Oxygen

[DAAS]

Is there any way to maximize oxygen carried by red blood cells other than increasing the total amount of blood cells. For example I know some cyclist sleep in a chamber that is oxygen deprived to increase the total amount of cells, similar to training at high altitude, but what I am asking is there a way to increase the efficiency of the cells? Like I believe I heard iron supplements help transport oxygen but i may be mistaken.

[RaginCajun]

EPO is what the cyclists use

[austinite]

Are you having issues or something? Preventative measure against the lack of O2 is all you need to do. iron just causes a chain reaction that results in more red cells generated to transport it alongside oxygen.

[RangerDanger830]

Well it isn't just about the red blood cells. Inside the red blood cell is hemoglobin. This is the actual carrier of oxygen. If you have a low red blood cell count then your total hemoglobin is obviously going to be much lower. However, just because your red blood cell count is good does not mean they have the optimal amount of hemoglobin in them.

The safe answer is obviously vitamins and minerals through adequate nutrition. I know your iron, B-vitamins, and vitamin C help but I think there are more. This will be the first thing any doc tells you. Another somewhat obvious answer is through blood transfusion or blood doping.

I think you are looking for something more reasonable for the typical AAS user. Well you're in luck. The usual AAS cycle has been shown to increase RBC count via erythrpoiesis. We all know that though, but some studies do show that the Hb did rise as well. I have seen this to be the case through my blood work as well. Drugs that stimulate EPO are used to treat anemia.

There are some others but they wouldn't be of much interest to you, corticosteroids for example can raise a person's Hb.

[DAAS]

EPO is what the cyclists use

Im aware of epo not interested in it though

[DAAS]

Are you having issues or something? Preventative measure against the lack of O2 is all you need to do. iron just causes a chain reaction that results in more red cells generated to transport it alongside oxygen.

No issues, not on cycle, dont want to take a drug, looking for vitamins and minerals. I am doing an endurance event at high altitude and i have asthma, I want to do as much to help as possible with diet.

[DAAS]

Well it isn't just about the red blood cells. Inside the red blood cell is hemoglobin. This is the actual carrier of oxygen. If you have a low red blood cell count then your total hemoglobin is obviously going to be much lower. However, just because your red blood cell count is good does not mean they have the optimal amount of hemoglobin in them.

The safe answer is obviously vitamins and minerals through adequate nutrition. I know your iron, B-vitamins, and vitamin C help but I think there are more. This will be the first thing any doc tells you. Another somewhat obvious answer is through blood transfusion or blood doping.

I think you are looking for something more reasonable for the typical AAS user. Well you're in luck. The usual AAS cycle has been shown to increase RBC count via erythrpoiesis. We all know that though, but some studies do show that the Hb did rise as well. I have seen this to be the case through my blood work as well. Drugs that stimulate EPO are used to treat anemia.

There are some others but they wouldn't be of much interest to you, corticosteroids for example can raise a person's Hb.

Yeah I know aas raises rbc but not on cycle and not doing one.

So b-vitamins, c and iron? anything else

[Igifuno]

You guys are smart.

What's up DAAS?

Hello Austinie (in my best Newman voice)

[RangerDanger830]

Yeah I know aas raises rbc but not on cycle and not doing one. So b-vitamins, c and iron? anything else

Folic acid was the one I missed.

[DAAS]

Folic acid was the one I missed.

Nice thank you

[DAAS]

You guys are smart.

What's up DAAS?

Hello Austinie (in my best Newman voice)

Whats up brother! Long time, hows everything?

[Hazard]

You guys are smart.

What's up DAAS?

Hello Austinie (in my best Newman voice)

[Igifuno]

Whats up brother! Long time, hows everything?

Everything's great man.. Good to talk you you. Gonna send you a PM

[Igifuno]

Damn... Do I look like that?

[austinite]

You guys are smart.

What's up DAAS?

Hello Austinie (in my best Newman voice)

Hello......................................... Igi. (Seinfeld voice)

[lovbyts]

Suck on an air hose.

If you can find a source it's not really to hard to get the oxygen bottles like old people use and just use one for a while before going to the gym or even when taking a nap sometimes to boost your oxygen levels.

You can order the mask, hosing and connector most anywhere online, the oxygen bottle is the hardest part to get. There are also some oxygen generators I believe online that do the same type of thing but use atmosphere and converts it to more pure oxygen for breathing. They are not cheap though but not overly expensive. I saw one at a goodwill once time but for some stupid reason I didnt buy it. They are not hard to fix if they need it.

[Hazard]

A guy at my gym is a concentrated oxygen dealer. I saw him taking hits from a canister and had to ask lol. He told me he sells the stuff and uses one canister every workout. To each their own.....

[APIs]

ITTP (myo-inositol trispyrophosphate) is injected into race horses & greyhounds to release more oxygen under physical demands. It works well, but the genuine material is extremely expensive. You'll see it sold rather cheaply as a supplement, but the supplement version is bogus & not the same molecule...

[Bonaparte]

Regular aerobic exercise decreases cellular oxygen demand. So quit looking for some magic pill and go for a run

[GirlyGymRat]

Regular aerobic exercise decreases cellular oxygen demand. So quit looking for some magic pill and go for a run

^^^ I think this is truth. Medical staff use that little device that measures effectiveness of oxygen transfer (I am not exactly certain what it is called). If u smoke, it is less then 100% and medical staff can tell if u lied about not smoking. It clips to your index finger.

Mine is 100% and they mention that's excellent. It's from working out!!!

[bsh]

That's awesome girly.... I was 99 today at the doc

[Bonaparte]

^^^ I think this is truth. Medical staff use that little device that measures effectiveness of oxygen transfer (I am not exactly certain what it is called). If u smoke, it is less then 100% and medical staff can tell if u lied about not smoking. It clips to your index finger.

Mine is 100% and they mention that's excellent. It's from working out!!!

You're talking about a pulse oximeter. But it only measures the percentage of bound hemoglobin in your blood and doesn't tell us much about one's cardiovascular health (where performance is concerned). And any reading over 97% is perfect and not worth splitting hairs over.

A VO2 max test is what you want to assess fitness (rather than illness with a pulse ox).

[GirlyGymRat]

You're talking about a pulse oximeter. But it only measures the percentage of bound hemoglobin in your blood and doesn't tell us much about one's cardiovascular health (where performance is concerned). And any reading over 97% is perfect and not worth splitting hairs over. A VO2 max test is what you want to assess fitness (rather than illness with a pulse ox).

Is that the breathing test? Inhale, hold and empty lungs??? I do well on that one too.

Bound hemoglobin must be good. I am not a medically inclined person...Thx for being kind

[Bonaparte]

Is that the breathing test? Inhale, hold and empty lungs??? I do well on that one too.

Bound hemoglobin must be good. I am not a medically inclined person...Thx for being kind

VO2 max is more complex than an inspirometer (which just measures lung capacity as volume).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VO2_max

Bound hemoglobin is just hemoglobin (the oxygen-carrying component of RBC's) that is carrying oxygen (or something that mimics oxygen, like CO).

[RangerDanger830]

A pulse ox is just about worthless in my mind. Very easy to screw with the reading.

[IronClydes]

EPO is great for endurance. That with training and rest.

I can help you out with the EPO details if you decide I go that route. I've done it for the past 2 years racing endurance sports with great success.

Let me know if you have any questions.


-IronClydes

"Half of any battle you face in life is just showing up every day, despite how you feel"

[austinite]

I hope he figured it out after 2 years.

[Obs]

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