Elevated PSA finally Had biopsy came back positive for CANCER

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Now to decide treatment ?

I was called by my Urologist at 1:00 pm Fri. 1/6/17

I have not even been able to discuss options with him due to time restraints ?
. . . . . He mentioned 6 weeks of radiation 5 days a week and 2 hours a day ?
. . . . . Also removal , Not really sure what to do yet ?

I have been numb ? Have been in denial for a year !

Dr did not have time to discuss options with me ?


ANY GUYS WITH EXPERIENCE ?

[Mr.BB]

Sorry to hear

Read this: http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/con...spc-044303.pdf

And discuss all the options with your doctor, "no time to discuss" is NOT acceptable.

Make sure you ask all your doubts, and then ask for a second opinion.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Thank you for your reply , I will read the tag .

Are you suggesting another Biopsy ?
From another Dr. ?

Sorry to hear

Read this: http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/con...spc-044303.pdf

And discuss all the options with your doctor, "no time to discuss" is NOT acceptable.

Make sure you ask all your doubts, and then ask for a second opinion.

[Mr.BB]

No, not biopsy. Prostate biopsy is very rudimentary, they randomly poke your prostate in 12 spots, and collect cells from those spots, they can easily miss as its totally random.

Strongly suggest an MRI, or at very least ultrasound, or you had any imaging scan already??

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I have read you tag now and know just enough to be dangerous ! I have a finger test and Ultra sound and Dr said no signs , no MRI , then the biopsy 7 of 12 showed signs of cancer . I do not know my Glesen score or stage or if it has spread , I only found out Fri and was in shock ! Just started research today and the tag you shared was awesome !

I do not want to do anything if slow growing and just live out life ! I am 57 and was very unhealthy health wise before TRT ! I mean no quality of life ! To give up TRT would not be worth 5 years of life if I had 10 quality years left !

No, not biopsy. Prostate biopsy is very rudimentary, they randomly poke your prostate in 12 spots, and collect cells from those spots, they can easily miss as its totally random.

Strongly suggest an MRI, or at very least ultrasound, or you had any imaging scan already??

[Mr.BB]

I have read you tag now and know just enough to be dangerous ! I have a finger test and Ultra sound and Dr said no signs , no MRI , then the biopsy 7 of 12 showed signs of cancer . I do not know my Glesen score or stage or if it has spread , I only found out Fri and was in shock ! Just started research today and the tag you shared was awesome !

I do not want to do anything if slow growing and just live out life ! I am 57 and was very unhealthy health wise before TRT ! I mean no quality of life ! To give up TRT would not be worth 5 years of life if I had 10 quality years left !

What was the text on the ultrasound report? Can you copy it here?

Edit: Thanks for you sharing your situation! Many of us here will likely find ourselves in your shoes sooner or later, as prostate cancer has a relatively high incidence, the more we are aware of procedures and what to do, the more we are in a better situation to help ourselves.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Really from being on this forum I am somewhat suspect to Dr's and their failure to admit their short comings ! My Dr was all positive and implied I had nothing to worry about from the physical test ( Feel Test ) ; still the same after the Ultra Sound and at 1st stated he was only going to do 4 pricks with the biopsy. Then did the 12 as you stated and now 2 days after the test I need radiation or removal ? He said " WE " we're lucky and caught it early ? There is no we just me and I have a blank check from the VA. for him to spend as he sees fit ? So why should I not request an MRI and why should he object ?

I never saw the Ultra Sound TEXT !

What was the text on the ultrasound report? Can you copy it here?

Edit: Thanks for you sharing your situation! Many of us here will likely find ourselves in your shoes sooner or later, as prostate cancer has a relatively high incidence, the more we are aware of procedures and what to do, the more we are in a better situation to help ourselves.

I will be contacting the Urologist Mon and see if they will email me the text from the Ultra Sound ? Also to see when my next appointment will be . When the Dr called me Fri . I told him I thought the 20th and he said fine ? Did not seem to urgent to him to get things moving from his comments ? Another reason for my lack of confidence is his suggestion ! I was very pleased with him until Fri . But still no reason to shoot the messenger

[Mr.BB]

Yes, ask for the ultrasound report.

Did your urologist performed the ultrasound himself? It is ussualy done by a ultrasound specialist doctor, which makes a report for your doctor. This report contains images (nowadays they include a CD) and the text of the report where is describes what the scan detected, prostate size, texture, anything relevant.

An MRI will have a much better detail of the prostate and surronding areas. There will also be a report of the MRI (same as the ultrasound).

This reports are yours, you are the patient, your have the right to keep'em.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Roger . The Ultra Sound was done in his office by a tech . I have had MRI's done in the past . I go for a Dye MRI Mon. tomorrow for my ortho ? Said my right hip is bone on bone . this was damaged in 02 when I was ran over by a truck ! I had a left hip implant at that time and recently the right has been causing me considerable amount of pain , all up my back and when walking on hard surfaces !

Yes, ask for the ultrasound report.

Did your urologist performed the ultrasound himself? It is ussualy done by a ultrasound specialist doctor, which makes a report for your doctor. This report contains images (nowadays they include a CD) and the text of the report where is describes what the scan detected, prostate size, texture, anything relevant.




An MRI will have a much better detail of the prostate and surronding areas. There will also be a report of the MRI (same as the ultrasound).

This reports are yours, you are the patient, your have the right to keep'em.

[BG]

Many of us here will likely find ourselves in your shoes sooner or later, as prostate cancer has a relatively high incidence

My biggest worry.

[GirlyGymRat]

My biggest worry.

Seems if a fella lives long enough, it happens.

There's an older fella at the gym who was diagnosed. Since it's slow growth, he doesn't get treated. Says he would rather die from cancer then deal with the loss of his "maleness". He claims to have researched extensively and the only reason doctors want u to get surgery is for their financial benefit.

For what it's worth....

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I am of the same mind set . I am having some deep thoughts as to whether to cut or do radiation ! Not sold on the treatment and operation ! Thanks for the input !

Seems if a fella lives long enough, it happens.

There's an older fella at the gym who was diagnosed. Since it's slow growth, he doesn't get treated. Says he would rather die from cancer then deal with the loss of his "maleness". He claims to have researched extensively and the only reason doctors want u to get surgery is for their financial benefit.

For what it's worth....

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I am getting a 2nd opinion , MRI , and really not inclined to do anything but require more info to make a decision !

MORE INPUT REQUESTED AS TO DOING NOTHING ?

[Zodiac82]

Sorry to hear that BMP

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

THANKS and just really starting to soak in and realize there are many options and much 411 is required to make an educated decision besides just do what the Dr says that is working for a living and has a blank check from the VA !

BB really just shared info with me and I began to figure out the rest ! Money is the motivator and as we say on this forum " You personal health and well being is your responsibility ! Not the Dr's ! "

Sorry to hear that BMP

[Nixter]

That being said, medical professionals spend years in training, learning the best of what medical science has taught us. My only advice is please don't head down some kooky alternative medicine path because of a misguided distrust of the medical system and or "big pharma" Seek 2nd opinions but always follow the path of critical thinking. This can be especially difficult when it's your own health on the line but it's also your best way forward.

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[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I beg to differ from your thought process ! This forum has taught me that my personal health and well being is not my Dr's , but my personal responsibility ! You can follow the masses or you can dig deep ! If all the men on the forum did as 2 Dr's had told them we would have some pretty screwed up TRT men and not to mention the vast world of cycle knowledge that tried and proven members use that is not even recognized by the medical field .Medical Dr's spend years in training to treat the issue not cure the problem ! The same goes for 50% of the Dr's out there prescribing Hormone Therapy and many have no idea about controlling estrogen ( A huge factor in the onset of Cancer ) Even fewer understand the need for HCG These 2 factors alone go to prove my point on why we must take charge of our on well being and live with the decisions WE MAKE !

I am in the process of gaining info still using traditional Dr's and holistic combined and when I grasp the knowledge better I want to share it when I feel competent to explain it in a more simple way ! Some are treatments used in Europe and not the US and the US IS CONTROLLED BY THE BIG PARMA INDUSTRY !

New insight and more to come that is very promising !! TO ALL !

That being said, medical professionals spend years in training, learning the best of what medical science has taught us. My only advice is please don't head down some kooky alternative medicine path because of a misguided distrust of the medical system and or "big pharma" Seek 2nd opinions but always follow the path of critical thinking. This can be especially difficult when it's your own health on the line but it's also your best way forward.

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[marcus300]

Best of luck buddy. Hope you best this

[Hazard]

Sorry for your situation man!

My advice would be to read up on ALL available treatment options. Sometimes targeted radiation or radiation seed implants can be used. Research this more in depth and with more scrutiny than you have ever research aas or trt.

My father in law was stage 3. He is 67. They advised removal. He was either put on an androgen synthesis inhibitor or an anti-androgen. I'm not 100% sure but I remember him saying the doc wanted to halt testosterone production until surgery so I'm guessing it was the synthesis inhibitor.

This was about a year ago.... a little less actually. He's 100% and feels great. I don't know what his current prognosis is though. When I see him I'll ask a few questions for you

[NACH3]

I wish you all the best BMP! Haz just nailed it! Like with any foreign substance we put in our bodies RESEARCH IS THE KEY!
Best,
Nach

[hammerheart]

Seems if a fella lives long enough, it happens.

There's an older fella at the gym who was diagnosed. Since it's slow growth, he doesn't get treated. Says he would rather die from cancer then deal with the loss of his "maleness". He claims to have researched extensively and the only reason doctors want u to get surgery is for their financial benefit.

For what it's worth....

Most men probably pass away with prostate ca without even knowing of it, or at least, I believe that was the situation before checking for it become widespread practice.

Myself I got prostate ca running in family, I'm relatively young but I've also experimented the wonders of low T, I'd be terrorized by the idea of total androgen deprivation, it's not just about maleness, I just won't function as a human being, hence I'm not really sure what I would do in the event of a diagnosis.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Yes ! For anyone curios and men over 55 , I would highly recommend reading the link BB sent in the 2nd post ! It gives us a vast amount of knowledge in traditional treatments and explains what Prostrate cancer is !

Copy and paste this or click on link in 2nd post - - - - http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/con...spc-044303.pdf

I can't wait until the end of the week when I will be able to share more info on other treatments such as Vitamin C infusions and Ozone treatments and A little know surgery that is Laser ( Holep ) done by the Mayo clinic and other high end treatment complexes not radiation and not even total removal of the prostrate and no recovery time ! No bleeding issues , no ED , no lack of bladder control . So many treatments out there that your hometown Dr does not even have the knowledge to use !

[RaginCajun]

here is a company that i use to work for as a research technician (should have just stayed there )

it is worth a look

OncBioMune Pharmaceuticals Inc. | OncBioMune Pharmaceuticals – OBMP

[RaginCajun]

here is a company that i use to work for as a research technician (should have just stayed there )

it is worth a look

OncBioMune Pharmaceuticals Inc. | OncBioMune Pharmaceuticals – OBMP

they have a Prostate cancer vaccine that is in Phase 2 trials in Mexico going on at the moment

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

WARNING JUST PLAIN GROSS
READ AT YOUR ON RISK !

Oh men I just wanted to add ! The Biopsy is no cake walk ! The procedure is painless and not an issue at all ! But just like all the traditional procedures for treating prostrate cancer the recovery is where the troubles or concerns start !

They make it sound easy but you will be peeing blood and crapping blood for about a mth and your semen will look like pure blood for a mth and then they say it gets better after that ! I had a painful erection after surgery finally I got brave and had a GF assist me with just a hand job ( When I did ejaculate it was bright red and it appeared to be all blood ) Gross ! Had a hand job due to the rectal discomfort I am still dealing with after a week not in the mood for sex due to internal issues and blood that is coming out everywhere . So when the Dr's tell you a little and some have more ? You can bet you will have MORE !

Now I have a lot more compassion for all those poor women that we give a hard time and toss jokes at about being on the rag ! Ladies that read this I apologize for all my off color comments in the past !

[wellshii]

Man sorry to hear about this.
There's been studies showing fasting and cancer.
Wartime diet of regular fasting slashes prostate cancer risk | Daily Mail Online
Researchers Work on Getting Intermittent Fasting FDA Approved

I believe cancer can be beat without the crap docs throw ,as well as prevented.

[kelkel]

Buzz I'm very sorry to read this. I sincerely wish you the best of luck dealing with this. I know you attack it with a vengeance.

kel

[Couchlock]

Man sorry to hear about this.
There's been studies showing fasting and cancer.
Wartime diet of regular fasting slashes prostate cancer risk | Daily Mail Online
Researchers Work on Getting Intermittent Fasting FDA Approved

I believe cancer can be beat without the crap docs throw ,as well as prevented.

I had a buddy diagnosed 2 years ago, radiation and a lot of cbd and thc edibles, I'm talking tons.

He's clear now

[Euroholic]

Do what makes you happy buzz. Whatever that is mate grab it by the balls and dominate.

[Proximal]

Very sorry to see this thread. You're tough enough to beat this though Buzz !

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Please by all means let me know if it is possible to get this UPS sent to GA or NC ? I would really like to give this a shot ! I am going to start a go fund me account because even the travel daily to the Dr. is getting out of budget and some of the treatment not covered by the VA or by Insurance !

Some of the non FDA approved Amino and the Vitamin C infusions and the travel cost to the Mayo for Laser as opposed to cutting or radiation which both cause nerve damage and have long recovery time ! May have ED issues and may need depends + cathiitor The laser has few side effects and now nerve damage ! The Mayo is covered but travel is not ?

I do not know how to set up a Go Fund Me Account ? Any one with experience please PM me

I had a buddy diagnosed 2 years ago, radiation and a lot of cbd and thc edibles, I'm talking tons.

He's clear now

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Thanks man !

I am now one of the nut jobs that actually believes that there is a cure for cancer out there and the Big Pharma Companies are preventing it from being made public ! If you research there are real Dr's that give lectures and there are more advanced treatments in Europe that the FDA does not approve because of money ! If you dig and research it will actually piss you off if all you do is listen to your Dr. and trust anything he says and he may not be trying to screw you but his level of education is not to the degree that allow him to offer you better and more advanced treatment ! I am getting all my traditional test done and then getting a second opinion and then doing some of the treatment I have found out about ! But to find out what I have will actually piss you off and the American Medical community and the drug mafia !

Very sorry to see this thread. You're tough enough to beat this though Buzz !

[MuscleScience]

That being said, medical professionals spend years in training, learning the best of what medical science has taught us. My only advice is please don't head down some kooky alternative medicine path because of a misguided distrust of the medical system and or "big pharma" Seek 2nd opinions but always follow the path of critical thinking. This can be especially difficult when it's your own health on the line but it's also your best way forward.

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As a physician myself, if your Doc said he doesn't have time to discuss option with you. You need to find a Doc that does as he doesn't have your best interest in mind. If I have bad news for a patient, I sure as fuck take my time. And not for one second do I believe anything a big breasted Pharma rep with a business degree tells me. I go straight to the primary literature, unfortunately most of it is funded by Pharma. But if you take an hour out of your day for a patient. You can find more research that is independent.


Removing, irradiating and Or chemoing the prostate is not a trivial thing. Weigh your options and ask hard questions.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

THANK YOU SIR AND NO DISRESPECT TO YOU ! I WELCOME YOUR INPUT ! BUT JUST LIKE TRT SO MANY DR's SCRIPT TESTOSTERONE AND NO AI & NO HCG ? THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THEY HAVE ( WORD ) THEY AIN'T GOT ENOUGH UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE MALE ENDO SYSTEM TO KEEP A MAN HEALTHY DUE TO RISING E-2 VERY DANGEROUS ND TESTICULAR ATROPHY ! ALL THE AMBULANCE CHASER ATTORNEYS WANT TO BLAME TESTOSTERONE AND IT IS THE ABNORMALLY HIGH ESTROGEN THAT IS AT THE HEART OF THE ISSUE FOR STROKE , HEART ATTACK & CANCER !

I had to request the MRI to see if it has spread , he did not offer !he MRI ?

The nurse told me he said flat out NO ! on the bone scan . Can a Dr refuse a test I request ?

This makes me believe that he know how far and how serious it is and I have not see my ultra sound text nor my size other than verbal of my prostrate . No pre op opinion in his notes no post op opinion in his notes and no post inspection of the samples ( fungus ) from his notes and no stage or Glesen score !

I feel he wants to scare me into an operation or treatment and I do not have all of my info yet !! This damn jarhead is just stubborn and no damn body is cutting on me until I have all the info and that is available ! If I die in the mean time then so be it , it was meant to be !



Right now since he flat out refused me the bone scan I am going to get the MRI and then request a copy of all my records including my ultra sound and get a second opinion ! I have found sound information on vitamin C Infusions and that oxiginates the blood and reduces the bleeding and PSA is not only an indication of fungus in the prostrate but if I have a bladder infection it reads higher because I have more fungus in my body ! After all what is being read in the biopsy is abnormal tissue ! Not cancerous tissue ! I am going to wait and see for now and then if it has not spread according to my MRI and depending on what the other Dr says ! If I am stage IV I will go to the Mayo and have the laser done ! It has faster recovery time ad shrinks the prostrate witless chance of side effects !

The procedures my Dr offered radiation or removal are barbaric !When there are other treatments out there ! The more I dig and research the more angry I get ! Europe has many more options that the US does and that is sad !

As a physician myself, if your Doc said he doesn't have time to discuss option with you. You need to find a Doc that does as he doesn't have your best interest in mind. If I have bad news for a patient, I sure as fuck take my time. And not for one second do I believe anything a big breasted Pharma rep with a business degree tells me. I go straight to the primary literature, unfortunately most of it is funded by Pharma. But if you take an hour out of your day for a patient. You can find more research that is independent.


Removing, irradiating and Or chemoing the prostate is not a trivial thing. Weigh your options and ask hard questions.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Hell I should go jump on the band wagon for damage done to men because of TRT after all I had normal PSA before I started and it started rising right after I started ! I may win a few thousand dollars and after all I do not even need my DA Dr for TRT I know more that he does thanks to this forum ! He scripts me 200 mg one time every 2 weeks and 1 mg of Arimidex a day ! If I were doing what he said I would not even be able to get out of my bed i would be so tired from low E-2 ! While I am waiting I am going to keep my estrogen in check and continue my TRT ! I got me off my death bed and from not caring of I lived or not so quality of life while I am alive means a lot more to me than wearing a diaper or having ED issues !

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I go for MRI tomorrow and see Dr the 20th . DAMN another fleets enema ! There are more pleasant things to do in life that squirt saline up you AH !

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Well gents go to urologist today the 20th to discuss stage , glesen score , treatment and how soon should this start ?

Doing nothing now ! Gotta get a hip replacement and a Labrim and rotator cuff that that is completely torn and dislocated from joint ! Have a sports medicine Dr consult Tues.as to different procedures and one that had higher than a 50/50 chance of being successful ! May need knees done also ! 57 and getting a tune up for the next 50 years



Wish me luck I am a little anxious