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    Should Humanity Try to Contact Intelligent Aliens?

    Interesting subject. Should we, or should we not? That is the question!

    Should Humanity Try to Contact Intelligent Aliens?

    By by Leonard David, SPACE.comís Space Insider Columnist

    Astronomers have detected nearly 2,000 alien planets to date. As that number continues to rise, so too does the prospect of finding intelligent extraterrestrial life.


    In terms of the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI), it may no longer be a matter of answering the "are we alone" question, some scientists say. Rather, just how crowded is the universe?

    And if ET is out there, it may be possible to reach out with direct "radio waving" to potentially habitable exoplanets. This form of cosmic cryptography, called "Active SETI," involves no longer merely listening for a signal but purposefully broadcasting to, and perhaps establishing contact with, other starfolk. [13 Ways to Hunt Intelligent Alien Life]

    Active SETI sounds like science fiction, but some astronomers are discussing it seriously today. The idea is, as it has been in the past, a controversial, hot-button issue, with some researchers wary of sending signals out to touch base with intelligent aliens.


    Work in progress

    "Itís a subject of discussion, Iíll put it that way," said Seth Shostak, senior astronomer at the SETI Institute in Mountain View, Calif. There have been many workshops and symposia over the years to discuss Active SETI, he said, and because it has a highly emotional component, "itís like a third rail in a way," he said.

    Shostak told Space.com that he feels the topic is not something to worry too much about.

    "But there may not be that perception in the broader public Ö that we have discussed this to death. They havenít seen these discussions nor participated in them," he said.

    But exoplanet detections are making news around the world, Shostak said. "Thatís putting the whole question of life in space in front of the public in a way that perhaps wasnít true 20 years ago."

    Still, trying to figure out whatís the best thing to do, in terms of Active SETI, is a work in progress, Shostak said. "What is the best way to communicate? What do you doÖjust ping them with a carrier wave and you encode Wikipedia? If you are going to do it, whatís the best way to communicate?"

    Long shot

    A few years ago, renowned British astrophysicist Stephen Hawking suggested that communicating with ET could be a threat to Earth.

    While itís likely alien life exists, Hawking said, a visit to Earth by other starfolk might turn ugly, akin to when Christopher Columbus landed in America. That didnít turn out so well for the Native Americans, he said.

    "Hawking stirred things up a few years ago saying we shouldnít broadcast our existence because the outcome might be bad for us," said Chris Impey, deputy head of the astronomy department at the University of Arizona in Tucson. He co-edited the 2013 book, "Encountering Life in the Universe: Ethical Foundations and Social Implications of Astrobiology."
    "Heís right about our immaturity as a species," Impey told Space.com, "but I think the argument is moot since intelligent civilizations are likely to be so sparsely distributed that communication in either direction is difficult or unlikely."

    Active SETI, Impey said, "makes us feel a little more proactive, but I think itís a long shot worse than buying a lottery ticket."

    For Impey, the "promising approach" is not conventional SETI or broadcasting, but detection of civilizations by their energy or technology imprints, "and that avoids all the issues of intention and communication and the anthropocentric tangle people get into with that." [The Search for Intelligent Life: 4 Key Questions (Video)]

    Great unsolved mysteries

    Adding his voice to the Active SETI dialogue is Steven Dick, the Baruch S. Blumberg NASA/Library of Congress Chair in Astrobiology at the Kluge Center in Washington, D.C.

    "I am for passive SETI programs, and in fact would advocate for renewed government funding after a 20-year lapse," Dick told Space.com. "Thatís because the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence is one of the great unsolved mysteries of science.".

    Dick said that the current NASA astrobiology hunt is centered on microbes, but surely there should be an effort to go beyond micro-organisms and search for complex life with whatever means are available.

    "On the other hand, I would not propose government funding for messaging extraterrestrial intelligence. I think we need to find ET first, and then have a period where a team consisting of scientists, social scientists and humanities people consider what the message should be," Dick said.

    Different alien minds

    However, Dick is not at all sanguine that communication with ET is possible. He thinks we underestimate how different alien minds can be compared to ours ó even their science and mathematics.

    And that might account for the Fermi paradox, Dick said. That paradox, attributed to physicist Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between the high probability that extraterrestrial civilizations exist and the lack of contact with such civilizations. Hence, Fermiís 1950 lunchtime query to colleagues: "Where is everybody?" [5 Bold Claims of Alien Life]

    "Having said that, it would be very difficult to regulate individual or institutional projects that wish to attempt messaging extraterrestrial intelligence, and I would not advocate attempting to regulate," Dick said. In his opinion, there is an equal chance that ET will be good or bad.

    "We do not yet know enough about the evolution of altruism on Earth, much less among other possible intelligent life forms, to say ETs will all be good," Dick said. "That is a hope rather than a fact."

    Directed beam

    But havenít we already revealed ourselves with TV signals, military radar and other outputs into the cosmos? Even music is wafting across the universe, purposely directed toward a specific star.

    That is true, Dick said, but itís not the same as sending a directed beam to a habitable exoplanet target.

    "Still, the idea of planet Earth cowering and afraid to engage the universe is not a planet I would want to live on. SETI attempts are part of our rising cosmic consciousness, and as such cannot be stifled," Dick said. "That this is the subject of such controversyÖitís an indication of how seriously the subject of intelligent life in the universe is now taken!"

    Consequences of contact

    "Yes, the issue should be re-debated," said Michael Michaud, author of the 2007 book, "Contact with Alien Civilizations: Our Hopes and Fears about Encountering Extraterrestrials."

    Michaud is a former U.S. Foreign Service Officer for the U.S. Department of State and a long-time thinker and writer regarding the probability and consequences of coming into contact with an extraterrestrial civilization.

    "Active SETI advocates broke with the conventional wisdom of the SETI pioneers, which was to listen but not transmit," Michaud told Space.com. "This change may have been driven by the impatience of younger SETI people after 40 years of unsuccessful searches."

    "But Active SETI is not science," said Michaud. "It is an attempt to provoke a response from an alien society whose capabilities and intentions are not known to us."

    Those most eager to send high-powered messages want their efforts to have consequences, Michaud said, not just for themselves, but for the entire human species. "There is no scientific or historical evidence telling us that the consequences of contact will be those they prefer."

    Deliberate, powerful signals

    Michaud says that an alien society able to detect our signals almost certainly would be more technologically advanced than our own, and might be capable enough and patient enough to send probes across light-years of space. Scientists and engineers have shown that robotic spacecraft able to reach nearby stars would be feasible for a civilization only slightly in advance of our own.

    Michaud takes issue with the old claim that we already have been detected or that detection is inevitable. Experts have shown that the normal signals emitted by Earth are too weak to be heard at interstellar distances without colossal antennas, he said.

    "Sending deliberate, unusually powerful signals is a decision that belongs properly with all Humankind," Michaud said. "We should have an open debate about whether or not to call attention to ourselves by making our civilization more detectable than it already is."

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    Why not? What could it hurt? The Indians welcomed the pilgrims when they first showed up. O wait that is a bad example

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    At this time I would say no. People are not ready for it and we really are a vile society. If they can make it here they could eliminate us like an ant and I do not want to be Ender Wiggins'd. I say leave pandoras box alone

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    I agree more or less.

    Let's see what's out there first, and then decide if we want to send out a signal.

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    We already sent signals out. Mathematical signals...... Stephen hawking spoke out against it and said its a stupid thing to do not knowing what could be receiving them.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    We already sent signals out. Mathematical signals...... Stephen hawking spoke out against it and said its a stupid thing to do not knowing what could be receiving them.....
    they may have been sent, but at what power level, and where was it directed?

    otherwise, we're kinda just shooting in the wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    We already sent signals out. Mathematical signals...... Stephen hawking spoke out against it and said its a stupid thing to do not knowing what could be receiving them.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    We already sent signals out. Mathematical signals...... Stephen hawking spoke out against it and said its a stupid thing to do not knowing what could be receiving them.....
    Exactly! What if they show up and start terraforming the planet and hoarding us into camps for food!!!!!!!! What if they lock us in pods and use us as energy sources? What if they make us procreate with their females???? What if they keep us as "pet humans"??? What if they use us for sport and/or entertainment????

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    Exactly! What if they show up and start terraforming the planet and hoarding us into camps for food!!!!!!!! What if they lock us in pods and use us as energy sources? What if they make us procreate with their females???? What if they keep us as "pet humans"??? What if they use us for sport and/or entertainment????
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk

    Exactly! What if they show up and start terraforming the planet and hoarding us into camps for food!!!!!!!! What if they lock us in pods and use us as energy sources? What if they make us procreate with their females???? What if they keep us as "pet humans"??? What if they use us for sport and/or entertainment????
    If they use us for sport I will fvck up austinites life :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    I'm a fvck stick
    Does that mean dildoe? Bahahahaha :-)
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    You edited the quote. Amateur hour...
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    You edited the quote. Amateur hour...
    Touchť...... Made me laugh actually
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    Any 'superior' life form out there already knows that we're here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Exactly! What if they show up and start terraforming the planet and hoarding us into camps for food!!!!!!!! What if they lock us in pods and use us as energy sources? What if they make us procreate with their females???? What if they keep us as "pet humans"??? What if they use us for sport and/or entertainment????

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    I can tell by the intelligent conversations going on here on this planet there is only ONE planet with intelligent life on it?

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    We are already here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Exactly! What if they show up and start terraforming the planet and hoarding us into camps for food!!!!!!!! What if they lock us in pods and use us as energy sources? What if they make us procreate with their females???? What if they keep us as "pet humans"??? What if they use us for sport and/or entertainment????
    I will take one for the team and have sex with their females.

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    my opinion is this... that it would definitely end up in a inner planetary war.

    We (our government/defense sector) would not just say "welcome lets have some coffee and compare notes" we would take aggressive action to detain ET's upon their arrival until we felt they were not a threat at the very least. Even then I doubt we would not keep them under lock & key for "observation & study"
    Now take into consideration if a civilization of ET's were able to receive/understand our signal/message and had the technology to come to our solar system then they obviously would be FAR more technologically advanced than us. Sooooo do you think that they would just lay down and accept the fact that we are treating their comrades as prisoners under the guise of our nations security?
    This is based upon the thought process that we could even subdue or contain the ET's upon their arrival.
    God forbid that the initial landing party of ET's take our act of "preservation" as being a hostile encounter and just start destroying us from the get go & then call for back up to finish the job.
    I say leave sleeping dogs lie cuz they're not all Lassie.
    We are a much too aggressive, scared, immature & greedy species to actually have a positive encounter with another species without trying to destroy them or capitalize at their expense.
    Heck we can't even get along with our own species if they have a different skin color!! How do you think people would react if it wasn't even human?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sicko View Post
    my opinion is this... that it would definitely end up in a inter planetary war.

    We (our government/defense sector) would not just say "welcome lets have some coffee and compare notes" we would take aggressive action to detain ET's upon their arrival until we felt they were not a threat at the very least. Even then I doubt we would not keep them under lock & key for "observation & study"
    Now take into consideration if a civilization of ET's were able to receive/understand our signal/message and had the technology to come to our solar system then they obviously would be FAR more technologically advanced than us. Sooooo do you think that they would just lay down and accept the fact that we are treating their comrades as prisoners under the guise of our nations security?
    This is based upon the thought process that we could even subdue or contain the ET's upon their arrival.
    God forbid that the initial landing party of ET's take our act of "preservation" as being a hostile encounter and just start destroying us from the get go & then call for back up to finish the job.
    I say leave sleeping dogs lie cuz they're not all Lassie.
    We are a much too aggressive, scared, immature & greedy species to actually have a positive encounter with another species without trying to destroy them or capitalize at their expense.
    Heck we can't even get along with our own species if they have a different skin color!! How do you think people would react if it wasn't even human?
    There, I think that's better....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    There, I think that's better....
    ...you can thank me later

    Ehhehehh...I actually love that show...probably because I relate to his OCD on a smaller scale of course...So you disagree with my perception of how we would react to ET contact on our planet?
    You are military are you not? How do you think our government would react?

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    Quote Originally Posted by diesel101 View Post

    I will take one for the team and have sex with their females.
    Even if their females eat the male post-copulation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by APIs View Post
    Any 'superior' life form out there already knows that we're here...
    And the fact they haven't made contact suggests we are unworthy lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    I can tell by the intelligent conversations going on here on this planet there is only ONE planet with intelligent life on it?
    What planet are you talking about. Its not earth from what I have seen. intelligent life on earth. LOL we are a bunch of tossers. But the thought of finding intelligent extraterrestrial life and having sex with it sounds good. James T Kirk sure looked like he had a good time doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sicko View Post
    Ehhehehh...I actually love that show...probably because I relate to his OCD on a smaller scale of course...So you disagree with my perception of how we would react to ET contact on our planet?
    You are military are you not? How do you think our government would react?
    I didn't disagree with anything. All I did was play wordsmith and change something. I think I red fonted it. Inner planetary means one thing, but I changed it to "inter" planetary because that would mean a war between planets. Inner planetary would mean something internal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigershark View Post
    If it gets us flying cars...then yes.
    how the hell do you parallel park a flying car?

    (with an anchor?)

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    Even if aliens came to dominate and extinguish our civilization, id be honored and excited for it to happen in my life time. I mean sure 30-40 more years of working, lifting, and ****ing may be alright but to see us all come together as one and have an epic battle for our very existence would be the most incredible event to ever happen in history, AND ID BE THERE! And if we conqoured then it would be awesome to see how the world changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post

    Even if their females eat the male post-copulation?
    Show me a female that doesn't suck the life out of a man and break his will to live. Atleast the misery would be over if they would just eat me.

    I've been dealing with the ex wife today so I am a little "anti women" tonight
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAAS View Post
    Even if aliens came to dominate and extinguish our civilization, id be honored and excited for it to happen in my life time. I mean sure 30-40 more years of working, lifting, and ****ing may be alright but to see us all come together as one and have an epic battle for our very existence would be the most incredible event to ever happen in history, AND ID BE THERE! And if we conqoured then it would be awesome to see how the world changes.
    You must of watched the movie "independence day" this weekend.

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    Nope. just sounds like a fun time
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    You must of watched the movie "independence day" this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAAS View Post
    Nope. just sounds like a fun time
    I admit it would be fun and I would have an excuse to use some of my guns
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    Quote Originally Posted by diesel101 View Post

    Show me a female that doesn't suck the life out of a man and break his will to live. Atleast the misery would be over if they would just eat me.

    I've been dealing with the ex wife today so I am a little "anti women" tonight
    I love it when my HAW sucks me!!!

    Oh wait, you said sucks the life out. My bad.

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    I would like to fight one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    I would like to fight one of them.
    Lmao.... Oh that's funny. You can't even fight euro and u wanna fight aliens.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    Lmao.... Oh that's funny. You can't even fight euro and u wanna fight aliens.....
    lol. Euro is an alien. And I could knock him over with a spit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diesel101 View Post
    Show me a female that doesn't suck the life out of a man and break his will to live. Atleast the misery would be over if they would just eat me.

    I've been dealing with the ex wife today so I am a little "anti women" tonight
    And we wonder why the police look at the spouse or ex spouse in murder cases . . .

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    It would destroy religion..... (to me that seems like a good thing........)

    We would try to enslave or exploit them.........

    Not a good idea

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