[kelkel]

...... does someone REALLY need to explain how drug abuse effects ALL of us. I have smoked weed in the past and know several who do and YES it most certainly has a negative effect on you and how you act and perform and no YOU don't ever see that it does or would ever agree that it has negative effects. It's not "ignorant" for someone to say that using meth is bad for not only that person but for everyone else too. Jeeeesus H !!!!! What fvcking planet are you guys from? Judgmental my ass, it's common fvcking sense unless you're the user who feels "judged" and abused by all those with common sense. It's not a FREE country, you can't do whatever the fvck you want whenever you want, we have laws and societal precepts to try and keep some semblance of civility and order, it's not a damn free for all. That said, if you wish to be a slobering doper..... knock yourself out, I could give a fvck but don't preach the praises of drug use to me, save that shit for someone who partakes, I'm sure they'll buy all that shit.

Good to see you JD!

[Brett N]

Comment deleted...not worth the energy for me. Enjoy the topic.

[kronik420]

you people should be ashamed of yourselves, talking about drugs and steroids... tisk tisk..

[cgi]

Dude you don't even know the HALF of it! I've had people who have done heroin coke ecstasy PCP marijuana etc look at me like I had a death wish for wanting to do steroids. They literally go "WHAT THE ****!!!???!?" the ignorance is incredible. They don't even realize how many people are on steroids. I can point to a guy in the gym who's shredded and full with 22" arms and say that dude is on steroids and they'll say he doesn't look like he's on steroids.... well what does a dude that juices look like?

[DexterMorgan]

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[JD250]

Good to see you JD!

Good to be seen!!

[powerlifterty16]

What I don't understand is the need for some humans to insist they have the right to tell other humans what they can and can't do with their bodies.

I don't give a damn if you think meth is bad, you have no right telling another human they can't do it, you are not god.

For the record I've never touched nor will I ever touch meth, but I would support someone's freedom to do meth if they chose too.

Someone dictating to someone else because they have an opinion on something is what it boils down to. People like that make me sick.

i will certainly tell people not to drink while driving or smoke in my presence....it does effect me. i actually wish i weren't such a polite *****..i hate when people smoke around me, but i never tell them to stop...it really bothers me.

[powerlifterty16]

...... does someone REALLY need to explain how drug abuse effects ALL of us. I have smoked weed in the past and know several who do and YES it most certainly has a negative effect on you and how you act and perform and no YOU don't ever see that it does or would ever agree that it has negative effects. It's not "ignorant" for someone to say that using meth is bad for not only that person but for everyone else too. Jeeeesus H !!!!! What fvcking planet are you guys from? Judgmental my ass, it's common fvcking sense unless you're the user who feels "judged" and abused by all those with common sense. It's not a FREE country, you can't do whatever the fvck you want whenever you want, we have laws and societal precepts to try and keep some semblance of civility and order, it's not a damn free for all. That said, if you wish to be a slobering doper..... knock yourself out, I could give a fvck but don't preach the praises of drug use to me, save that shit for someone who partakes, I'm sure they'll buy all that shit.

solid post. Not only are drugs trashy, but they definitely have serious ramifications to the user and those around them.
To the person who asked how old I am, that info is located right on my profile .

[powerlifterty16]

Really. How old are you Powerlifter?

This is a gainst the rules, so I'll make it brief. I smoke. I've smoked since I was 15yrs old on and off. I have no medical condition that requires me to partake, but I do occasionally. I f you never have then you cannot base your statements on facts.
If you pride yourself on "academic success" then how can you possibly formulate an opinion on something you have never tried or researched?
You sir are a Tool.

I've never cut my dick off inch by inch(would take a whole lot of cutting )
but i can formulate an opinion that it would be a retarded idea.

[powerlifterty16]

Dude you don't even know the HALF of it! I've had people who have done heroin coke ecstasy PCP marijuana etc look at me like I had a death wish for wanting to do steroids. They literally go "WHAT THE ****!!!???!?" the ignorance is incredible. They don't even realize how many people are on steroids. I can point to a guy in the gym who's shredded and full with 22" arms and say that dude is on steroids and they'll say he doesn't look like he's on steroids.... well what does a dude that juices look like?

mike o hearn, ronnie coleman, and ct fletcher are natural..haven't you seen their vids?
i hate people who lie about being natty.

[cgi]

mike o hearn, ronnie coleman, and ct fletcher are natural..haven't you seen their vids?
i hate people who lie about being natty.

Ditto. Mike O'hearn seems like the NICEST guy but why does he have to lie and go out of his way to always brag about lifetimedrugfree? His physique is still ****in amazing no matter how much gear he's on.

[powerlifterty16]

Ditto. Mike O'hearn seems like the NICEST guy but why does he have to lie and go out of his way to always brag about lifetimedrugfree? His physique is still ****in amazing no matter how much gear he's on.

yeah, i think it's cool he always has his dogs with you..he is similar to me only more jacked..sigh.
he obviously is on a bunch of things...maybe halotestin and winny...then again idk much about roids so idk

he posted a vid benching 180 dbs for 20 but the weights only looked 140 and the clip cut at 7..idk he is sketchy.
Ronnie Coleman is 100% Natural - YouTube

[powerlifterty16]

Ditto. Mike O'hearn seems like the NICEST guy but why does he have to lie and go out of his way to always brag about lifetimedrugfree? His physique is still ****in amazing no matter how much gear he's on.

mike seems vey arrogant in vids ive seen, and i also think he lies about his lifts. ive heard he benches 600 and squats 800 which is complete crap. stan efferding barely hits those numbers.

[cgi]

mike seems vey arrogant in vids ive seen, and i also think he lies about his lifts. ive heard he benches 600 and squats 800 which is complete crap. stan efferding barely hits those numbers.

I believe those numbers. The weights I've seen him lift WITH EASE are insane... he's a super strong dude.

[powerlifterty16]

I believe those numbers. The weights I've seen him lift WITH EASE are insane... he's a super strong dude.

definitley strong, but i honestly dont think he's stronger than a guy like efferding, who is one of the strongest in the world, outweighs mike by 50 pounds, and is shorter...and more lean.
Stan also focuses more on pl than bodybuilding from what i've seen. either way it's obvious ike is nowhere near natty.
can you post some vids of mike squatting?