Police Shoot and kill black teen in Missouri Town

[Shol'va]

And what do the locals do? What they always seem to do they riot and break into stores and businesses and steal everything they can because they are mad that some kid they don't even know or even care about was killed by the police. this happens more and more in the US and is a bunch of BS. These are criminals who do this and nothing more. Always looking for a reason to get something for nothing. Makes me sick........

[Kozmo]

Funny position you have there

[davesah1]

the police make me sick. I find it harder to eat bacon every day.

[Times Roman]

it is hard to understand mob psychology. Sociologists make an attempt with their theories. But it becomes a feeding frenzy, where to a certain extent, once someone in a mob does something, quite often, the mob will reinforce and participate similar behavior. I'm not sure only criminals participate in the anarchy. after a certain point, regular citizens can become extremely emotional and caught up in it, and do the same horrible things.

I remember during the LA riots over the Rodney King disaster, there was some counter behavior that was equally poor. Some of the shop owners, (I'm thinking specifically of the Koreans) would stand on the roof of their shops with rifles, and actually shoot at the crowd in the attempt to prevent their shops from being looted.

So I'm not so sure it is just criminals doing this. People become criminals when doing this. But I suspect many do not necessarily have prior records.

Just my .02

[lovbyts]

Funny position you have there

Why is that? I think it's a valid point and if nothing else it's true.

It would be nice to know more details and if there is a video surveillance somewhere. They are saying he was struggling with the police and either grabbed or was trying to grab on of their guns? Dont know at this point but as said it's just another excuse to riot.

[davidtheman100]

Police aren't as corrupt as you think. Unless you're speaking from personal experience, you shouldn't judge based on what you're hearing especially without a verdict.

[WOLFCRAFT]

I live in St. Louis. This place is nuts right now. There are going to be a ton more stories about looting and stuff in the morning. A Radio Shack and a Shoe Carnival in my area (about 20 mins from Ferguson) just got hit and I can hear helicopters flying over my house. This is going to get worse before it gets better I'm afraid.

As far as taking sides on the issue...

Cops here can be real, real bad... but ghetto people can be even worse.
Hopefully the real story comes out soon before they burn this place to the ground. The looting really makes no sense to me. What the hell does a QT or Radio Shack or Shoe store have to do with the police? Seems like opportunistic parasites doing what they do best. That said, there may just be no other outlet for their anger right now. But then again, they are angry when the facts are not even out on the table yet. What a nightmare.

Been following it all here... [live] Live Feed for riot and protest in Ferguson, MO. Scanner reports, news links

[Rwy]

I have read a couple of articles about this but is the young man innocent or was he killed because of a itchy trigger finger?

[Times Roman]

quite often, the mob is not too interested in "the facts". Quite often, it is driven by perceived "injustices" that has happened to either them or those close to them like friends or family from the past. If things had been "Peachy" in the community, highly doubtful the "mob" would have taken any action.

[diesel101]

Police aren't as corrupt as you think. Unless you're speaking from personal experience, you shouldn't judge based on what you're hearing especially without a verdict.

I agree 100%

[Capebuffalo]

Saw on TV one guy walking out of a broken window with about $4k worth of wheels and his buddy behind him with tires. I now know the sorrow they have in their hearts for the dead boy.

[diesel101]

Saw on TV one guy walking out of a broken window with about $4k worth of wheels and his buddy behind him with tires. I now know the sorrow they have in their hearts for the dead boy.

I have lost loved ones just like everyone else but for some reason rioting and stealing just was never my way of coping with it.

[austinite]

I can't stand watching these thieves protesting one minute and stealing the next minute. What a bunch of gangsters that belong nowhere but behind bars.

Oh, and fvck that cop.

[davidtheman100]

The more of a trouble maker you are, the more you'll hate cops.

[austinite]

The more of a trouble maker you are, the more you'll hate cops.

That's one way to look at it. And the more of a troublemaking cop you are, the more people will hate you.

[davidtheman100]

That's one way to look at it. And the more of a troublemaking cop you are, the more people will hate you.

Wouldn't you think that if the cop was bad enough that the public started to take note of it, that their associates would have the slightest idea of what they were up to and would fire them beforehand? The demand for police officers isn't too high. It's very easy to get replaced. Instead of keeping corrupt cops they would most certainly replace them if it were as bad as people say.

[2iron]

Wouldn't you think that if the cop was bad enough that the public started to take note of it, that their associates would have the slightest idea of what they were up to and would fire them beforehand? The demand for police officers isn't too high. It's very easy to get replaced. Instead of keeping corrupt cops they would most certainly replace them if it were as bad as people say.

Thats not how it works in the movies. Cops got the cop's back no matter what. Lol

sounds like a cop saved your life

[davidtheman100]

Thats not how it works in the movies. Cops got the cop's back no matter what. Lol

sounds like a cop saved your life

Oh so because it's not like that in movies means that it's not like that in real life? I gotcha.

It's usually just a race issue. like when everyone in the world was saying that Trayvon Martin was an angel and was shot for no reason and calling the cops of America scumbags, and then when it was proven that Trayvon Martin attacked first and was beating the **** out of someone for following him the whole community stopped talking. The media can brainwash the hell out of people for a buck.

[Rwy]

I almost feel like this kid dies in vain because of what they are doing down there. It takes away from the tragedy of his death.

Police should all have cameras on them. There is no hiding from the camera on both sides.

My biggest question is why do black community leaders ignore the fact that there peers are looting vs only bringing up what the cops did. It only validates that the police are dealing with people who are not civilized and hence why they are so quick to pull the trigger.

[austinite]

Wouldn't you think that if the cop was bad enough that the public started to take note of it, that their associates would have the slightest idea of what they were up to and would fire them beforehand? The demand for police officers isn't too high. It's very easy to get replaced. Instead of keeping corrupt cops they would most certainly replace them if it were as bad as people say.

huh? Do you live in the US? It's merely impossible to find a "Good" cop. A law abiding one if you will. One that upholds the promise.

[Trevtrev]

huh? Do you live in the US? It's merely impossible to find a "Good" cop. A law abiding one if you will. One that upholds the promise.

Not entirely true. I know many cops from many different regions. Every one of them takes their job very seriously, most were previously in the military like I was. They went into the military to serve and protect our freedoms, and when they came back, being a law enforcement officer was then next best thing to serving. They do it because they are patriots, not because they get paid lots of money.

I know there are exceptions to the rule, I just have not met any yet. Guess I only hang around "good" cops.

[jimmyinkedup]

Wouldn't you think that if the cop was bad enough that the public started to take note of it, that their associates would have the slightest idea of what they were up to and would fire them beforehand? The demand for police officers isn't too high. It's very easy to get replaced. Instead of keeping corrupt cops they would most certainly replace them if it were as bad as people say.

Knock Knock, Yes David, its the real world, we would like you to come back and join us.......

[austinite]

Not entirely true. I know many cops from many different regions. Every one of them takes their job very seriously, most were previously in the military like I was. They went into the military to serve and protect our freedoms, and when they came back, being a law enforcement officer was then next best thing to serving. They do it because they are patriots, not because they get paid lots of money.

I know there are exceptions to the rule, I just have not met any yet. Guess I only hang around "good" cops.

lmao, trev! Thanks man. I needed a good laugh. Not even being sarcastic

[jimmyinkedup]

Not entirely true. I know many cops from many different regions. Every one of them takes their job very seriously, most were previously in the military like I was. They went into the military to serve and protect our freedoms, and when they came back, being a law enforcement officer was then next best thing to serving. They do it because they are patriots, not because they get paid lots of money.

I know there are exceptions to the rule, I just have not met any yet. Guess I only hang around "good" cops.

Right and these good cops never have a few beers and drive then turn around and ruin peoples lives for doing the same. (instead of oh maybe a lift home and a be careful)
These cops never or don't or never smoked weed, yet they lock people up for doing it,
These good cops never do steroids, yet they lock people up for possessing them.
They never speed yet they right people tickets for doing it.
They never lie their asses off to get warrants based solely on what they think rather than the facts.
THEY BREAK THE VERY LAWS THEY ARE PAID TO ENFORCE> I CALL THAT A ***** HYPOCRITE. ITS LIKE MAKING YOUR LIVING BEING A PAID RAT. People say they are so brave, I think most (not all) are spineless pussies with a total lack of character. What kind of man would put another man in prison for the same things he himself has done or does? Think about that for a minute.

[austinite]

Right and these good cops never have a few beers and drive then turn around and ruin peoples lives for doing the same. (instead of oh maybe a lift home and a be careful)
These cops never or don't or never smoked weed, yet they lock people up for doing it,
These good cops never do steroids, yet they lock people up for possessing them.
They never speed yet they right people tickets for doing it.
They never lie their asses off to get warrants based solely on what they think rather than the facts.
THEY BREAK THE VERY LAWS THEY ARE PAID TO ENFORCE> I CALL THAT A ***** HYPOCRITE. ITS LIKE MAKING YOUR LIVING BEING A PAID RAT. People say they are so brave, I think most (not all) are spineless pussies with a total lack of character. What kind of man would put another man in prison for the same things he himself has done or does? Think about that for a minute.

Man. You're saying everything exactly as I think it.

On my honor, I will never betray my badge, my integrity, my character, or the public trust. I will always have the courage to hold myself and others accountable for our actions.

[Hazard]

Right and these good cops never have a few beers and drive then turn around and ruin peoples lives for doing the same. (instead of oh maybe a lift home and a be careful)
These cops never or don't or never smoked weed, yet they lock people up for doing it,
These good cops never do steroids, yet they lock people up for possessing them.
They never speed yet they right people tickets for doing it.
They never lie their asses off to get warrants based solely on what they think rather than the facts.
THEY BREAK THE VERY LAWS THEY ARE PAID TO ENFORCE> I CALL THAT A ***** HYPOCRITE. ITS LIKE MAKING YOUR LIVING BEING A PAID RAT. People say they are so brave, I think most (not all) are spineless pussies with a total lack of character. What kind of man would put another man in prison for the same things he himself has done or does? Think about that for a minute.

I see your point..... It's a valid one.

The real question tho is how are we to have a police force without fault? If you have ever broken a law..... You can't be a cop. Now what? We're all ****ed.

Are we trying to say that we shouldn't have cops? That wouldn't really work either.

Sure some or a lot may be hypocrites for breaking the same laws they commit..... But what's the solution?

[Hazard]

I almost feel like this kid dies in vain because of what they are doing down there. It takes away from the tragedy of his death.

Police should all have cameras on them. There is no hiding from the camera on both sides.

My biggest question is why do black community leaders ignore the fact that there peers are looting vs only bringing up what the cops did. It only validates that the police are dealing with people who are not civilized and hence why they are so quick to pull the trigger.

I like this response

[austinite]

I see your point..... It's a valid one.

The real question tho is how are we to have a police force without fault? If you have ever broken a law..... You can't be a cop. Now what? We're all ****ed.

Are we trying to say that we shouldn't have cops? That wouldn't really work either.

Sure some or a lot may be hypocrites for breaking the same laws they commit..... But what's the solution?

I don't think anyone says to eliminate the police force. The fact is that anyone who thinks cops are straight laced is living in a fairly tale. That's the point here, nothing else. Just a response to peter pan crown up there.

Solution? Treat them the same as the public. They kill unjustly, bring them to Texas for the death penalty . They speed, cite them. They falsify documents, imprison them. They use unauthorized force, hold them responsible.

One of the reasons they keep doing what they're doing is because they keep getting slapped on the wrist with paid time off.

We are WAY WAY too hard on the public and WAY too soft on cops.

[davidtheman100]

For the most part, cops do their jobs and they do them well. There are alot of cops. So by default, statistically there will be corrupt ones. But when you categorize them all because of what a couple people do, and portray them all as the one corrupt cop you see in the news that ends up not being guilty after the trial, it makes you biased and out of touch with reality.

I'll repeat it again. Unless you have actual PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with one of these encounters, you have absolutely no right to categorize American police officers. So funny how so many people can categorize them as not doing their job right but have NEVER had a bad experience with them that's anything ground breaking.

When people nit pick for a cop to do something bad, and start pointing fingers when something happens once a year, you have to realize what a small percentage of actual cops that is. Just because it is televised and thoroughly overblown doesn't mean it's any more significant. That's where the media brainwashing comes in.

[jimmyinkedup]

I see your point..... It's a valid one.

The real question tho is how are we to have a police force without fault? If you have ever broken a law..... You can't be a cop. Now what? We're all ****ed.

Are we trying to say that we shouldn't have cops? That wouldn't really work either.

Sure some or a lot may be hypocrites for breaking the same laws they commit..... But what's the solution?

I agree Haz and I dont pretend to have one. Perhaps they are a necessary evil in a certain sense r situationally, but ist it damn hard to respect someone man to man that can do that to another person and be ok with it. Its almost sociopathic.
Also equal justice ffor equalr crime would be a good start - they get away with murder (sometimes literally) and walk where we would hang. That doesnt help things.

[austinite]

For the most part, cops do their jobs and they do them well. There are alot of cops. So by default, statistically there will be corrupt ones. But when you categorize them all because of what a couple people do, and portray them all as the one corrupt cop you see in the news that ends up not being guilty after the trial, it makes you biased and out of touch with reality.

I'll repeat it again. Unless you have actual PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with one of these encounters, you have absolutely no right to categorize American police officers. So funny how so many people can categorize them as not doing their job right but have NEVER had a bad experience with them that's anything ground breaking.

When people nit pick for a cop to do something bad, and start pointing fingers when something happens once a year, you have to realize what a small percentage of actual cops that is. Just because it is televised and thoroughly overblown doesn't mean it's any more significant. That's where the media brainwashing comes in.

You sound like a cop.

Everything you said is wrong my friend. You can ABSOLUTELY judge cops AND categorize them (whatever that means). they took an oath. Don't take an Oath if your gonads are too small to live up to it. Don't commit to serve and protect the community when you do the opposite. Don't break laws when you hold others responsible.

How could you possibly even begin to defend breaking the oath?

[davidtheman100]

You sound like a cop.

Everything you said is wrong my friend. You can ABSOLUTELY judge cops AND categorize them (whatever that means). they took an oath. Don't take an Oath if your gonads are too small to live up to it. Don't commit to serve and protect the community when you do the opposite. Don't break laws when you hold others responsible.




How could you possibly even begin to defend breaking the oath?

So you're going to categorize all cops because of the few you see on TV that are accused of breaking oaths, and being corrupt just because of a couple incidents in past years? And may i add, most of these cops were PROVEN innocent after the fact. But ignorant people will bash them all the way through until it's all actually proven that they were wrong.

I am NOT defending breaking the oath, that's what you're trying to turn it into. All i'm doing is question how a person with no personal bad experiences, can question and ridicule officers of the law just because of what they're hearing and seeing on the news.

You actually went as far as saying that NO COPS follow their oath. It's really ignorant and anti-American to say something like that. That's all i'm saying

[austinite]

So you're going to categorize all cops because of the few you see on TV that are accused of breaking oaths, and being corrupt just because of a couple incidents in past years? And may i add, most of these cops were PROVEN innocent after the fact. But ignorant people will bash them all the way through until it's all actually proven that they were wrong.

I am NOT defending breaking the oath, that's what you're trying to turn it into. All i'm doing is question how a person with no personal bad experiences, can question and ridicule officers of the law just because of what they're hearing and seeing on the news.

You actually went as far as saying that NO COPS follow their oath. It's really ignorant and anti-American to say something like that. That's all i'm saying

You just go around putting words in people's mouths? When did I say anything about TV, Kiddo? I have more experience that most can imagine. And no, I have not been to jail but I've worked in environments that deal with these cops for years. Never on the wrong side, though.

Why did you say that all Mexicans are criminals? Oh wait, you didn't. Not cool to put words in people's mouths, huh?

You're ignorant and Anti american. And clueless to boot. You're also probably a cop. I smell bacon. Uneducated and fairy land bacon.

[Rwy]

I grew up on Long Island, NY our police officers make 150-200k a year with over time. Now how crazy is that shit?

[davidtheman100]

You just go around putting words in people's mouths? When did I say anything about TV, Kiddo? I have more experience that most can imagine. And no, I have not been to jail but I've worked in environments that deal with these pigs for years. Never on the wrong side, though.

Why did you say that all Mexicans are criminals? Oh wait, you didn't. Not cool to put words in people's mouths, huh?

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Oh okay, so instead of having a source (TV) you are actually basing your claims off of absolutely nothing since we've already established that you haven't had a bad encounter of that nature.

So instead of just being non-credible, and inexperienced with any bad police encounters, you actually have NOTHING to show for your outrageous claims.

It's hard to argue with your logic...

[davidtheman100]

I grew up on Long Island, NY our police officers make 150-200k a year with over time. Now how crazy is that shit?

Huge city, long-flexible hours and good danger rate along with high supply and low demand for your job will get you that much money.

Also, the average expenses in New York far surpass that of the average city. So they have to give them a salary that correlates with the same living style they would have in a small city where things are inexpensive + annual money for bigger city and higher danger rate.

[austinite]

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Oh okay, so instead of having a source (TV) you are actually basing your claims off of absolutely nothing since we've already established that you haven't had a bad encounter of that nature.

So instead of just being non-credible, and inexperienced with any bad police encounters, you actually have NOTHING to show for your outrageous claims.

It's hard to argue with your logic...

You're really and truly that dense, huh? Kiddo, you have no idea what my experience is. I have witnessed more corruption than your little brain could possibly fathom, because Ive dealt with these schmucks on a daily basis for years. I did it for a living.

And what source is your information from, eh? You silly cop. Don't you have a speeding honda to pull over?

[jimmyinkedup]

Don't you have to put down your cell phone while driving, slow down and pull over a speeding honda?

fixed... LOL

[davidtheman100]

You're really and truly that dense, huh? Kiddo, you have no idea what my experience is. I have witnessed more corruption than your little brain could possibly fathom, because Ive dealt with these schmucks on a daily basis for years. I did it for a living.

And what source is your information from, eh? You silly cop. Don't you have a speeding honda to pull over?

My source is the other 99.9% that don't do those crimes and haven't even been accused of doing so, which you choose to ignore because it doesn't favor your argument. I'm not a police officer but i respect them. Something you should learn to do.

You're the type of person that has someone break into your house, and then steal your car and you refuse to call the cops out of a pride issue. So you just let the car be stolen out of pure ignorance, when in reality you could call the police and have it given back to you in a matter of hours.

[davidtheman100]

It must feel good to be edgy for the sake of being edgy. Probably gets you lots of poon