New job with benefits, debating if I should go legal.

[Test Monsterone]

Just got the call today that I have been accepted at a new job that provides medical insurance. I haven’t had insurance years. Now as some of you know I’ve been doing my own TRT since 2018. Obviously, to a normal human being, going the medical route and having a doctor look over everything is ideal. However, I have been less than impressed by the knowledge or attention to detail of some doctors. For example my friend got on TRT recently and they just put him on 200 mg/week with anastrazole mixed in the oil, with once a week injections. They didn’t even bother seeing if he’s estrogen sensitive. They just gave him they’re standard protocol. Really, the only real benefit I could see to going legit is getting quality oil. I don’t know how healthy it is to inject UGL oils with possible impurities, contaminants, etc.

There are plenty of negatives to going medical. For one, I’ll always be dodging the doctor trying to do a cycle here and there. I’ll have to drop my own dose and pretend that I never did steroids or that I don’t know much about them. I just want to be honest and say, you know what, these guys on the forums taught me a lot more than you probably read in your textbook with your cookie cutter formulas. But then I might be blacklisted as a steroid user in my medical profile.

Seems like I should stick with what I’m doing. Any thoughts?

[SampsonandDelilah]

Just got the call today that I have been accepted at a new job that provides medical insurance. I haven’t had insurance years. Now as some of you know I’ve been doing my own TRT since 2018. Obviously, to a normal human being, going the medical route and having a doctor look over everything is ideal. However, I have been less than impressed by the knowledge or attention to detail of some doctors. For example my friend got on TRT recently and they just put him on 200 mg/week with anastrazole mixed in the oil, with once a week injections. They didn’t even bother seeing if he’s estrogen sensitive. They just gave him they’re standard protocol. Really, the only real benefit I could see to going legit is getting quality oil. I don’t know how healthy it is to inject UGL oils with possible impurities, contaminants, etc.

There are plenty of negatives to going medical. For one, I’ll always be dodging the doctor trying to do a cycle here and there. I’ll have to drop my own dose and pretend that I never did steroids or that I don’t know much about them. I just want to be honest and say, you know what, these guys on the forums taught me a lot more than you probably read in your textbook with your cookie cutter formulas. But then I might be blacklisted as a steroid user in my medical profile.

Seems like I should stick with what I’m doing. Any thoughts?

Plenty of good doctors that have good protocol, the problem is finding them. Look for one that specializes in “bio-identical hormones”. Insurance can help with labs, covering meds, pharma grade test, etc...
However, plenty of primary care/GP that don’t have a clue what they’re doing. With some research though I think you can find some success. Good luck

[Windex]

I have zero negatives about being legit for my scripts, even the off label prescriptions like Deca and HGH.

Depends on how willing or lazy you are to find a Doctor that aligns with your lifestyle.

[Test Monsterone]

I have zero negatives about being legit for my scripts, even the off label prescriptions like Deca and HGH.

Depends on how willing or lazy you are to find a Doctor that aligns with your lifestyle.

You get prescribed deca? I saw you mention that you have a so-called “modified” TRT with deca, but I didn’t know it can be prescribed.

[Test Monsterone]

Plenty of good doctors that have good protocol, the problem is finding them. Look for one that specializes in “bio-identical hormones”. Insurance can help with labs, covering meds, pharma grade test, etc...
However, plenty of primary care/GP that don’t have a clue what they’re doing. With some research though I think you can find some success. Good luck

I see, well I’ll try to look for one. I just don’t know what kind of doc will be ok with me cycling steroids. It’s not like they advertise that on their website lol. Thanks man.

[Windex]

You get prescribed deca? I saw you mention that you have a so-called “modified” TRT with deca, but I didn’t know it can be prescribed.

Any steroid with a DIN# can be prescribed. Winstrol and Anavar are prescribed to HRT people as well.

[almostgone]

I see, well I’ll try to look for one. I just don’t know what kind of doc will be ok with me cycling steroids. It’s not like they advertise that on their website lol. Thanks man.

Try the A4M site. They have a directory that may help if you are in the US.

https://www.a4m.com/about-a4m-mmi.html

[Windex]

I see, well I’ll try to look for one. I just don’t know what kind of doc will be ok with me cycling steroids. It’s not like they advertise that on their website lol. Thanks man.

It's not about a doctor being okay with cycling steroids, it's about building a relationship with the doctor and showing knowledge.

I had to show literally a dozen different studies from NIH/NLM/JofA etc to my doctor to get an HGH off label script.

I can email my doctor for any requisition of bloodwork any time for any reason and she send it off same or next day.

Those are not things that happen overnight. It took literally almost a decade to cultivate the relationship with my doctor. They don't have time to stay up to date with every medical facet even within their speciality. It's your responsibility for your health and the goal is to demonstrate knowledge without coming across as malicious or arrogant.

There are clinics that prescribe everything willy nilly but they price gouge and charge 3x.

Just don't expect to get everything handed to you by the doctor, especially in the first year. Building a relationship is just like bodybuilding - marathon not a race. Just like trust it takes years to build and seconds to break.

[clarky.]

You should have put this in the lounge.

[almostgone]

Moved thread to the lounge.

[Test Monsterone]

It's not about a doctor being okay with cycling steroids, it's about building a relationship with the doctor and showing knowledge.

I had to show literally a dozen different studies from NIH/NLM/JofA etc to my doctor to get an HGH off label script.

I can email my doctor for any requisition of bloodwork any time for any reason and she send it off same or next day.

Those are not things that happen overnight. It took literally almost a decade to cultivate the relationship with my doctor. They don't have time to stay up to date with every medical facet even within their speciality. It's your responsibility for your health and the goal is to demonstrate knowledge without coming across as malicious or arrogant.

There are clinics that prescribe everything willy nilly but they price gouge and charge 3x.

Just don't expect to get everything handed to you by the doctor, especially in the first year. Building a relationship is just like bodybuilding - marathon not a race. Just like trust it takes years to build and seconds to break.

You are obviously very knowledgeable about steroids. What do you feel is the benefit of going to the doctors, if, as you say, you have to teach the doctor a thing or two? Is it because you get your prescription from them? If you could get the same exact products without going to the doctor, would you forgo the dr? I guess I'm wondering why people who are knowledgeable about steroids even bother with the convincing, building trust, etc. Especially if they're just doing a basic TRT 150 mg/week test cyp...

[almostgone]

You are obviously very knowledgeable about steroids. What do you feel is the benefit of going to the doctors, if, as you say, you have to teach the doctor a thing or two? Is it because you get your prescription from them? If you could get the same exact products without going to the doctor, would you forgo the dr? I guess I'm wondering why people who are knowledgeable about steroids even bother with the convincing, building trust, etc. Especially if they're just doing a basic TRT 150 mg/week test cyp...

Quality of your TRT is guaranteed (not knocking UGLs), you are legally in possession of AAS, no need to worry about your source being out of stock, etc., labwork is generally cheaper if you have insurance and the Dr. orders labs. Lot of reasons.

[Windex]

You are obviously very knowledgeable about steroids. What do you feel is the benefit of going to the doctors, if, as you say, you have to teach the doctor a thing or two? Is it because you get your prescription from them? If you could get the same exact products without going to the doctor, would you forgo the dr? I guess I'm wondering why people who are knowledgeable about steroids even bother with the convincing, building trust, etc. Especially if they're just doing a basic TRT 150 mg/week test cyp...

In addition to what AG said there's 101 reasons.

When something goes sideways I don't have to hide anything from the doctor and they can properly help me without wasting time with unnecessary tests.

I also get to be in control of my bloodwork. If i'm on Deca I'm not getting free testosterone checked.

I also feel that Test + HCG is an incomplete Hrt protocol.

It also means I'm not going to be prescribed something that would interfere or be advised as such. For example, mixing oral steroids and narcotics is a very bad idea.

[Test Monsterone]

Quality of your TRT is guaranteed (not knocking UGLs), you are legally in possession of AAS, no need to worry about your source being out of stock, etc., labwork is generally cheaper if you have insurance and the Dr. orders labs. Lot of reasons.

Yes, I can see your point. Although, getting bloodwork for me is super easy. Costs about $175 and I can see everything. With the doctor you gotta call, make an appointment, go in from time to time. It’s good and bad I guess.

In addition to what AG said there's 101 reasons.

When something goes sideways I don't have to hide anything from the doctor and they can properly help me without wasting time with unnecessary tests.

I also get to be in control of my bloodwork. If i'm on Deca I'm not getting free testosterone checked.

I also feel that Test + HCG is an incomplete Hrt protocol.

It also means I'm not going to be prescribed something that would interfere or be advised as such. For example, mixing oral steroids and narcotics is a very bad idea.

Ok so far this is the biggest reason to work with a doctor imo. I remember you said you don’t cycle much these days, so I can see where being consistent, getting regular checkups, etc. is beneficial. If you were cycling, it would be a little tougher to play the game and be upfront with the doc. I don’t think there are any doctors who would be fine with their patient cycling steroids outside of their TRT protocol because it’s a liability. The patient dies or something happens and the doctor is now responsible or at least appears to be. It’s just like a dealership not wanting you to mess with the engine.


Do any of you know what’s the worst that can happen if you admit steroid use to a doctor? They can obviously deny you further treatment, but I hear you can be black listed as a steroid user on your medical records. Can the insurance company drop you, or can it become more difficult to get insurance, or more expensive?

[Windex]

Yes, I can see your point. Although, getting bloodwork for me is super easy. Costs about $175 and I can see everything. With the doctor you gotta call, make an appointment, go in from time to time. It’s good and bad I guess.



Ok so far this is the biggest reason to work with a doctor imo. I remember you said you don’t cycle much these days, so I can see where being consistent, getting regular checkups, etc. is beneficial. If you were cycling, it would be a little tougher to play the game and be upfront with the doc. I don’t think there are any doctors who would be fine with their patient cycling steroids outside of their TRT protocol because it’s a liability. The patient dies or something happens and the doctor is now responsible or at least appears to be. It’s just like a dealership not wanting you to mess with the engine.



Do any of you know what’s the worst that can happen if you admit steroid use to a doctor? They can obviously deny you further treatment, but I hear you can be black listed as a steroid user on your medical records. Can the insurance company drop you, or can it become more difficult to get insurance, or more expensive?

That's a loaded question there's tons of variables like the doctor, the insurance policy, circumstance, any state laws etc. Canada works completely different than US but I imagine it's not really a simple answer.

I don't go to my doctor for bloodwork. I send an email and print off the requisition. She leaves the date blank so I can run more testing in the future and reprint the same requisition. I even take a picture of my weight, blood pressure, etc and send an email and she updates my record accordingly. I physically visit my doctor now maybe once every 12-18 months.

I don't cycle much because my HRT is 540mg of gear + HGh.

[Test Monsterone]

Wow quite the hrt I must say. Btw I’m Canadian too. Lived in Toronto for 3.5 years and got my citizenship in the 90s. Love it there but now you have to be a millionaire to own property.

[almostgone]

Yes, I can see your point. Although, getting bloodwork for me is super easy. Costs about $175 and I can see everything. With the doctor you gotta call, make an appointment, go in from time to time. It’s good and bad I guess.

When my Dr. orders the panels, it's about $67 if she orders everything. Since I generally keep a close eye on myself, she will do only CMP, CBC, and total T and it's ~$38 ( those are insurance co-pays). There are times that my self ordered labs look good and she will simply scan those if provided they are recent. When I do it via Privatemdlabs, it's about $176 without a discount code.

Having a Dr. that works with you makes things extremely easy.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

That does sound pretty good if I don’t say so myself.

What do y’all pay for an echo cardiograph?

[almostgone]

That does sound pretty good if I don’t say so myself.

What do y’all pay for an echo cardiograph?

It's been so long since I had a stress echocardiogram that I don't recall. I was under different insurance at the time, but it seems like my portion was several hundred dollars.