R. I. P. Rich Piana

[GirlyGymRat]

Seeing early reports of his death...

[Couchlock]

Seeing early reports of his death...

Really?

That sucks.

Hope its not true

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[hollowedzeus]

Jerry ward confirmed on his IG. RIP

[DCI]

Bad times for the fitness industry the media will have a field day.

And sad that a big character of it died suddenly.

Rip

[MuscleScience]

Bad times for the fitness industry the media will have a field day.

And sad that a big character of it died suddenly.

Rip

Wow, that stinks...Some politician is going to jump on the bandwagon and SHit is going to hit the fan.

[yeahbuddy289]

Just saw that this morning.... very sad.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

2 days ago "Big Country" Dallas McCarver died.
Today Rich Piana died.

Tragic couple of days.

[Sh0tsf1red]

Is this confirmed?

[Baxter35]

Damn that's awful. I was hoping this was unconfirmed, but it looks legit especially with Jerry Ward posting it. Very sad. I doubt we'll ever get true details on what happened to him. RIP Rich.

[Sh0tsf1red]

Yes looks like several other pros are sending their condolences, sad news

Love him or hate him the guy was an icon

[DCI]

Wow, that stinks...Some politician is going to jump on the bandwagon and SHit is going to hit the fan.

With the 2 deaths it can't help the perception of bodybuilding etc

[Bio-Active]

Pretty terrible

[Cuz]

Wtf is going on? Damn unbelievable And very sad

[RaginCajun]

Drugs are bad. He seemed to have a 'death' wish with all the cocktail of drugs he was taking and has taken. The body has limits.

RIP

[kelkel]

Can anyone confirm that opiates were involved?

[EDCG19]

Unbelievable news, really fucked up.

Always amazes me how fast it is all over for some of us. RIP

He will be missed, I always enjoyed his platform...

[ghettoboyd]

I was never a fan but had a lot of respect for him...he was a freak and looked amazing but when you burn the candle at both ends you eventually get burned RIP Rich...I'm sure this is how he would have wanted it so the world wouldn't see him wither to nothing and I'm sure he would have suffered brain damage and would have never been the same...sad day...

[DocToxin8]

Shit, I kinda hoped he would pull through.
But when I think about the last person I knew (a good friend of mine) that was put in a coma, he died too.
So this was to be expected I guess, but sad news.
Luckily he didn't have to live a life with severe brain damage at least.
RIP.

[GirlyGymRat]

Can anyone confirm that opiates were involved?

Reported he was in a medically induced comma approx 10 days prior to death. No comment on the medicine causing comma.

[Sh0tsf1red]

Reported he was in a medically induced comma approx 10 days prior to death. No comment on the medicine causing comma.

They wouldn't use opiates to induce a coma. I think they were asking if opiates played a roll in the initial incident, opiate overdose leading to the fall that caused the head injury. Some news reports said there was white powder at the scene.

[clarky.]

So so sad, Rest in peace Rich.

[stacktt]

last night i saw on bradley martyn's IG his post about him passing. i saw it 23 minutes after he posted before anything was on google. went to bed and woke up to it all over the web.
i remember the first time i saw him this guy it was his "8 hour arm workout" video. at the time it was just funny af to me. RIP rich.
as he walked through the pearly gates, god stepped down from his throne and exclaimed "holy fuck you are jacked!"

[BG]

Damn........tough times.

[DocToxin8]

Most cases like this involves Rec. drugs.
I read the autopsy report on a couple of bodybuilders;
Found some strange occurrences;

In those that had low BF (or normal BF) there wasn't any overt atherosclerosis, but there was cardiac hypertrophy.
In one who had a good amount of BF there was clear signs of a atherosclerosis and cardiac hypertrophy with signs of a previous cardiac event (mild heart attack).
Of these bodybuilders (it was just 3 total, so a small sample)
the cause of death was;
-gunshot to the head (suicide)
-opiate OD (unclear if intentional)
-suicide (forgot how)

In all cases I suspect they were starting to feel like shit,
and knew they had burned the candle down so to say.
So depression and in one case clear suicide, the other two self medicated to death, intentionally or not.

I would guess Piana follows this trend.
Whether he felt good or not idk, but unintentional OD would be my guess.

Whatever the reason may he Rest In Peace.
(And I hope nobody scorns him for doing and OD if that turns out to be the case, that's kinda like saying that if you fall on your ass and break a leg when drunk, you deserve it. At least that's my thinking, as I know good, honest, hard working people that have died of ODs.)

[Couchlock]

Any one whom has a drug issue and overdoses, its sad. No one wants to be drug dependant. No one.

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[ironbeck]

Risks any substance abuser faces.

[Couchlock]

Risks any substance abuser faces.

Sometimes its not 100% their fault my man.

How about those that are given high strength opiates for serious injuries (car crashes, falling off ladders, etc) who become clinically addicted and then left out to dry when treatment plan is over?

Ever been there?

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[DocToxin8]

I didn't mean to open a can of worms about discussing rec drugs here,
Just wanted to say that whatever reason he died, be it from drugs,
drinking and falling on his ass, or crossing the road without looking,
it's all the same to me.
I regret bringing it up, let's just leave it at that.

[GirlyGymRat]

They wouldn't use opiates to induce a coma. I think they were asking if opiates played a roll in the initial incident, opiate overdose leading to the fall that caused the head injury. Some news reports said there was white powder at the scene.

1. Never reported who induced the comma. I think it was a nice way to avoid reporting how he came into comma.

2. I didn't respond that opiates were involved.

3. Opiate overdose can result in a comma. In regards to the falling down and hitting his head theory. It was reported he was receiving a haircut from his gf. If we want to believe this, he fell from a chair since his gf is much shorter then him.

Toxicology reports will take a few weeks....what will they find in his system remains to be known.

http://opium.com/overdose/opium-overdose-symptoms/

Opium overdose occurs when a user smokes, snorts or eats too much opium. This type of overdose can also occur when an opium derivative such as heroin or morphine is injected intravenously. The dangers of opium overdose include:
heart attack
coma
reduced circulation
brain damage
labored breathing
death

[GirlyGymRat]

Sometimes its not 100% their fault my man.

How about those that are given high strength opiates for serious injuries (car crashes, falling off ladders, etc) who become clinically addicted and then left out to dry when treatment plan is over?

Ever been there?

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acquaintance is addicted. Started post surgery. Lost job, home, car. Doctor shops for prescriptions. Overdosed. Someone found her, unresponsive. ambulance ride, hospital. Rehab. Back to using....very sad.

[Ashop]

Dallas McCarver passed earlier in the week and now Rich Piana. A very sad week in bodybuilding. Both will be greatly missed.

[MuscleScience]

Most cases like this involves Rec. drugs.
I read the autopsy report on a couple of bodybuilders;
Found some strange occurrences;

In those that had low BF (or normal BF) there wasn't any overt atherosclerosis, but there was cardiac hypertrophy.
In one who had a good amount of BF there was clear signs of a atherosclerosis and cardiac hypertrophy with signs of a previous cardiac event (mild heart attack).
Of these bodybuilders (it was just 3 total, so a small sample)
the cause of death was;
-gunshot to the head (suicide)
-opiate OD (unclear if intentional)
-suicide (forgot how)

In all cases I suspect they were starting to feel like shit,
and knew they had burned the candle down so to say.
So depression and in one case clear suicide, the other two self medicated to death, intentionally or not.

I would guess Piana follows this trend.
Whether he felt good or not idk, but unintentional OD would be my guess.

Whatever the reason may he Rest In Peace.
(And I hope nobody scorns him for doing and OD if that turns out to be the case, that's kinda like saying that if you fall on your ass and break a leg when drunk, you deserve it. At least that's my thinking, as I know good, honest, hard working people that have died of ODs.)

Cardiac hypertrohpy when caused by adaptation to exercise is rarely pathological in nature. That is something that common in fit individuals, but the lay person sees that and automatically jumps to it being pathological and the result of steroid abuse .

Almost all cases of athletes that died from a sudden cardiac event had undetected congenital enlargement of the heart, unrelated to their athletic history.

[Obs]

God be with his family.
This is bad news I am going to think on this for a bit and make a thread later possibly.

[DocToxin8]

Cardiac hypertrohpy when caused by adaptation to exercise is rarely pathological in nature. That is something that common in fit individuals, but the lay person sees that and automatically jumps to it being pathological and the result of steroid abuse .

Almost all cases of athletes that died from a sudden cardiac event had undetected congenital enlargement of the heart, unrelated to their athletic history.

My heart is bigger than average, but the size of f.ex wall to left ventricle is the same now as it was 10 years ago. (I know cause I entered a scientific study of athletes, AAS and cardiac tissue effects about then. Couple of weeks ago I did a new ultrasound, EKG, excersize EKG with BP measuments, 24h EKG for another study of the same subject.)
Anyway, when talking to different heart specialists, the thinking is that thickened walls MAY interfere with cardiac electroconductivety.
(Thus predisposing for heart arrhythmias)
But they were not at all certain, and the heart is also able to shrink in size and repair itself to unknown degrees.

In essence, so far it's very difficult to say what effects AAS has on the heart and if it has any negative effects, whether that is permanent.

In the autopsy reports I mentioned one was mentioned as having a large heart (with no atherosclerosis and no mention of previous cardiac events)
died by OD. (No direct link to AAS use, other than that he had used a lot of it)

The other guy was fatter, don't know how fat, but enough to mention it.
He had also a large heart but also a lot of atherosclerosis, with signs of a previous cardiac event.
Whether AAS played a role here is also uncertain,
overweight carrying all the risk factors he had really, so one can speculate if AAS mattered or not.

There's also another thing here, when they say AAS they really mean:
AAS and ANY other drug the guy was or had taken.
So HGH and insulin plus anything could also have played in.

The only real link I've found so far in dead bodybuilders is rec.drugs actually.

Anyways, that strayed a bit from the topic.

RIP.

[< <Samson> >]

"We" open the hells gates when we officially make the leap into steroid country

IMO after that, nothing is off the table

RIP big guy - another, example of why we need to check our own ass

[BG]

acquaintance is addicted. Started post surgery. Lost job, home, car. Doctor shops for prescriptions. Overdosed. Someone found her, unresponsive. ambulance ride, hospital. Rehab. Back to using....very sad.

Huge issue here on Long Island. Even Trump said it was a crisis. These young kids I work with come in and tell me stories of their brothers/friends OD all the time, the kid Kevin I work with Mom has brought his brother back twice with the shot, he's only one more time. She had to do it last mothers day. Crazy.

[BG]

the heart is also able to shrink in size and repair itself to unknown degrees.

I did not know this..........


Do you think the heart grows more when using gear/gh along with cardio?

[BG]

BTW good discussion.

[Obs]

"We" open the hells gates when we officially make the leap into steroid country

IMO after that, nothing is off the table

RIP big guy - another, example of why we need to check our own ass

??? I shoot a lotta gear but pretty much any drug beyond that is way off the table...

[hollowedzeus]

https://youtu.be/wUVTufy9rTg

Enjoyed this video. If nothing else rich was an incredible motivator.