Cycling at a young age, bashing.

[Cody95]

So, when steroids are brought up by someone "Under age" i see a'lot of bashing toward that individual, and a'lot of BS thrown at them. Saying you will regret it, "TRT patient in the making" "You wont be able to have kids, or get your D**k up" Blah.. Blah blah.. So i have been away from this forum for about 3 months. I am 18 as some of you may know, and i have cycled. i recently ended PCT a few months ago. 6 weeks of Test prop at 150 Mg EOD. Gains aprox: 13 pounds, 5 lost: water weight. Pretty good in my opinion, honestly didn't see fat gains. Very clean diet and cycle. I have also cycled Prohormones months before. And i understand there could be some, oh what is it "Endrocrine system" issues or whatever.
Closing of growth plates as such. Also you guys seem very sure on the fact that if anyone I mean ANYONE that cycles under the age of 25 will be on TRT for the rest of their life. So wait does that mean i need to get on TRT even though i can get my D**k up with no issues? Sex? No problem. My boys are fine. no issues. Side effect of cycling: Severe depression, That's it. I'm 18 and cycled shouldn't i be sitting here weak, tired, no energy with a limp D**k? Hmm interesting that i'm not in any way shape or form. Anyways i don't want to cause and argument i just simply want to know why all of you that "Know so much, and everything about steroids" Bash "Under age" adults about using steroids. I understand some people have f**ked up when it comes to running a cycle but not everyone does, just because you are young doesn't mean it's 100% to ruin your life. Because honestly i feel great. So just wanted to get that off my chest, and get some answers, good day.

[JDP88]

personally, i believe the bashing does more harm then good. if there asking, they already have the idea they want to do it, so i believe that they should be warned and then properly informed on technique, safety, etc...

now im not the most informative person on this specific subject but i can tell you that for one, most people under 21 think they have it all figured out... it will never happen to me, i know what im doing... even i was but its far from the truth.

now when they say your gonna have limp noodle, its from having no testosterone produced naturally anymore. its can happen to any of us but being 18, 21 or whatever... you have your whole life ahead of you. why not get a good natural foundation then when your 23,24,25 consider it? overall your physique will be better because steroids only take you so far...

and as far as right now, you should be fine for the time being, i imagine and hope so. i think issue lies in cycle after cycle for 3+ months at a time. im not condoning it or saying im 100% right but think of it like somebody who uses other drugs, vicodin for example... at first you cant tell, everything seems fine then you can look at them and just know, then they dont get high anymore, so they shoot dope, etc.... years later they get sober, then one day years after that they need pain meds for some reason, they wont work very well! because there body got so use to the shit, it doesnt effect them like it should. nor does it produce dopamine like it should, the receptors are fried. but i dont think your balls grow back like receptors lol..?

i could of thought up a better analogy but thatll have to do, im not gonna treat you like a child, but later in life it could effect you and theres more to life then looking good and smashing jumpoffs ya know. maybe kids? theres post on here with dudes in there 20"s, mid cycle that say they have no swimmers in there load at the moment!? cant be good man...

but hey, what do i know, i dont have it all figured out anymore ya know....

[kronik420]

well good for you..

[Cody95]

Anyone that may be thinking this, i'm not trying to come off as cocky or implying that i know everything and that i was certain that i was going to be fine, because i didn't. About half way in my cycle it kinda hit me like what the f**ck am i doing and kinda freaked me out but i wanted to finish what i started. And JDP88 i agree with you on the bashing doing more harm then good because honestly people should be supportive and give technique and safety tips ect, and not be a D**k and make the person feel like sh*t for asking questions and such.

[JDP88]

your right but at the same time it is like wtf are you doing you know... even with me, 2.5 kids, 26, i get like that... had a sterile abcess not long ago, but still its not a game. most people think there some aa fairy that lets them get swole at first til they realize. i dunno, this is controversial shit that i really didnt want to even comment on but i wanted the replys to head in a decent direction for once... your gonna keep doin what you want but just remember one day you will want kids and you could potentially sacriface that for some gains and a phat ass ya know. we all do it for different reasons but think about what i said about theyll only do so much, getting a good foundation naturally will allow a better physique in the end. btw, you did kinda come off like a smart ass true or not, if you phrase things a lil different youll get much b etter responses, not just in here but throughout life lol... youll get it all someday, no pun intended.

[Cody95]

Yeah i know it's not a game, i've been training sense i was 13 so at'least i know how to train naturally and make gains and didn't come on here like "Hey i've been training for a couple months and i want to start using steroids" Haha but i still know it wasn't the best decision i've made and i don't plan on cycling again anytime soon, maybe in the future. I did not mean to come off like a smart ass although i do see that i did, but my mind was just overflown with words so i just let it out.

[brazey]

Wrong section for this since you are not introducing yourself. However, congrats on your success so far and good luck in the future.

The info given to the young pertains to over 90% of them. There are always exceptions and you might be one of them, who knows.

Many issues in the body occur/begin at the cellular level and might not show up for many years to come. Similar to one with poor eating habits. Many modern diseases are the result of a poor diet. One can generally get away with that for 20, 30 or more years. When it does catch up to them they are told its because of aging. In reality it is most often the result of years of neglecting and abusing the body with poor nutrition.

The same principle applies here with aas use. Problems might not show up for many years and if/when they do they will probably be blamed on something else. Good luck my friend. Enjoy the forums and keep us posted.

[Back In Black]

Wrong section!!!!

I'll have it moved.

[BG]

^^Done

[lovbyts]

Wow well you just proved everyone wrong. I mean after 3 months it's obvious that you could not possibly have any issues down the road and I'm sure that you would automatically know if some other medical or emotional issue was to arise say 3, 6 months, 1 or even 2 years you would know if it was due to running a cycle at 18.

It' really doesnt matter that we see kids all the time months after a cycle who have many of the symptoms that go along with hormone imbalance, does it? I mean obviously you are 100% fine. And since you are fine it's only make sense that everyone giving the warnings must be blowing smoke and the science that shows how it can damage your hpta must be wrong.

I'm so glad you let us all know so now I can go back in time and start to cycle when I was 18.

[thisAngelBites]

Sex? No problem. My boys are fine. no issues. Side effect of cycling: Severe depression, That's it. I'm 18 and cycled shouldn't i be sitting here weak, tired, no energy with a limp D**k? Hmm interesting that i'm not in any way shape or form. Anyways i don't want to cause and argument I understand some people have f**ked up when it comes to running a cycle but not everyone does, just because you are young doesn't mean it's 100% to ruin your life. Because honestly i feel great. So just wanted to get that off my chest, and get some answers, good day.

I'm glad you're not having any problems, but it ain't over yet. There are lots of kids who post on here who cycled a year ago, and were fine, and now cannot get it up. It's a fact easily substantiated by reading on the forum. Young people who want to cycle seem to magically not see those posts.

i just simply want to know why all of you that "Know so much, and everything about steroids" Bash "Under age" adults about using steroids. I understand some people have f**ked up when it comes to running a cycle but not everyone does, just because you are young doesn't mean it's 100% to ruin your life.

We are basing it on the many kids who come here who complain of all the expected problems that comes from fvcking up your endocrine system. We are basing our advice on the epidemic of young guys on this forum with ED, hundreds and hundreds of them.

And no one here thinks it is 100% sure that you're going to fvck yourself up (because that would be downright stupid, and we do know better than that), but many of us think it is dumb and irrational to risk being depressed and impotent at 22 for something like being a bit bigger, when you can be bigger safely through diet and exercise. And so what if the risk turns out to be only 90% it's going to ruin your life? It's still incredibly stupid - that's my view. If someone does it, and happens to not have any hormonal problems in the next five years, then they are lucky, but just because someone wins the lottery occasionally it doesn't mean lottery tickets are a smart investment.

[Bigshotvictoria]

Listen, telling the truth isn't bashing. Maybe you will make it to 30 and not have issues. You would be the exception, not the rule. Wanna cycle at 18? Be my guest. Need help with TRT in the next couple years? We're here to help (well, many are, i know little about HRT personally). Don't like what you're being told? Leave. Find a forum that will tell you the BS that you want to hear, not the hard truth you need to hear.

BTW, if that's you in your AVI, it would seem like you have a TON of gains that can be made naturally. But not in time for the beach...

Want to learn? Want to contribute? Want to help others hit their goals and do so yourself in the fastest and safest way possible? Shut your mouth, check your ego at the door, and actually listen instead of acting exactly like I did at 18!!!!

[Cody95]

Wrong section!!!!

I'll have it moved.

Yeah sorry about that i have not been on here in months and forgot how to post.

[MuscleInk]

This topic comes up often. Today it's Cody's thread, next month it'll be another young guy.

Does every young guy who runs steroids have a problem? No......and does every person who smokes get lung cancer, No. In both cases though, I'm certainly not going to recommend someone to do something that as a medical professional I believe is both unnecessary and potentially harmful no matter how badly they think they "need" to do it.

Something you're overlooking is experience and knowledge. Many of the members who oppose steroid use in young men have used steroids for years, have tens of thousands of posts on this board, and have seen young men injure themselves. Some young guys come here with a few posts and act like we owe them something. We owe them nothing. We will advise them on what we feel is safe and appropriate use, even if our recommendations are not aligned with the young man's desire to use steroids.

The argument that we should advise them on safe use if they are going to use steroids anyway, is quite simply, ridiculous and overused on here. You aren't always going to hear what you want or get what you want. Why should advice on steroid use be any different? The guys that get upset or belligerent when advised not to use steroids are simply affirming their immaturity.

Some may chose to advise; others will not. It's that simple. In the end, the decision to use steroids is a personal choice that comes with responsibility and accountability. If you chose to use and something goes wrong, accept the consequences and don't whine like a bitch (Cody, this isn't directed at you, just a general comment). Remember too, the absence of problems today is no guarantee that problems will not arise in the future.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Listen, telling the truth isn't bashing. Maybe you will make it to 30 and not have issues. You would be the exception, not the rule. Wanna cycle at 18? Be my guest. Need help with TRT in the next couple years? We're here to help (well, many are, i know little about HRT personally). Don't like what you're being told? Leave. Find a forum that will tell you the BS that you want to hear, not the hard truth you need to hear.

BTW, if that's you in your AVI, it would seem like you have a TON of gains that can be made naturally. But not in time for the beach...

Want to learn? Want to contribute? Want to help others hit their goals and do so yourself in the fastest and safest way possible? Shut your mouth, check your ego at the door, and actually listen instead of acting exactly like I did at 18!!!!

This ^^^

It's called "manning up." The big disadvantage you have, OP, is the lack of experience...just everyday, get up, put your clothes on, go to work, and attend the school of hard knocks. You've confused bashing for people on this board who actually do care and care enough to tell you what you DON'T want to hear, rather than "be your bro" and tell you how cool you are for not having any patience or using your head...at least the one on your shoulders. But hey, congrats on the "success" of your cycle. Hope things don't go south for you over the next 18 months.

[Hazard]

This topic comes up often. Today it's Cody's thread, next month it'll be another young guy.

Does every young guy who runs steroids have a problem? No......and does every person who smokes get lung cancer, No. In both cases though, I'm certainly not going to recommend someone to do something that as a medical professional I believe is both unnecessary and potentially harmful no matter how badly they think they "need" to do it.

Something you're overlooking is experience and knowledge. Many of the members who oppose steroid use in young men have used steroids for years, have tens of thousands of posts on this board, and have seen young men injure themselves. Some young guys come here with a few posts and act like we owe them something. We owe them nothing. We will advise them on what we feel is safe and appropriate use, even if our recommendations are not aligned with the young man's desire to use steroids.

The argument that we should advise them on safe use if they are going to use steroids anyway, is quite simply, ridiculous and overused on here. You aren't always going to hear what you want or get what you want. Why should advice on steroid use be any different? The guys that get upset or belligerent when advised not to use steroids are simply affirming their immaturity.

Some may chose to advise; others will not. It's that simple. In the end, the decision to use steroids is a personal choice that comes with responsibility and accountability. If you chose to use and something goes wrong, accept the consequences and don't whine like a bitch (Cody, this isn't directed at you, just a general comment). Remember too, the absence of problems today is no guarantee that problems will not arise in the future.

Well said MI

[Cuz]

I've actually quit giving any advice whatsoever to young guys. You all got it figured out. Just remember these vets have been 18 before and they know what they are talking about. Most of them have been cycling longer than you have been alive. Food for thought.

[derekkpapa1]

There is no reason what so ever to play is safe you have 9 life's.

Oh what your not a cat.

Call me cat --- kitty kat

[austinite]

Hi.

[derekkpapa1]

Hello kitty meow

[derekkpapa1]

I had Chinese food today that's why I keep talking about cats

[Hazard]

I've actually quit giving any advice whatsoever to young guys. You all got it figured out. Just remember these vets have been 18 before and they know what they are talking about. Most of them have been cycling longer than you have been alive. Food for thought.

They seem to think we all skipped being 18. I wanted everything in that moment but when you get older you see that the moment you were so obsessed with is just a blip on the radar. Better to be safe than sorry. Unfortunately they won't understand until they're older

[MuscleInk]

They seem to think we all skipped being 18. I wanted everything in that moment but when you get older you see that the moment you were so obsessed with is just a blip on the radar. Better to be safe than sorry. Unfortunately they won't understand until they're older

Nailed it.

.....although at 45 I am still impulsive in my decisions at times!

[Hazard]

Nailed it.

.....although at 45 I am still impulsive in my decisions at times!

We all are lol

[lovbyts]

Nailed it.

.....although at 45 I am still impulsive in my decisions at times!

Not me, Ive grown pass that especially when it comes to women. Instead of being impulsive on what one to take I take all 3.
Time to lighten it up a bit.

[JDP88]

i agree with you guys and your right muscleink, except i think its a double edge sword... if we just say your too young and thats it, there more likely not to ask other things, resulting in more problems for them. if we do its like were condoning it which couldnt be further from the truth.

now when i was 13, i had my first son, my dad wasnt around, didnt give me rubbers and knew i was smashing... never even talked to me about it... yes, i said 13! its the same thing as sex. i think schools should give kids rubbers because of my experiences, after they tell them to be abstinent.

i guess thats what i was hoping for here... get the post going in a better direction ya know... tell him hes too young and its a bad idea but hey. sounds like your gonna do it anyways. so IF you have a question, it welcome, ill answer it and not make negitive comments i guess... n its not that evrybody does it, its that some people can be asshole for whatever reason... maybe its just me and my experiences... who knows, but theres infection, infertility, bitch tits, noodle dick and the list goes on. im just wanna bring a new state of mind, or a think outside the box to this issue.

i wish somebody would have anwsered my questions is all, it changed my life... some controversial shit for sure lol

[< <Samson> >]

It's later on in life where most of us will pay for what we do now - now being any age

[lovbyts]

i agree with you guys and your right muscleink, except i think its a double edge sword... if we just say your too young and thats it, there more likely not to ask other things, resulting in more problems for them. if we do its like were condoning it which couldnt be further from the truth.

now when i was 13, i had my first son, my dad wasnt around, didnt give me rubbers and knew i was smashing... never even talked to me about it... yes, i said 13! its the same thing as sex. i think schools should give kids rubbers because of my experiences, after they tell them to be abstinent.

i guess thats what i was hoping for here... get the post going in a better direction ya know... tell him hes too young and its a bad idea but hey. sounds like your gonna do it anyways. so IF you have a question, it welcome, ill answer it and not make negitive comments i guess... n its not that evrybody does it, its that some people can be asshole for whatever reason... maybe its just me and my experiences... who knows, but theres infection, infertility, bitch tits, noodle dick and the list goes on. im just wanna bring a new state of mind, or a think outside the box to this issue.

i wish somebody would have anwsered my questions is all, it changed my life... some controversial shit for sure lol

If you knew then what you know now would you still be smashing it at 13 or maybe try to control the hormones a little and not go as far as you did? Using a condom is not always the best solution either. Maybe stay in your room and take care of business in private instead of acting like a dog and jumping anything you can just because you can.

You can teach kids to act responsibly even at that age. I can say honestly I walked away from more than one situation because I listened to the big head over the small one.

Just because they say they are going to do it does not mean we necessarily should still direct them. Thats on a case by case decision but most of the time it's still best to discourage them. Ive used the example, because someone is dead set on commuting suicide should you suggest what type of rope to use or knot? No it's not exactly the same but in most cases it's still not safe

[Times Roman]

what did I miss?

[Hazard]

i agree with you guys and your right muscleink, except i think its a double edge sword... if we just say your too young and thats it, there more likely not to ask other things, resulting in more problems for them. if we do its like were condoning it which couldnt be further from the truth.

now when i was 13, i had my first son, my dad wasnt around, didnt give me rubbers and knew i was smashing... never even talked to me about it... yes, i said 13! its the same thing as sex. i think schools should give kids rubbers because of my experiences, after they tell them to be abstinent.

i guess thats what i was hoping for here... get the post going in a better direction ya know... tell him hes too young and its a bad idea but hey. sounds like your gonna do it anyways. so IF you have a question, it welcome, ill answer it and not make negitive comments i guess... n its not that evrybody does it, its that some people can be asshole for whatever reason... maybe its just me and my experiences... who knows, but theres infection, infertility, bitch tits, noodle dick and the list goes on. im just wanna bring a new state of mind, or a think outside the box to this issue.

i wish somebody would have anwsered my questions is all, it changed my life... some controversial shit for sure lol

Here's the problem with that logic..... And ur about the 10,000th person to have the same reasoning.

If we off the advice anyways because we want them to doit "safely" then NONE of them will change their mind. They'll know they can just say "well I'm gunna doit anyhow" so we can advise them on it.

An FBI bomb technician isn't going to instruct a bomber on how to hit a specific target and not hurt innocent bystanders.

We WILL NOT give out advice that's not correct to the best of our knowledge. If I don't think you're ready..... Ill tell you. Plain and simple. If you hurt yourself - its on you. More importantly..... It's not on the shoulders of this website or its owner!

Also to be perfectly clear here...... I don't give a shit about you or any other person that I havnt established a relationship with. If you hurt yourself I'm still going to wake up and goto work knowing I told you not to doit. I can't imagine you or anyone else would give a shit about me..... And I wouldn't expect you to.

[Times Roman]

So, when steroids are brought up by someone "Under age" i see a'lot of bashing toward that individual, and a'lot of BS thrown at them. Saying you will regret it, "TRT patient in the making" "You wont be able to have kids, or get your D**k up" Blah.. Blah blah.. So i have been away from this forum for about 3 months. I am 18 as some of you may know, and i have cycled. i recently ended PCT a few months ago. 6 weeks of Test prop at 150 Mg EOD. Gains aprox: 13 pounds, 5 lost: water weight. Pretty good in my opinion, honestly didn't see fat gains. Very clean diet and cycle. I have also cycled Prohormones months before. And i understand there could be some, oh what is it "Endrocrine system" issues or whatever.
Closing of growth plates as such. Also you guys seem very sure on the fact that if anyone I mean ANYONE that cycles under the age of 25 will be on TRT for the rest of their life. So wait does that mean i need to get on TRT even though i can get my D**k up with no issues? Sex? No problem. My boys are fine. no issues. Side effect of cycling: Severe depression, That's it. I'm 18 and cycled shouldn't i be sitting here weak, tired, no energy with a limp D**k? Hmm interesting that i'm not in any way shape or form. Anyways i don't want to cause and argument i just simply want to know why all of you that "Know so much, and everything about steroids" Bash "Under age" adults about using steroids. I understand some people have f**ked up when it comes to running a cycle but not everyone does, just because you are young doesn't mean it's 100% to ruin your life. Because honestly i feel great. So just wanted to get that off my chest, and get some answers, good day.

Squirt

so you come here to cause grief? You, along with a few other squirts, think you have it all figured out. Bottom line is you will do what you want. But please don't come here and thumb your nose at us. We've been doing this along time, and to be frank, we know what the hell we are talking about.

I get upset after explaining the same thing a thousand different times, and then here you come, wanting me to re explain everything again.

So please, take whatever ax you feel needs grinding, and go somewhere else to grind it. You may be of legal age, but you still act like a squirt. If you don't like this board and the message we put out, you can always go elsewhere. And no worries, you will get a full refund on your membership fee.

Problem solved
---Roman

[AngeloBangelo]

I did my first cycle at 19. Nothing crazy, just what I had read is a good cycle for beginners: 500 test EW for 10 weeks, nolva for PCT... Cool, I can't wait!

I made huge gains, and handled my PCT okay. After my cycle, I waited my 16 weeks (time on = time off, plus PCT), and figured I'd do another cycle of test, maybe add a low dose of dianabol or something. The only problem is that I felt awful. I felt bad mentally and physically. I made a doctor's appointment, and was up front with her about my use. Everything came back low. Slightly below 300ng/dl... SGBH... Everything was shit.

I did everything I was told, and still just got unlucky I guess. It's the dice you roll I suppose. Anyway, I am on TRT in my late 20's.

The scar tissue and shit from competing/frequent injections is already painful in some spots. I take homeopathy to try to help, and it does help a bit in my delts and glutes. I can't wait to see what pinning is like at 50, haha.

The point is: Just because you recovered at 18 doesn't mean everyone will. You can NEVER tell someone that one cycle will be fine and they will fully recover as long as they stick to the rules. Realize that never recovering from your cycle is always a risk you take, regardless of the simplicity of the compounds. There's always that 0.01% chance that even if you do EVERYTHING you're supposed to, you will never recover. Think about that before telling a kid "Yeah dude. I did a cycle at 18 and I'm fine. Just stick with 'test only' and you'll be fine."

[marcus300]

kids lmfao no fuking idea at all but one day they will...lol

[AngeloBangelo]

kids lmfao no fuking idea at all but one day they will...lol

Indeed. The stuff you need to know at 21 years old, you don't learn until you're like 27.

[kelkel]

Nailed it.

.....although at 45 I am still impulsive in my decisions at times!

45? Hell, you're just hitting your stride....

[Hazard]

Indeed. The stuff you need to know at 21 years old, you don't learn until you're like 27.

Or 30 lol

[JDP88]

i dont have an "ax to grind", and i dont think i have everything in life figured out. im not trying to start an argument either... i clearly said i totally agree with everything thats been said here, I dont think im right and i dont think your wrong... what i do think is we should always try to elevate our minds and evaluate are ways of thinking is all. our experiences make us who we are, all i said was think outside the box a little. its a double edge sword either way your gonna look at it. its controversial. which sucks... and i apologized if what i said got under anybody's skin, not my intention. but theres more than one way too look at it, both are logical and within reason...

and to say things like " acting like a dog and jumping everything you can" i find offensive, i was a 13 year old child who knew nothing, nor do you know anything about my personal life, so assuming things like that isnt right... ecspecially when i made the mistake of confiding my personal life to show possible reason, not for it to be a tool to extort rude suggestions from...

knew i should of kept my mouth shut and kept scolling lol... too late. sorry if i annoyed anybody, i didnt realize it was almost a rule, i just think we should always look at things from a different perspective even if we dont agree or understand it... theres always something you can learn.

[Times Roman]

i dont have an "ax to grind", and i dont think i have everything in life figured out. im not trying to start an argument either... i clearly said i totally agree with everything thats been said here, I dont think im right and i dont think your wrong... what i do think is we should always try to elevate our minds and evaluate are ways of thinking is all. our experiences make us who we are, all i said was think outside the box a little. its a double edge sword either way your gonna look at it. its controversial. which sucks... and i apologized if what i said got under anybody's skin, not my intention. but theres more than one way too look at it, both are logical and within reason...

and to say things like " acting like a dog and jumping everything you can" i find offensive, i was a 13 year old child who knew nothing, nor do you know anything about my personal life, so assuming things like that isnt right... ecspecially when i made the mistake of confiding my personal life to show possible reason, not for it to be a tool to extort rude suggestions from...

knew i should of kept my mouth shut and kept scolling lol... too late. sorry if i annoyed anybody, i didnt realize it was almost a rule, i just think we should always look at things from a different perspective even if we dont agree or understand it... theres always something you can learn.

you've been here a month and say we need to look at things with a different perspective? there are so many "different" ways of looking at this discussion. You may not be familiar with them all, but I am and most of the others are too.

Stick around and put some miles on them tires, you'll see what I'm talking about. Just because it is new to you doesn't mean it's new to us.

Kapeesh?

---Roman

[king6 II]

I had Chinese food today that's why I keep talking about cats

[ghettoboyd]

I don't know if it was already mentioned yet but the fact is is that if someone whom is "to young" for aas is still going to do them anyways, well there is no one standing in there way of gathering there own information bye reading the countless threads in the stickys in every forum and member cycle logs...no one here is going to spoon feed anyone...just saying...