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    Death penelaty for foreign terrorists in the U.S.

    Should the U.S. be allowed to use the death penalty against foreign citizens who are convicted of terrorism against the U.S.??

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    This is such a grey area. Well as soon as you enter another country your subject to there laws. So if they have Capitol punishment as a law then yes. But terrorists are not considered a enemy of a foreign military and not entitled those rights I think you have to trial them in the country the attacks took place under the laws of that country.

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    Is this a serious question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Is this a serious question?
    Serious enough that it was the topic of CNBC when I was having lunch today.

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    Kill em all

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    Any and all guilty and proven terrorists need to be put down. Where they came from is irrelevant. And we can put down anyone who objects by trying to stop us with force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Any and all guilty and proven terrorists need to be put down. Where they came from is irrelevant. And we can put down anyone who objects by trying to stop us with force.
    I should have added that it wasn't necessary to answer if you are from Texas lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    I should have added that it wasn't necessary to answer if you are from Texas lol.
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    What about Oklahomans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    Should the U.S. be allowed to use the death penalty against foreign citizens who are convicted of terrorism against the U.S.??
    without a doubt.

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    Are you talking about attacks on usa soil or attacks in foreign countries on US targets?

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    Russia And Iran will not agree to this as they only put to death Gays. Terrorists are ok because they are trained there. jk But seriously this little peckerwood and his dead brother who did the Boston Bombings. Well once proved beyond a doubt they did it, within seven days they should be put out of here and any and all organs that are harvestable from their dead carcass should be up for grabs by those in need of transplants. One more price the terrorists should pay for being terrorists and doing destruction and mayhem in the USA!

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    We should take away their right to trial too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshopRep View Post
    We should take away their right to trial too.
    Serious? So in essence you treat a animal like a animal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic View Post
    Serious? So in essence you treat a animal like a animal?
    Matthew 7:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by slfmade View Post
    Matthew 7:12
    Austinite 1:1
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    Absolutely, If I were a terrorist who committed an act against a foreign country, I would expect to be tried by their laws as well. I believe terrorists (those who seek out innocent people to kill), should be put to death. I'm not too concerned how, but I believe they should die.

    Electric chair, lethal injection, guillotine, firing squad, stoning, me and some friends - don't care how they die, but believe they should die.

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    These are terrorists engaged in acts of war. Send in the drones. And if they're hanging out with friends and family, who damn well know of the terrorist activities then you're going down with them. Being too politically correct gets American soldiers killed.
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    I'll do it
    It will be violent and disturbing and must be aired on all channels 24/7 for a week
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    Send them to car bomb making scho so they can blow themselves up like 21 of them did yesterday in Iraq. LoL

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Send them to car bomb making scho so they can blow themselves up like 21 of them did yesterday in Iraq. LoL
    Had to look that one up:

    Iraqi militants accidentally set off bomb, 21 dead - Houston weather, traffic, news | FOX 26 | MyFoxHouston

    It's like the 3 stooges X 7.
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    That's the problem with present United States...no fckin backbone. Shouldnt even be a question although I'm not surprised. Kill them.....anybody that is sick and cold enough to commit acts of terrorism killing innocent people should be killed immediatley and left where they dropped to rot
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    No, they shouldn't be put to death. They should go through a lengthy trial process and then kept in a jail, where they still have rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Diamond View Post
    No, they shouldn't be put to death. They should go through a lengthy trial process and then kept in a jail, where they still have rights.
    Dripping with sarcasm.... Dont even get me started about guantanamo bay and all the BS privileges they get there... No gym equipment made in us, imported from Iraq. Special food etc. I say gym equipment is a rock and sledge hammer with heavy chains and diet of hotdogs and water. Standard hotdogs, no kosher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    Should the U.S. be allowed to use the death penalty against foreign citizens who are convicted of terrorism against the U.S.??
    ok. i'll bite...

    ...so what good would there be for the death penalty for those that are willing to die for their cause?

    Do you think the death penalty in this case would be a reasonable deterrent?

    I agree terrorism is NOT a civilian crime, as it is typically orchestrated by foreign powers.

    I would suggest that we very clearly define what terrorism is, and how constitutes being a terrorist. If we already have such a definition, I'd like to see it.

    The problem is, I don't trust our government. The government is taking away all our freedom, bit by bit, under the guise of improving our security.

    My point is, who decides who is a terrorist? Once the government declares someone a terrorist, then they can hide behind the veil of "national security" and no one gets the opportunity to challenges such a decision.

    My personal opinion, for what it's worth, is to very clearly define terrorism and terrorists, and then let the military prosecute. There is no place in civilian court for a non civilian crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Dripping with sarcasm.... Dont even get me started about guantanamo bay and all the BS privileges they get there... No gym equipment made in us, imported from Iraq. Special food etc. I say gym equipment is a rock and sledge hammer with heavy chains and diet of hotdogs and water. Standard hotdogs, no kosher.
    Kosher is a Jewish/Judiasm phrase.

    Ha'lal is a muslim phrase.

    means it is ok to eat based on that particular religions guidelines.

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    I beleive yes. If you commit a crime in a foreign country you should be prepared to suffer their penalties. If we didnt kill our own criminals, then no. But we do. We also do not have public whippings, but Americans get whipped when breaking the laws in countries that do. I bet I would get my hand cut off if I got caught stealing in some muslim countries as well, or worse. Ha ha. Ignorance of the law, in any country, is not a defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    Should the U.S. be allowed to use the death penalty against foreign citizens who are convicted of terrorism against the U.S.??
    Fvck Yes, Saudi Arabia & Kuwait just passed laws, that will imprison its citizens for partaking in foreign wars as jihadists for a minimum of 25 years. Two days after this passed, a wounded Kuwait came from Syria and 8 Saudi's were deported from Yemen. Lets just say, examples were made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmaousley View Post
    Fvck Yes, Saudi Arabia & Kuwait just passed laws, that will imprison its citizens for partaking in foreign wars as jihadists for a minimum of 25 years. Two days after this passed, a wounded Kuwait came from Syria and 8 Saudi's were deported from Yemen. Lets just say, examples were made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slfmade View Post
    Matthew 7:12
    Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do
    to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshopRep View Post
    We should take away their right to trial too.
    No - but it should be a real trial not a show trial where they get to attack the government again. No liberal lawyers saying it is all the governments fault... Hell shoot the lawyer too if his client gets convicted... hmm too far?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    I would suggest that we very clearly define what terrorism is, and how constitutes being a terrorist. If we already have such a definition, I'd like to see it.
    The problem is, I don't trust our government. --Roman
    Could not agree with you more on this one. Here in the US people are being charged with terrorism who never had a terroristic thought. There is an 18 yo kid here who was playing X-Box.. got his butt handed to him and spouted off that he was so mad, he was going to shoot up a kindergarten and eat the wounded kids. Arrested for making terroristis threats. He was booked and is now facing 50 years in jail...

    McVeigh - Oklahmoma yes he was a terrorist
    Idiot in Boston - yep he was a terrorist
    this kid - nope...

    Problem is we let people who may or may not be trying to make a name for themselves say, who and who is not a terrorist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmaousley View Post
    Fvck Yes, Saudi Arabia & Kuwait just passed laws, that will imprison its citizens for partaking in foreign wars as jihadists for a minimum of 25 years. Two days after this passed, a wounded Kuwait came from Syria and 8 Saudi's were deported from Yemen. Lets just say, examples were made.
    You don't find that just mildly hypocritical when it is Saudi Arabia which is the principle backer of arms shipments via Turkey into Syria for the express purpose of supporting a rebel insurgency & jihad against a sovereign nation? As well as the arms shipments from Croatia&Serbia via Qatar.

    What example did they set? That the government can sponsor terror against a sovereign nation by shipping millions of dollars of arms and aid to those anti-government factions, at least 50% of them radicalized jihadists, but that their citizens will be executed for supporting the same effort as the government?

    I'm asking questions here, the fact that people seriously think so duplicitous is disturbing to me.


    Onto the OP's original point, and to add to TimesRoman...Yes, legitimate terrorists who's sole aim is to kill American citizens at home and abroad should face the death penalty if it can be proved that their actions facilitated the deaths of those citizens. However, where I think the American public needs an education, is in understanding that the current Taliban fighters we're facing in Afghanistan are not terrorists, but rather anti-government forces who oppose foreign occupiers in their country. The same forces who fought the United States in Iraq, who also opposed the occupation of their country, but was more so facilitated by the reckless and absolute blundering of de-baathification which put 300,000 down on their luck ordinary soldiers out of work with no hope of a future or inclusion in their own country, as well as about 60,000 civil servants who were what we'd call public works and municipal workers. So, are we including those people in the realm of 'terrorists,' or are we only including the people who actually belong to the organizations who's actual goal it is to kill American citizens at home and abroad, as the targeting of soldiers in a combat zone is quite a different issue completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    You don't find that just mildly hypocritical when it is Saudi Arabia which is the principle backer of arms shipments via Turkey into Syria for the express purpose of supporting a rebel insurgency & jihad against a sovereign nation? As well as the arms shipments from Croatia&Serbia via Qatar.

    What example did they set? That the government can sponsor terror against a sovereign nation by shipping millions of dollars of arms and aid to those anti-government factions, at least 50% of them radicalized jihadists, but that their citizens will be executed for supporting the same effort as the government?

    I'm asking questions here, the fact that people seriously think so duplicitous is disturbing to me.


    Onto the OP's original point, and to add to TimesRoman...Yes, legitimate terrorists who's sole aim is to kill American citizens at home and abroad should face the death penalty if it can be proved that their actions facilitated the deaths of those citizens. However, where I think the American public needs an education, is in understanding that the current Taliban fighters we're facing in Afghanistan are not terrorists, but rather anti-government forces who oppose foreign occupiers in their country. The same forces who fought the United States in Iraq, who also opposed the occupation of their country, but was more so facilitated by the reckless and absolute blundering of de-baathification which put 300,000 down on their luck ordinary soldiers out of work with no hope of a future or inclusion in their own country, as well as about 60,000 civil servants who were what we'd call public works and municipal workers. So, are we including those people in the realm of 'terrorists,' or are we only including the people who actually belong to the organizations who's actual goal it is to kill American citizens at home and abroad, as the targeting of soldiers in a combat zone is quite a different issue completely.

    I assume the news story meant to speak specifically of those who belong to non traditional military organizations and who do or mean to do harm to US citizens especially on US soil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    I assume the news story meant to speak specifically of those who belong to non traditional military organizations and who do or mean to do harm to US citizens especially on US soil.
    what do u think JOB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    what do u think JOB?
    I'm a pretty big believer in an "eye for an eye" but TR hit the nail on the head. The death penalty is almost a NON penalty for religious fanatic terrorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    I'm a pretty big believer in an "eye for an eye" but TR hit the nail on the head. The death penalty is almost a NON penalty for religious fanatic terrorist.
    Contrary. They consider themselves Martyrs when death occurs during "Battle", not when terminated as a POW. Either way they believe they go to heaven, but you don't go to heaven as a "Martyr" (which according to some has it's own perks). Not to mention, not all of them want to die, some want to live so that they can repeat the offense. Of course, this assuming Muslim Extremist. Not Jewish, Christian, etc... terrorists.

    Death by switchblade I say!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    I'm a pretty big believer in an "eye for an eye" but TR hit the nail on the head. The death penalty is almost a NON penalty for religious fanatic terrorist.
    so then u think death is only a penalty to those who perceive it as such?? i would hesitate to allow those who are our enemies to get into our heads too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    so then u think death is only a penalty to those who perceive it as such?? i would hesitate to allow those who are our enemies to get into our heads too much.
    Any penalty is only a penalty if those being penalized see it as a penalty. If you are into bdsnm then a spanking might not be punishment

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