Max natural potential?

[jjpaki1212]

I Am 5'8 195lbs my BMI is 29.1 and bodyfat is 14.5% and i think my lean body mass is 167. I just want to know if there is much i can do naturally. Can i get bigger AND leaner or have to pick either leaner and smaller or bigger and fatter?

[davidtheman100]

5'8" you could be on stage at probably 5-6% 155-157 and that is for the top of the genetic ladder

[jjpaki1212]

Oh ok well i am shooting for 215 8% i do cycle i was just wondering what my max would be if i ever came off forever

[davidtheman100]

Oh ok well i am shooting for 215 8% i do cycle i was just wondering what my max would be if i ever came off forever

215 8% with just gear at 5'8" is next to impossible imo

[jjpaki1212]

Yea i wont touch growth or insulin or diuretics or any of that just tren and test for the most part i should get pretty close at least sub 10%

[davidtheman100]

Yea i wont touch growth or insulin or diuretics or any of that just tren and test for the most part i should get pretty close at least sub 10%

best case scenario with high high doses of gear would be 200 5% and that's atop the highest genetic ladder with high natural GH and good insulin sensitivity suited for bodybuilding...You can get decently close though good luck

[jjpaki1212]

Thanx bud!