Subcutaneous Testosterone Injections - 20% better results?

[PingPang]

After doing some cycles back in college and always using IM injections, i've decided to switch to Subcutaneous test injections to try it out.
I have a buddy who uses TRT at 200mg per week and swears by Every Day testosterone injections Subcutaneously at about 10 - 30mg per day of Cypionate .
He says his blood work is rock solid, with higher test levels than he has ever seen on just 200mg of test per week (compared to IM weekly or bi-weekly injections). E2 is more stable as well.

There appears to be some research to support this.

In this article, overlook the fact that the study was for female to male gender transition.
https://www.gertitashkomd.com/blog/2...one-injections
But here is the kicker:

Approximately 25% lower SC than IM dose of testosterone is needed to achieve similar outcomes.

This is great. Who wouldn't want their test to be more effective in lower quantities?

And then from this article: https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/get-...m-testosterone

Dr. Crisler believes this method gives you more bang for your testosterone buck. He says that 80 mg of subQ testosterone has the effect of a 100 mg of testosterone administered intramuscularly.

For me, I definitely have some scar tissue mostly on my upper leg, from past cycles, as that is my most comfortable injection spot, so i'll be giving subcutaneous a shot.

Of course, I do realize this isn't for everyone. If you are injecting like 4 or more ml of something per week, it may be hard to do subq, as larger amounts of oil based injections can leave uncomfortable welts and such. It's likely more beneficial for folks running smaller doses, 0.2ml injections and such, but if you can make the same results with a smaller dose, it seems more cost effective amongst all the other benefits.

Thoughts?

[cousinmuscles]

You get more stable levels with SC but not higher as in AUC. For my part my nebido shot is 4ml and the depot makes for the slowest release but if I was on enanthate or cypionate I'd definitely do subcutaneous shots.

[bethdoth]

I have been doing 70-100 mg CYP (if on tren cycle up dose) every 3.5 days for the past 5 years. Here are some graphs of my results. Keep in mind I do my injections on Wed evening and Sunday morning and do my blood draw on Wed mornings every time. The one big peak you see is when I was doing a test to see how 200mg a week would effect my levels for cycling purposes.

Edit: The first part of the graph was when the doc tried androgel and the patch , then you see it going up on the chart that was the first year trying to figure out how much to take for what I feel was my sweet spot. I think I feel best day to day around 700-750. I don't know if I would benefit by doing a daily injection, but i know it would be a pain to do daily.

[HoldMyBeer]

I read a similar article... It said the whole argument for getting 20% more on 100mg is because you dont have to change the needle so you dont lose the 0.1ccs that would be in it.... I just draw it back into the syringe before changing to save it, but whatever.

[PingPang]

I read a similar article... It said the whole argument for getting 20% more on 100mg is because you dont have to change the needle so you dont lose the 0.1ccs that would be in it.... I just draw it back into the syringe before changing to save it, but whatever.

I thought the point was that absorption is better with SC injections.
Essentially, injecting 80mg of Test will raise your T levels similarly to an IM 100mg injection. You are getting the same T level gain with 20% less T injected.

[Couchlockd]

I read a similar article... It said the whole argument for getting 20% more on 100mg is because you dont have to change the needle so you dont lose the 0.1ccs that would be in it.... I just draw it back into the syringe before changing to save it, but whatever.

Naw I save that needle scrap by pulling it into barrel till it's all out the tip. Then change to injection tip and airlock with 1ml air

If it's a 1ml injection, I pull plunger to 1.5-2ml and use that air blast at end to drive out deep, get it all out tip, and so nothing leaks out of home when needle is withdrawn

[RaginCajun]

Kel or maybe his sister Austinite, and Mr Shiny pants 405 have mentioned this years ago. Can’t remember what section the thread is in but I remember them mentioning it before. Hopefully Kel will chime in.

[kelkel]

That's the first study I've seen showing higher levels with SQ as opposed to IM. I'd have to review more data / studies to evaluate whether it's realistic or not to expect higher levels by virtue of injection method, but I don't think that there are any at this time. When it comes to SQ though simply the frequency of injection can make the difference in T levels.

Many guys on TRT find that switching to more frequent injections, whether SQ or IM enables them to maintain solid T levels with less overall T injected. We see this with guys going from once per week protocols to every 3.5 days. So extrapolate that to even more injections per week and the result seems natural to me.

When it comes to trying to cycle via SQ injections I'd be careful. SQ does not handle larger volume well even if smaller daily shots are planned.

[Couchlockd]

That's the first study I've seen showing higher levels with SQ as opposed to IM. I'd have to review more data / studies to evaluate whether it's realistic or not to expect higher levels by virtue of injection method, but I don't think that there are any at this time. When it comes to SQ though simply the frequency of injection can make the difference in T levels.

Many guys on TRT find that switching to more frequent injections, whether SQ or IM enables them to maintain solid T levels with less overall T injected. We see this with guys going from once per week protocols to every 3.5 days. So extrapolate that to even more injections per week and the result seems natural to me.

When it comes to trying to cycle via SQ injections I'd be careful. SQ does not handle larger volume well even if smaller daily shots are planned.

Sub q large volume leads to big hurt in my experience, ymmv

[Obs]

Sub q large volume leads to big hurt in my experience, ymmv

Try that shit with some suspension lol

[< <Samson> >]

SubQ some tren , or home brew test & see what happens

I did - it wasn't pretty

[kelkel]

Sub q large volume leads to big hurt in my experience, ymmv

Yep, never a wise choice.