Phil Robertson being attacked by librals.

**bass** · 12-19-2013, 02:10 PM

I don't see anything offensive by what Phil said, he simply answered a question on what he believes in. why is that hateful? sooner or later people are going to be fed up being pushed around by the minority and its going to blow up in their face. I don't hate anyone, but I hate to be pushed around and told what I can and can't say. your thoughts?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/295095547...e-right-thing/

**RaginCajun** · 12-19-2013, 02:21 PM

Fvck A&E!

Everyone in society has a problem about what anyone says nowadays.

Too many pvssies in the world now, especially in America where you can't do anything anymore without offending someone.

I say, Tough shit, get over it!

**diesel101** · 12-19-2013, 02:42 PM

Before I say anything that everyone is going to start bashing me for I would like everybody to know I have no problem with gay people. As a matter of fact I am going to invite DSM over next time I work on my D*ck.

If I am correct and correct me if I am wrong I believe Phil didn't say anything that is not in the Bible.That whole family is very religious and the piece of $hit reporter asked him that question knew what kind of answer he was going to get.
The reporter knew that he would get more publicity by asking a question like that.
I am not saying Phil is right or wrong but lets not persecute the guy for answering truthfully(which is very uncommon these days).

**Hazard** · 12-19-2013, 03:01 PM

Here's my view.....

If you ask a question...... Don't hate the answer. If you don't like him for his view - don't watch the show then. He's entitled to his opinion just like a racist is entitled to theirs, and anyone else is entitled to their own. I hate that a big deal is being made of this.

He's not the only one and he won't be the last. He didn't say shit like the other guy about cooking people in ovens..... He also said he'd never treat anyone with disrespect for the way they are.

**diesel101** · 12-19-2013, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Here's my view.....

If you ask a question...... Don't hate the answer. If you don't like him for his view - don't watch the show then. He's entitled to his opinion just like a racist is entitled to theirs, and anyone else is entitled to their own. I hate that a big deal is being made of this.

He's not the only one and he won't be the last. He didn't say shit like the other guy about cooking people in ovens..... He also said he'd never treat anyone with disrespect for the way they are.

I am sorry Haz but you are going to have to keep you're opinion to yourself, the public does not want to hear any of this
common sense you speak of.

**Dpyle** · 12-19-2013, 07:30 PM

He has every right to his opinion, but this isn't a free speech issue.

This has to do with the fact that he represents a brand, and his comments offended customers of that employer. So now he has to face the consequences of that action.

To make it easier to understand let's rephrase the situation. In your career, how long would you retain your job if you were offending a percentage of the company's clientele?

If you owned a business and an employee was making derogatory comments towards customers, how long would you continue to employ that person?

Had his comments been offensive to women, veterans, or another race would this debate still be going on? I mean freedom of speech yeah?

**Hazard** · 12-19-2013, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dpyle

He has every right to his opinion, but this isn't a free speech issue.

This has to do with the fact that he represents a brand, and his comments offended customers of that employer. So now he has to face the consequences of that action.

To make it easier to understand let's rephrase the situation. In your career, how long would you retain your job if you were offending a percentage of the company's clientele?

If you owned a business and an employee was making derogatory comments towards customers, how long would you continue to employ that person?

Had his comments been offensive to women, veterans, or another race would this debate still be going on? I mean freedom of speech yeah?

Strong point..... I like it. That is the issue.....

**Honkey_Kong** · 12-20-2013, 09:53 AM

Here is my view on this whole thing:

Although I really don't think what Phil said was all that offensive, it really doesn't matter. A&E determined his speech to not be of the image they want their talent to portray to the public. They also had a contract with him that gave them the right to fire him if such a thing happened.

Basically, Phil has the freedom to say whatever he wants. But this free speech doesn't absolve any responsibility to the consequences of said speech. He spoke his mind, which is admirable, but A&E according to their contract has the right to do what they did in response.

Next time, Phil should think twice before doing business with a douche-bag company like A+E Networks (Hearst & Disney corporations). And really, we're just as vulnerable as he is since our employers could terminate our employment if we started saying things they didn't like.

Really goes to show you how disgusting Corporate America is.

**bass** · 12-20-2013, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

Here is my view on this whole thing:

Although I really don't think what Phil said was all that offensive, it really doesn't matter. A&E determined his speech to not be of the image they want their talent to portray to the public. They also had a contract with him that gave them the right to fire him if such a thing happened.

Basically, Phil has the freedom to say whatever he wants. But this free speech doesn't absolve any responsibility to the consequences of said speech. He spoke his mind, which is admirable, but A&E according to their contract has the right to do what they did in response.

Next time, Phil should think twice before doing business with a douche-bag company like A+E Networks (Hearst & Disney corporations). And really, we're just as vulnerable as he is since our employers could terminate our employment if we started saying things they didn't like.

Really goes to show you how disgusting Corporate America is.

I agree, except Phil if i am not mistaken was not on A&E show or any of their program or network when he answered the interviewer question, Phil still a free American and can live his own life without being micromanaged by as you well put it disgusting Corporate America. they don't own him our side of their network.

**kelkel** · 12-20-2013, 10:53 AM

Nobody's wrong and everyone gets a trophy!

Win-Win.

**tmfsd** · 12-20-2013, 10:55 AM

Yeah it's a bit of a shame when one cannot express his own thoughts when asked about them. I find it quite similar to people getting offended at someone dressing up as a cowboy/indian/mexican/any bloody costume out there, for Halloween. Pretty soon you won't be able to do anything without getting in trouble for it

**Dpyle** · 12-20-2013, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by bass

I agree, except Phil if i am not mistaken was not on A&E show or any of their program or network when he answered the interviewer question, Phil still a free American and can live his own life without being micromanaged by as you well put it disgusting Corporate America. they don't own him our side of their network.

Technically they do.

When your "JOB" is being a representative for a brand you lose the ability to have a public opinion outside of that brand, because everything you say and do all relates back to that job.

If Disney and nickelodeon were still employing Miley Cyrus and Amanda bynes everyone would be calling for a boycott of those networks wouldn't they?

**songdog** · 12-20-2013, 12:43 PM

People just have a hard time with the truth!

**JD250** · 12-20-2013, 01:06 PM

The idea that an employer can fire someone because of their religious views was the target of title VII of the civil rights act of 1964...... a quick read of that and the constitution will change your views about what A&E is doing. They should be taken to task over this simply on a constitutional basis over free speech and religious views, I could give 2 squirts what all the thin skinned gay folks out there think nor do I care what the religious view is..... this is about law and protecting our rights as the people. Someone is always gonna be pissed about something but the idea that someone can't say their piece without being persecuted for it is Draconian at best, what next, will we ask religious people to sit at the back of the bus? Surely the majority of this country is still smart enough to smell BS when it's served up fresh.

**bass** · 12-20-2013, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Dpyle

Technically they do.

When your "JOB" is being a representative for a brand you lose the ability to have a public opinion outside of that brand, because everything you say and do all relates back to that job.

If Disney and nickelodeon were still employing Miley Cyrus and Amanda bynes everyone would be calling for a boycott of those networks wouldn't they?

I see your point but still ridicules way of thinking. people used to laugh at these things, now we get offended from the slightest twitch especially the liberals, and they preach to us about tolerance!

**Dpyle** · 12-20-2013, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by bass

I see your point but still ridicules way of thinking. people used to laugh at these things, now we get offended from the slightest twitch especially the liberals, and they preach to us about tolerance!

I agree! Honestly I'm fairly pissed that this is even an issue from either side of the fence.

This is a "cause" that people feel a need to get behind? We have children going to bed hungry because they have no food, parents that aren't able to guarantee a home for their kids next week/month, service men and women over seas that don't know if they'll get to see their family face to face again, and the list goes on.

So I say remind me again why I should care that some rich guy pissed off his rich bosses and got fired.

**Shol'va** · 12-20-2013, 02:56 PM

Lets face it..it was a baited question to do just this...stir up shiat! Here is my question...Why is it that if a Christian or Catholic or Jewish person for that matter, why is it that if they voice their opinion of gays and blacks and other controversial subjects, they get slammed all over the internet and tv and radio. But if a Muslim or Mullah or follower of the Koran voices the same opinion, then no one says a fvcking word about them? Why is it ok to criticize people of one faith for having an opinion but we cannot criticize people of the other faith for having the same opinion as the the ones we now criticize?

**kelkel** · 12-20-2013, 03:05 PM

Absolute hypocrisy isn't it.

**bass** · 12-20-2013, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Shol'va

Lets face it..it was a baited question to do just this...stir up shiat! Here is my question...Why is it that if a Christian or Catholic or Jewish person for that matter, why is it that if they voice their opinion of gays and blacks and other controversial subjects, they get slammed all over the internet and tv and radio. But if a Muslim or Mullah or follower of the Koran voices the same opinion, then no one says a fvcking word about them? Why is it ok to criticize people of one faith for having an opinion but we cannot criticize people of the other faith for having the same opinion as the the ones we now criticize?

well said Sholva! if we're going to preach tolerance then lets all practice it.

**rotty2** · 12-20-2013, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Shol'va

Lets face it..it was a baited question to do just this...stir up shiat! Here is my question...Why is it that if a Christian or Catholic or Jewish person for that matter, why is it that if they voice their opinion of gays and blacks and other controversial subjects, they get slammed all over the internet and tv and radio. But if a Muslim or Mullah or follower of the Koran voices the same opinion, then no one says a fvcking word about them? Why is it ok to criticize people of one faith for having an opinion but we cannot criticize people of the other faith for having the same opinion as the the ones we now criticize?

Because they blow shit up haha

**rotty2** · 12-20-2013, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Dpyle

He has every right to his opinion, but this isn't a free speech issue.

This has to do with the fact that he represents a brand, and his comments offended customers of that employer. So now he has to face the consequences of that action.

To make it easier to understand let's rephrase the situation. In your career, how long would you retain your job if you were offending a percentage of the company's clientele?

If you owned a business and an employee was making derogatory comments towards customers, how long would you continue to employ that person?

Had his comments been offensive to women, veterans, or another race would this debate still be going on? I mean freedom of speech yeah?

While this is true I feel the vast majority of his fan base is in line with his beliefs and this reaction on what he said is only going to strengthen
his brand

**bass** · 12-20-2013, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by rotty2

While this is true I feel the vast majority of his fan base is in line with his believes and this reaction on what he said is only going to strengthen
his brand

excellent point!

**David LoPan** · 12-20-2013, 05:26 PM

When you ask a question to a old man from backwoods Louisiana what he thinks you better brace yourself for his opinion. He is a strong Christian and is entitled to his beliefs. People need to accept people for who they are and what they believe. I don't see what all the fuss is unless its a way to get more people to watch the show, or just people that get offended by anything someone has to say that does not go hand and hand with their beliefs. I am pretty sure that Christians peach love they neighbor, it does not say they have to support or agree with what they do.

Now is a Hollywood Movie star would have said something like this would it be such a big deal?

**evander87** · 12-20-2013, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Shol'va

Lets face it..it was a baited question to do just this...stir up shiat! Here is my question...Why is it that if a Christian or Catholic or Jewish person for that matter, why is it that if they voice their opinion of gays and blacks and other controversial subjects, they get slammed all over the internet and tv and radio. But if a Muslim or Mullah or follower of the Koran voices the same opinion, then no one says a fvcking word about them? Why is it ok to criticize people of one faith for having an opinion but we cannot criticize people of the other faith for having the same opinion as the the ones we now criticize?

Or fat people. It's completely okay to call a woman a "skinny bitch" but call a fattie a fattie and watch out. And look how much women competitors catch shit from some guys telling them they look like men. WTF?!?!?!?

**Bonaparte** · 12-20-2013, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dpyle

He has every right to his opinion, but this isn't a free speech issue.

This has to do with the fact that he represents a brand, and his comments offended customers of that employer. So now he has to face the consequences of that action.

To make it easier to understand let's rephrase the situation. In your career, how long would you retain your job if you were offending a percentage of the company's clientele?

If you owned a business and an employee was making derogatory comments towards customers, how long would you continue to employ that person?

Had his comments been offensive to women, veterans, or another race would this debate still be going on? I mean freedom of speech yeah?

Funny you should say that...
Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson insulted African-Americans, too - The Week

**JD250** · 12-21-2013, 02:18 AM

^^^^ The man simply shared what he observed as a poor white trash child in the south... how in the fvck do we get to a place where we crucify a man for telling simply what he observed amongst blacks in the south as a child??? Absolute rubbish, all of it!!! If that's what he says he observed how does that make him anything but honest? This country is so full of ignorant thin skinned fvcks, race mongers and media whores..... dumb asses!!

**Honkey_Kong** · 12-21-2013, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by bass

I agree, except Phil if i am not mistaken was not on A&E show or any of their program or network when he answered the interviewer question, Phil still a free American and can live his own life without being micromanaged by as you well put it disgusting Corporate America. they don't own him our side of their network.

If I'm not mistaken, most TV talent have clauses in their contracts that give their TV networks rights to fire them for what they say off camera. Their talent represents the network at all times. It's part of the celebrity package they agree to when they sign the TV deal. I think it's all bullshit what they're doing, but unless we change the system, we have to live with the PC bullshit.

By the way, DSM and Sholva, when you hear people say things that you consider offensive to gay people, does it really bother you? Or do you just write them off as douches and not care what they say?

**Brett N** · 12-21-2013, 09:12 AM

Phil Robertson is not some uneducated idiot from the south, he is a college educated business man that just happens to be a hardcore believer in the old testament. For some reason, he doesn't realize that according to the bible, we are all equal as sinners and unless we choose christ - we're all going to hell. (I'm not a religious person at all, just saying)

That being said, A&E are paying the family to follow them and capture their "reality" moments on film. If you don't like what they say, cancel the show. Pretty simple. They won't though, because Duck Dynasty is the largest marketing cash cow on TV right now and that's the bottom line. Same reason why McDonald's is still in business even though they do not provide a quality meal anywhere on their menu.

**>Good Luck<** · 12-21-2013, 10:36 AM

How come nobody is seeking consequences for the person who asked the question? The reporter... why are reporters free of consequence of thing they provoke???

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

**RaginCajun** · 12-21-2013, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by >Good Luck<

How come nobody is seeking consequences for the person who asked the question? The reporter... why are reporters free of consequence of thing they provoke??? >good luck< "He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

They get paid to do just that, and have a right to free press, also in the constitution.

**>Good Luck<** · 12-21-2013, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by 00ragincajun00

They get paid to do just that, and have a right to free press, also in the constitution.

And as phil is not free from the consequences of his free speech, they shouldnt be free from consequence of their free press

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

**Lunk1** · 12-21-2013, 11:01 AM

Not even sure what to say. This whole ****in world has just done a 360 from the 60's. The only difference is who it's now acceptable to be prejudice against. Nothing else has changed!

**ScorpioNC** · 12-21-2013, 02:04 PM

The Duck Dynasty show will probably not suffer from this incident. If anything, the publicity will draw more like-minded viewers to the show. Controversy generates curiosity. Most of the viewers probably share his beliefs. It’s important to remember, however, that A&E is not just a show. It’s a network. They have a diverse viewer base, and many people will be offended by his remarks. A&E will protect their brand. Rather than ignore the remark, they responded quickly and took action. I’m sure it was a calculated move. They didn’t cancel the show, which is clearly a money-maker for them. After a while, if he plays his cards right, they’ll bring him back.

But another thing…this really isn’t a free speech issue. He hasn’t been arrested for his words. There’s been no governmental action. He has the right to say anything he wants, but there’s no guarantee that someone has to like what he said, and there’s no guaranteed that there won’t be repercussions. It’s also not an equal employment issue. A&E is not not his employer. I doubt they provide his health insurance and contribute to his 401K. He’s under contract with them. He’s a business man, and I’d say that religion or not, a smart business man would have given a different answer in this day and age. Maybe this was just a calculated publicity move to draw even more attention to the show. Who knows. I don’t watch the show, and I don’t support his comments.

**>Good Luck<** · 12-21-2013, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by ScorpioNC

The Duck Dynasty show will probably not suffer from this incident. If anything, the publicity will draw more like-minded viewers to the show. Controversy generates curiosity. Most of the viewers probably share his beliefs. It's important to remember, however, that A&E is not just a show. It's a network. They have a diverse viewer base, and many people will be offended by his remarks. A&E will protect their brand. Rather than ignore the remark, they responded quickly and took action. I'm sure it was a calculated move. They didn't cancel the show, which is clearly a money-maker for them. After a while, if he plays his cards right, they'll bring him back.

But another thing...this really isn't a free speech issue. He hasn't been arrested for his words. There's been no governmental action. He has the right to say anything he wants, but there's no guarantee that someone has to like what he said, and there's no guaranteed that there won't be repercussions. It's also not an equal employment issue. A&E is not not his employer. I doubt they provide his health insurance and contribute to his 401K. He's under contract with them. He's a business man, and I'd say that religion or not, a smart business man would have given a different answer in this day and age. Maybe this was just a calculated publicity move to draw even more attention to the show. Who knows. I don't watch the show, and I don't support his comments.

Theyre moving the show to CMT

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

**ScorpioNC** · 12-21-2013, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by >Good Luck<

Theyre moving the show to CMT

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

CMT will be a much better fit for that show, in my opinion. More in line with their main demographic. I’m sure A&E executives are crapping their pants right about now. From what I understand, that was their 2nd highest rated program. It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out. Interesting development.

**>Good Luck<** · 12-21-2013, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by ScorpioNC

CMT will be a much better fit for that show, in my opinion. More in line with their main demographic. I'm sure A&E executives are crapping their pants right about now. From what I understand, that was their 2nd highest rated program. It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out. Interesting development.

Yup..im a fan already so ill be trying to follow as best I can.

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

**bass** · 12-21-2013, 05:58 PM

very interesting indeed!

**Bert** · 12-21-2013, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by >Good Luck<

Theyre moving the show to CMT

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

For sure, or a rumor?

**>Good Luck<** · 12-21-2013, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by AshopRep

For sure, or a rumor?

A reaaaaaalllly good rumor

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

**Metalject** · 12-22-2013, 12:59 AM

Christianity has and is slowly becoming the most hated thing in America. It represents the antithesis of what American society is told they should be tolerant of and speak no ill-will towards. The funny thing, ill-will by the majority of Christians isn't spoken. Giving your opinion on something when asked is not wishing ill-will. And why are Muslims allowed to do it even if no one asks? Because as a society we're scared of them.

And A&E probably made a business mistake with this. They're guessing that the guy's opinion is going to offend their viewers but what if most of the viewers think like Phil or somewhere along those lines? The American elite media, network society and all of those folks do not watch Duck Dynasty and as has been shown most of the viewers come from middle America. At least that's what's said. Guess we'll see.