Guns and Ammo Thread

[Beetlegeuse]

The guys at Franklin Armory -- bless their pea-picking little hearts -- have announced a binary trigger for the Ruger 10/22, of all things. There's an old "gun guy" saying a machine gun is a device for converting money into noise, and the same could be said for a binary trigger, so FA decided to blunt the financial trauma they inflict by making one for a gun that shoots the cheapest ammunition available.

Be the first kid on your block to own a 10/22 with a selector switch:





And going back to a topic I posted on above, TTAG (hardly the most august of firearm websites) has a review of Roogur's new 5.7x28mm autoloading pistol here.

[Beetlegeuse]

Yet another 5.7 "pistol," this one from Diamondback.



Also has a 'brace.'

What I don't get (in addition to why all the interest now in the 5.7 cartridge) is why in the hell Diamondback used a dual-piston operating system (not even sure what that means). After all, the FN P90, the original full-auto PDW, the weapon this round was created for, still uses a straight blowback. Not sure what they're getting from a gas system, except reduced recoil, but it's not exactly a punishing round to shoot in any case.

Estimated MSRP $1300.

[Beetlegeuse]

Or how about a bolt-action AR upper from UINTAH Precision?



Most comments I see about this are commenting about it being meant for markets where you can't legally own a semi-auto AR but I think it'll have a bigger market from people who already have an AR with a nice trigger (can you say "Geissele"?) because this gets them into a different cartridge with a 1 MOA guarantee for just $1100-$1400. And no Form 4473.

The UPR15 is available chambered in .223 Wylde, .300 BLK, 6.5 Grendel and .224 Valkyrie. The UPR10 in .243 Win, .308 Win, 6.0 Creedmoore and 6.5 Creedmoore. All are available righty or lefty.


Are these great days to be a gun guy or what?

[C27H40O3]

The guys at Franklin Armory -- bless their pea-picking little hearts -- have announced a binary trigger for the Ruger 10/22, of all things. There's an old "gun guy" saying a machine gun is a device for converting money into noise, and the same could be said for a binary trigger, so FA decided to blunt the financial trauma they inflict by making one for a gun that shoots the cheapest ammunition available.

Be the first kid on your block to own a 10/22 with a selector switch:





And going back to a topic I posted on above, TTAG (hardly the most august of firearm websites) has a review of Roogur's new 5.7x28mm autoloading pistol here.

Is it a simple direct drop-in, or is some machining necessary?


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[Beetlegeuse]

Is it a simple direct drop-in, or is some machining necessary?

Dunno. The product isn't yet among the binary triggers on their website and the only information I've found was the article I linked to above. But based on the image of the components, my poking around with the internals of my 10/22, and how clever the sumbitches at FA have proved themselves, my guess would be it's no machining required.




You gotta love this shit.

[-Ender-]

From my research it appears to not be available at this time.

Franklin is unveiling it at SHOT this week.

[Beetlegeuse]

CMMG has come out with a 5.7x28mm 'pistol' (with a 'brace') that can be had with a 40-round (proprietary) magazine.


Some of the AR57s use the FN 50-rd mag that mounts on top of the barrel forward of the receiver and they eject downward through what would otherwise have been the magazine well. The CMMG uses a 'conventional' AR magazine in the customary magazine well and ejects out the side. I always thought the 50-rd FN magazine was one of the big selling points of the cartridge, and the downward ejection is a useful feature. Just be careful of hot brass going down the cuff of your sleeve, like with a Browning SA-22.

And I should note that for a HD/SD round, it runs a substantially higher chamber pressure than a pistol cartridge (50k psi) so it's LOUD, especially out of short barrels.



I still don't get all the attention now when the round has languished for so long.

[Beetlegeuse]

How about an 80% Glock 43 lower that would let you use the 10-round magazine made for the Sig 365?

I don't think it's in production yet, it's not from polymer80.com, and TTAG (miserable gun website that they are) doesn't have any 'real' links except one to Instagram (and I don't Instagram, so I can't get to it). Novel idea and they only can get away with it because the Sig 365's magazine is dimensionally smaller than the G43's (doesn't have the Glock mag's space-wasting plastic coating).

There's also an Instragram-hosted video, just follow the link in the top line.

[Beetlegeuse]

The Kalashnikov KR-103 (AKM) is now 100% made in America.

Most parts are interchangeable with 'traditional' AKs. Except the muzzle device. For some reason they decided to change the barrel threading to right-hand.



It's also a thousand friggin' dead prezzes.

[Beetlegeuse]

Apparently I'm not the only one weirded-out by this 5.7mm revival. From Say Uncle:

2020 may be the year of 5.7 ammo. Ruger released a pistol and CMMG came out with a PDW in the same caliber. Via email, comes this:

AmmunitionToGo.com reports an 849 percent increase in 5.7×28 interest on its website. The retailer also reports a 300 percent increase 5.7×28 ammo sales in January 2020 compared to January 2019.

[Beetlegeuse]

What to get the Gun Guy who has everything?


Why, a monkey to clean it, of course!

[Beetlegeuse]

Nancy Pelosilly now eclipses Sheikh Obama (piss be upon him) as the world's greatest gun salesman.






Surely don't think people are buying up all these guns because they're afraid of Trump do you?


And oh by the way, in the midst of all this plenty, AR sales are in the tank. And Remington (sucks) is closing the door on Bushmaster and DPMS

[Beetlegeuse]

Pedo Joe BiteMe says small arms will do no good in a resistance against a tyrannical government.

"Those who say 'the tree of liberty is watered with the blood of patriots' -- a great line, well, guess what: The fact is, if you’re going to take on the government you need an F-15 with Hellfire Missiles. There is no way an AK-47 is going to take care of you."

He's running for POTUS yet he doesn't know that the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 (codified as 18 U.S.C. § 1385) expressly forbids the use of the US military in a law enforcement capacity. Which means either he plans of giving F-16s and Hellfires to the cops or he figures to get the Congress to declare war on the American gun owner.

His dick probably already was sore from having stepped on it a couple of days earlier when he claimed we should sue firearm manufacturers for crimes committed with their guns.

Except you can't because they're indemnified from such action by the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (codified as 15 U.S.C. §§ 7901-7903).


What a pathetic excuse for a presidential candidate!

[C27H40O3]

Nancy Pelosilly now eclipses Sheikh Obama (piss be upon him) as the world's greatest gun salesman.






Surely don't think people are buying up all these guns because they're afraid of Trump do you?

No, but they are afraid of what the next president will do when this one is thrown out by the backlash vote. He already lost us Congress.

He said right before the last midterm elections that the election will be a referendum on his presidency. What an asshole! It sure was. The Dems took over Congress. Next they will take over the whitehouse and likely the senate. Then we are all screwed because the insecure, immature, intemperate, mercurial, spoiled little rich kid who should have gotten beaten by his parents growing up now has no self control as an adult grifter, and turns the presidency into one big joke.

The Dems will take power and undo every one of his bullshit executive orders, and go after our guns with a newfound gusto.

He turned our executive branch into a shitty reality show, where everyone gets fired on a whim. He filled the agency head positions with grimy swamp creatures. Real republicans should al be disgusted with how the simpletons were hoodwinked by this known con man. Us New Yorkers knew all about him growing up. We all knew what a two bit con man he is. A real lying sack of orange shit. He inflated the deficit more than any democrat would have dare do. And his sycophants and cult followers fall all over themselves in obsequious fealty.

I’m embarrassed to be a Republican, seeing what my once great party has become, with its leaders all trying to outdo each other with pointless self gratification all playing publicly to a party of one.

The American electorate has never shown itself to be as ignorant and deluded as it does today. His moronic followers seem to actually gloat in their ignorance. They revel in their subjugation to this insatiable fool.

The senate completely gave up its power and folded like a cheap suit in the face of a washed up reality tv figure. Why would they voluntarily hand over power to a coequal branch of government? We are the laughingstock of the free world.


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[Beetlegeuse]

...He already lost us Congress....

Trump didn't lose jack-shit, the Republicans threw away the House. Thirty-four Republican sitting representatives declined to stand for re-election rather than serve under Trump.

[Beetlegeuse]

Lucky Gunner has recently run a couple of good articles on best self-defense ammo, one for pocket guns in general and the other for .specifically 22LR & .22WMR from 2 & 4-inch barrels. I was interested in both because I carry a .380 BuG when I'm dressed for winter and I carry an NAA Mini-Mag year-round, which makes it my BuG in summer and BuBuG in winter.

Ballistic gel tests aren't the be-all, end-all for ammo tests, but they are a good place to start. For the rest of the story, I'm a fanboi of Dr Gary Roberts, AKA DocGKR in the various gun forums. There's several copies of his recommended ammo list around the web, one of which is here.

But Doc Roberts only does the 'traditional' duty and self-defense cartridges so it's good to have even just gel testing on mouse gun cartridges and rimfires.

I found it interesting how few of the .22s that exhibited any measurable expansion also would make the FBI's minimum 12" of penetration.

[Beetlegeuse]

Here's something to make Nancy Pelosilly piss in her depends. A 20-shot revolver.



It's a Belgian-made WWI "trench gun." Chambered in .455 Webley and weighs NINE FRICKIN' POUNDS!

The good news is it doesn't kick much.

[Beetlegeuse]

Joe Biden Claims He Is Only Human Left On Earth Not Killed By Gun Violence
February 26th, 2020

CHARLESTON, SC—Joe Biden made the incredible claim at last night's debate that he is the last remaining survivor of gun violence on the earth.

"Tragically, 7,767,050,847 have been killed by gun violence in the last week alone, and I am the only one left," he said somberly, apparently oblivious to the living people all around him. "If anyone were left to hear me today, my message would be, 'Please, never again should we let billions be killed by guns.'"

"We must pass legislation to ensure that deadly, fully automatic blunderbusses and cannons be banned from our great land. Thank you, Mr. Cronkite."

Biden then asked for a moment to huff a few grams of Metamucil before he could continue.

"In conclusion, I'd like to thank the people of Nevada -- who are all dead -- for having me out today. It's a wonderful country," he added before turning and solemnly walking right off the end of the stage, suffering minor injuries.

[C27H40O3]

That satire news site is like The Onion, but not as funny. The Onion writers are funnier.


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[spywizard]

actually... a person can have a handgun with no serial number... i can "build" one today if i want to... however, if it's a manufactured gun, with a serial number on it, and it's filed off..... that's the problem.. P80 is an 80% lower glock, (as one example, can also do a 1911) with some simple tools, you can "build" one yourself..

Just like an ar15 lower... there is no requirement to serialize it... however you cannot build it with the intent to sell it..

all of these terms i'm using are from the atf handbook for Licensed dealers..

[C27H40O3]

Trump didn't lose jack-shit, the Republicans threw away the House. Thirty-four Republican sitting representatives declined to stand for re-election rather than serve under Trump.

didnt republicans run for the spots they vacated? then why didnt they get elected to replace the republican leaving?

Trump rightly said the midterms were a referendum on him. the country showed him they agree.

[C27H40O3]

actually... a person can have a handgun with no serial number... i can "build" one today if i want to... however, if it's a manufactured gun, with a serial number on it, and it's filed off..... that's the problem.. P80 is an 80% lower glock, (as one example, can also do a 1911) with some simple tools, you can "build" one yourself..

Just like an ar15 lower... there is no requirement to serialize it... however you cannot build it with the intent to sell it..

all of these terms i'm using are from the atf handbook for Licensed dealers..

exactly. you can build a gun yourself for personal use and the government has no say in the matter (unless your state has laws against it, as mine does).

The way the feds claim a legal interest in firearms is by saying they are subject to interstate commerce. that is how they got their foot in the door to regulate them. Remember, the constitution says that everything to be regulated, but not explicitly assigned to the feds, is the purview of the states.

If you make a gun for personal use, and it never leaves the state, the feds have no legal way to assert jurisdiction over it. the feds cant claim its involved in interstate commerce.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Hey Beetle,


Not sure I’ve ever told you this, but you are one well read, well written SOB. You know your shit, no doubt about it. Sometimes I have to read your posts 3 or 4 times before my pecan sized brain can fully appreciate it but in the end, I always do.

Kudos

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Just adding to...
Glock 19 on top
Glock 21 on bottom

[Beetlegeuse]

actually... a person can have a handgun with no serial number....

I've inherited four or three "heirloom" guns that were manufactured without a serial number. Even before the 1968 law required it, most big gun makers put serial numbers on guns anyway for inventory control, QC, and warranty purposes but I have no idea how old these guns are precisely because they have no S/N. For the most part all I have to go by is they're chambered in cartridges that came about after the advent of smokeless powders.

... Sometimes I have to read your posts 3 or 4 times before my pecan sized brain can fully appreciate it but in the end,...

Yeah, I'm the same way. Sometimes it takes a couple of days -- enough for the drugs wear off -- before I can make heads or tails of what I've written.

And thank you. We aims to please.

[Beetlegeuse]

A meme that needs no caption.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

actually... a person can have a handgun with no serial number... i can "build" one today if i want to... however, if it's a manufactured gun, with a serial number on it, and it's filed off..... that's the problem.. P80 is an 80% lower glock, (as one example, can also do a 1911) with some simple tools, you can "build" one yourself..

Just like an ar15 lower... there is no requirement to serialize it... however you cannot build it with the intent to sell it..

all of these terms i'm using are from the atf handbook for Licensed dealers..

https://www.5dtactical.com/gst-9-frame-p/gst9frame.htm

[Beetlegeuse]

...Just like an ar15 lower... there is no requirement to serialize it... however you cannot build it with the intent to sell it...

Except without a serial number it's a bit short on identifying features. Unless you put your monogram or your family crest on it, it's going to be difficult to prove who made it. And if you can't prove who made it then neither can you prove who didn't make it.


This guy is selling a computer controlled milling machine that only does one thing. It turns 80% lowers into the finished product. No machining skills required, just the $2100 price of admission. You can buy 40 AR lowers for that much money so I doubt anyone is buying the aptly-named Ghost Gun machine to make 40 lowers for themselves.

[Beetlegeuse]

You never want a serious crisis go to waste.

-- demoncrat Rahm Emanuel

The Great Coronavirus Emergency Gun Run is On

We’ve all read reports of the long lines in grocery stores following the declaration of a national emergency with most Americans coming to the realization that the coronavirus is very real and isn’t going away any time soon. We’ve also noted the run on ammunition and reports from around the country of increased sales of guns.

Yesterday, however, was the first day most Americans were off of work in large numbers since the emergency declaration and a great number of them made tracks for their nearest firearms retailer....

Great demoncrat minds all think alike.

Champaign mayor attempts to use coronavirus to ban sales of firearms, alcohol and gasoline

CHAMPAIGN - The Champaign Illinois city council will be voting Friday morning on granting its Democrat Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen 30 exceptional powers related to the "Emergency Created by the Impact of the COVID-19 Virus," including the ability to ban sales of firearms, alcohol and gasoline....

New Orleans Mayor’s Emergency Proclamation includes banning sale and transportation of firearms

New Orleans mayor announces plans to block sales and TRANSPORTING of guns and alcohol. Checking the LA laws, she *might* have authority to stop sales. No way does she have authority to block transport. That would cancel open and concealed carry....

[Beetlegeuse]

How about a Kommiefornia-legal Tommy gun?





Like I keep telling you, the hoplophobes can't win without bloodshed because we're just smarter than they are. We just are.

[almostgone]

How about a Kommiefornia-legal Tommy gun?





Like I keep telling you, the hoplophobes can't win without bloodshed because we're just smarter than they are. We just are.

Innovative way to liberalize for sure, but man it's a shame to ruin the classic lines of the M1928/M1A1.

[C27H40O3]

A meme that needs no caption.

The best meme ever.

[Beetlegeuse]

Holy shit. This 15-year-old 'kid' talks a mile a minute for six and a half minutes, never stammers, pauses, or says "...like..." or "...you know..." even once, and if he's reading from a teleprompter his eyes don't show it. Start to finish, a brilliant defense of the Second Amendment.


Looks to me like Colt's original LE6920

I know it makes a lot of you guy's eyes roll back into your head when I get on my grammar soap box but this is exactly the reason I do. Because if you understand proper grammar, and I'm talking the Queen's English, then the argument over the role of "A well regulated Militia" in 2A melts away.

In writing for the majority in DC vs Heller (2008), the late Justice Scalia took the grammatical high ground. He called "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," a "prefatory clause," which is a functional term. I prefer the term "nominative absolute clause" because that is how it was defined by Rule #15 in Noah Webster's "Rudiments of English Grammar," which was a work that was contemporaneous to the writing of the Constitution and would have been well-known to Messrs. Mason and Jefferson (who were educated at the College of New Jersey [since renamed to Princeton] and the College of William and Mary, respectively), et Al.

In his justification, Justice Scalia wrote the following:

"The Second Amendment is naturally divided into two parts: its prefatory clause and its operative clause. The former does not limit the latter grammatically, but rather announces a purpose. The Amendment could be rephrased, "Because a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."...

...Although this structure of the Second Amendment is unique in our Constitution, other legal documents of the founding era, particularly individual-rights provisions of state constitutions, commonly included a prefatory statement of purpose...."

And Scalia cites extensive precedent-setting case law to support his argument.

Webster's Rule #15, in my humble but unerringly accurate opinion, is less technical but more logical than Scalia's argument. This is a verbatim excerpt from the 1790 printing of that work:

"A nominative case or word, joined with a participle, often stands independently of the sentence. This is called, the case absolute.

Examples. The sun being risen, it will be warm. They all consenting, the vote was passed. “Jesus conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.”

Explanation. The words in italics are not connected with the other part of the sentence, either by agreement or government; they are therefore in the case absolute, which, in English, is always the nominative."

The first half of the last sentence of Rule #15 settles the argument for once and for all:

"The words in italics are not connected with the other part of the sentence, either by agreement or government;...

The words in italics Are NOT Connected with the other part of the sentence, either by agreement or government;

Game, Set and Match, Noah Webster, the Father of American Scholarship and Education.


My argument was echoed in an Amicus Brief submitted by Dr. Nelson Lund (Ph.D., J.D., & professor at George Mason University's Antonin Scalia School of Law) to SCOTUS on behalf of the Second Amendment Foundation in the case of DC v Heller.

"The most significant grammatical feature of the Second Amendment is that its preamble is an absolute phrase, often called an ablative absolute or nominative absolute. Such constructions are grammatically independent of the rest of the sentence, and do not qualify any word in the operative clause to which they are appended. The usual function of absolute constructions is to convey some information about the circumstances surrounding the statement in the main clause." (emphasis added)

This is why I get wrapped around the axle about grammatical minutia. Because WORDS MEAN THINGS. As Mark Twain wrote,

"The difference between the almost right word and the right word is really a large matter. ’tis the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning."

But that condition only persists for so long as you have standards and means (and will) to enforce them. All of which vanishes in a wisp of smoke when you turn over control of the evolution of the language to 15-year-old girls who are stoned on estrogen.

2A's chief problem (in the modern era) is that the framers wrote it -- and the whole of the Constitution -- with the same rigidly formal (and flowery) language as they did other weighty documents, such as the Articles of Confederation and the Declaration of Independence. And they made frequent use of "terms of art." A "term of art" is a word or phrase with a specialized and bespoke meaning that can be aimed with a laser-like focus, but that term's aim only can remain true for so long as all the interested parties agree on its specialized meaning. I am sure it was abundantly clear to the framers that 2A's prefatory clause could never be misconstrued as being intended to control or modify its operative clause. If they had had the slightest glimmer of a doubt, they would have written it differently to account for that possibility.

It would have been a much less elegant document if they had cut to the chase and written 2A as "People need guns so they may keep them, and government may not take them away." But I'm sure the lib-tards still would have found nits to pick even with that verbology. Like Bill Klinton saying, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is...."

Which is still another reason that the cause of socialism is so invested in the decay of the American educational system. Because if you know the language you're less susceptible to fall for their "re-definings" or outright lies.

And you'll also know that the reference to "the Militia" in the Second Amendment, from the standpoint of agreement or government, is absolutely meaningless. It's a red herring and you shouldn't even waste your breath arguing it. Just tell them to read Webster's "Rudiments of English Grammar," and get back to you once they are not so bog-ignorant of the English language.

The grammar settles the matter without so much as having to broach the topic of the law.

[C27H40O3]

Regardless, if there is a proper understanding of the contemporary language of the time, one would understand that “well regulated militia” means a group very familiar and proficient with the weapons. Well regulated, meaning very regular with the weapons. Well regulated means they have gotten to the point where the shooters are well practiced and very regular with their weapons.


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[Proximal]

Anyway to get somewhat up to speed with all your knowledge through any books?

[Proximal]

Dumb question, deleted.

[Proximal]

Dumb question, deleted.

[Beetlegeuse]

Anyway to get somewhat up to speed with all your knowledge through any books?

Books? Are you serious, books? What the hell do I need books for, I just make it up as I go.

But the making it up is the easy part, the hard part is making up all the supporting references I link to when I post my tall tales. That's the shit keeps me up at night.

[Proximal]

There it is, the truth comes out, lol.

[C27H40O3]

Yeah, that kid is great. He knows his shit.

Now if these millions of gun owners could be as literate and articulate as this kid, we could stop some of the gun grabbers from steamrolling us in the public discourse al the time.