Progesterone and joints - wild theories
Those who know me a little by know have perhaps allready gleaned that I like to look into new ways of doing things, most often just on a theoretical level. This is one of my more eccentric ideas, and should by no means be taken as anything other than an attempt to learn. Do not go ahead with anything here unless you're the type to try rat poison with strychnine in it just because strychnine has theoretical performance enhancement actions one might enjoy before it kills you.
Ok, this is a shot in the dark and very much outside the box. It's only for those not concerned about supressive effects on endogenous T also.
(And who preferably have done a gyno operation also)
Women could also contribute here, as their experience, (which may be the only thing to go on here)
Perhaps could enlighten me as well.
(When I say it's for those and those, that is still on a theoretical level)
So, nandrolone which have progestin activity seem to heal joints better than many other AAS. Trenbolone however, is not famed to do so, and it also has progestin activity.
I've been looking at the agent norgestrel, or levo-norgestrel (it's only the levo isomer that's bioactive)
for use, especially for tissue repair in tendons.
Levonorgestrel has the following relative binding affinities:
(Relative to T at the AR, relative to E2 at the ER, and so on)
58% AR (T would have 100)
332% PR (progesterone have 100, etc)
7,5% Glucocorticoid
17% Mineralcorticoid
(Unless it's got antagonist activity at the Mineralcorticoid receptor I'd think water retention might be a tiny issue here!)
Ok, that's just one agent I looked at, other might be more suitable. But LNG (levonorgestrel) has a history of use in men combined with T as a contraceptive, though that doesn't really mean much more than it being very supressive) it's also easily available.
But does progestins (or progesterone) do anything with tendons?
Yes they do according to research and feedback from women.
But what do they do?
They seem to be able to both cause and alleviate joint pain.
They cause pain by acting on the collagen in joints, making the joints more flexible, or loose would be a better term, thus causing hyper mobility. This only seems to happen when there's a lack of estrogen though.
Joint pain can also be alleviated by progesterone, some women actually using progesterone cream on their joints. (Although this only makes sense with tendons near the surface of the skin, like in the shoulder)
Now, there are countless other things to look at than progesterone and progestins.
However, I'd want to investigate if they can in fact be used for this, (or any other performance enhancing purpose) in both men and women.
So, anyone got any thoughts on this besides its crazy?