Why not take steroids to reach genetic limit faster?

**EquilibriumZ** · 08-11-2014, 12:50 AM

Why take steroids only when you reached your genetic limits? You gonna slowly lose the muscles cause you are passed your limit anyway.
So imo i dont see any reason to cycle after reaching genetic limit, unless u just wanna see how big u get

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but ya, why not take steroids to reach genetic limits faster and just maintain it from there?

**lovbyts** · 08-11-2014, 04:13 AM

It depends on the risks. Are you willing to risk the next 60 years of your health. There are reasons people say wait until your hpta is developed and you are at least closer to your genetic limits. No one expects you to reach it 100% but if you are 6ft and 150 lbs then aas isnt going to help much in the long run.

**Cuz** · 08-11-2014, 05:58 AM

Roidzzzz

**austinite** · 08-11-2014, 06:15 AM

I'm confused. Who says you can't?

**Times Roman** · 08-11-2014, 07:13 AM

if you take aas past your limit, and stop, you will lose your gains
if you eat a diet at or above your TDEE/Protein targets, and stop, you will lose your gains
if you intensely work out in the gym and stop, you will lose your gains

hmmmmm..........
..........I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here?

**Euroholic** · 08-11-2014, 06:49 PM

Capitalism OP you can do what you like just be prepared for consequences!!!!!!

**Honkey_Kong** · 08-11-2014, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ

Why take steroids only when you reached your genetic limits? You gonna slowly lose the muscles cause you are passed your limit anyway.
So imo i dont see any reason to cycle after reaching genetic limit, unless u just wanna see how big u get

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but ya, why not take steroids to reach genetic limits faster and just maintain it from there?

If you're doing everything right, you're not going to lose all your gains between cycles. But I'm with Austin on this one.

**GirlyGymRat** · 08-11-2014, 08:50 PM

R u suggesting eventually everyone looses gains....think humped old man walking with cane. He's lost all his gains. Or Arnold for example. Not that Arnold used aas?!?!?! Lol

**Honkey_Kong** · 08-11-2014, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat

R u suggesting eventually everyone looses gains....think humped old man walking with cane. He's lost all his gains. Or Arnold for example. Not that Arnold used aas?!?!?! Lol

You're not suggesting that Ahnuld isn't all natural are you?

**GirlyGymRat** · 08-11-2014, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

You're not suggesting that Ahnuld isn't all natural are you?

Nope. Nope. Not me. GREAT GENETICS and DeTeRMiNATIOn!

**Times Roman** · 08-11-2014, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat

R u suggesting eventually everyone looses gains....think humped old man walking with cane. He's lost all his gains. Or Arnold for example. Not that Arnold used aas?!?!?! Lol

please do not refer to me in the third person! =)

**GirlyGymRat** · 08-11-2014, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

please do not refer to me in the third person! =)

Shhssshhhh.

**Times Roman** · 08-11-2014, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat

Shhssshhhh.

huh?

speak up girlie!

I'm deaf in that ear =)

**EquilibriumZ** · 08-11-2014, 10:52 PM

Well when you get "old", you just go on trt forever and keep more muscles so your genetic limit has changed!

Anyway the reason i asked is cause alot of people here give advice on threads: "wait till you reach your genetic limits [then take roids]" which to me makes no sense lol.. Unless you are trying to scare that person

**lovbyts** · 08-11-2014, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ

Well when you get "old", you just go on trt forever and keep more muscles so your genetic limit has changed!

Anyway the reason i asked is cause alot of people here give advice on threads: "wait till you reach your genetic limits [then take roids]" which to me makes no sense lol.. Unless you are trying to scare that person

Well you have to take it for what it is. Most people who THINK they have reached their genetic limits are FAR from it.

You have a lot of 18-20yr old who say they cant gain weight or they have stopped growing. Well we know that's not true and you will still grow easily into your mid 20s. maybe not taller but you fill out, broader shoulders and such and if you take aas to early you have a good chance of stopping that growth prematurely.

You also have the guys like I said earlier who are 150 lbs and we know it's all diet. I was stuck at 155 lbs for many years but as I reached 25 I started gaining and got got up to almost 180 and never took any aas. It's all about diet and proper training.

If you dont learn how to train and eat properly anything you will gain you will loose just as fast and you will look like a fool. It's best to learn these things first and most take years of practice and experience to get even close to right.

Most everyone who is say in their 40s+ can tell you they thought they were smart when they were 18. When they were 25 they would LOL at how stupid they were at 18. When they were 30 they LOL at how little they knew at 25 etc. etc. Thats just life.

**Honkey_Kong** · 08-12-2014, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat

Nope. Nope. Not me. GREAT GENETICS and DeTeRMiNATIOn!

To Ahnuld, it was like cumming over and over again every time he went in to the gym (at least that's what he said). So he didn't really need much determination.

**Times Roman** · 08-12-2014, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ

Well when you get "old", you just go on trt forever and keep more muscles so your genetic limit has changed!

Anyway the reason i asked is cause alot of people here give advice on threads: "wait till you reach your genetic limits [then take roids]" which to me makes no sense lol.. Unless you are trying to scare that person

maybe a better way of saying this, easier to understand, than saying genetic limits, is

after you've eliminated the possibility of improving your diet any more, and
after you've bled sweat and tears in the gym for several years, and
you've tried everything you can think of, but
you've hit a plateau that just does not seem to move

then this is the genetic limit most of us refer to.

you really don't know if you've hit your genetic limit until pretty much these criterion are met.

**EquilibriumZ** · 08-12-2014, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

maybe a better way of saying this, easier to understand, than saying genetic limits, is

after you've eliminated the possibility of improving your diet any more, and
after you've bled sweat and tears in the gym for several years, and
you've tried everything you can think of, but
you've hit a plateau that just does not seem to move

then this is the genetic limit most of us refer to.

you really don't know if you've hit your genetic limit until pretty much these criterion are met.

This is exactly what i meant! Let's say you are gaining naturally and havent pleateau'ed but the progress is slow cause it's natural duh. How about now take it as a catalyst to speed up the progress?

Anyway i got my answer. Just take it when you are responsible and fully know how to train and diet (tricky part)