Sacrifice your health to become strong and muscular?

[< <Samson> >]

The real "truth" is that we have no clue on wtf this shit will do to us in the looong run



1/2 of the shit we run like no other now, wasn't even available a decade or 2 back






Shit, back in the 50's they suggested a cigaratte when you stress - that went over well

[Proximal]

The real "truth" is that we have no clue on wtf this shit will do to us in the looong run



1/2 of the shit we run like no other now, wasn't even available a decade or 2 back






Shit, back in the 50's they suggested a cigaratte when you stress - that went over well

We had an outdoor smoking area in high school, lol.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I mean... they give a lot of this stuff to you at anti aging clinics so as far as I can tell, we’re icons of health.

[XnavyHMCS]

Agreed.

I respect the hell out of all of you. Your choices, your attitudes, etc.

I chose a different path for my dedication that did not involve AAS. However still blew through 2 hips (not an issue except when they are BAD), you will not be in a hurry to limp your ass around the gym and hoping that when your cane falls over while you’re doing pressdowns, someone doesn’t trip over it.

I’m now without a left RC and 1/2 of my bicep (courtesy of 46 years in the gym). Makes it a bitch to do somethings at home, like put a suitcase up on a shelf.

Had I done AAS, those would have been accelerated.

I’ve done healthcare. The pain, inconvenience and cost of cardiovascular & other issues to you (and those you will have to possibly rely on to care for you) are not pretty.

The 50’s, so far the 60’s & I’m hoping the 70’s can be fun and productive years. I’m happy that my BP issues just started recently, I cant imagine what decades worth of elevated BP would have done to the smaller arteries and capillaries in my brain. With the addition of TRT and mild cycles, my weight is now considered obese. My heart doesn’t care that it’s muscle, it just knows it has to work harder every second of the day.

One day, you may hope to kick back and retire (to some degree) and still want to be able to enjoy the gym and still be able to do physical shit at home. Those are not intended to be wheelchair years. Regarding diapers? Some degree of incontinence will likely effect you, be prepared. It’s a new hot area of expertise/treatment in physical therapy. Who knows what a lifetime of eating mountains of food and gallons of water a day to fuel your growth and AAS will do to those little sphincter muscles, lol?

It will be interesting to see what issues occur by excessive insulin usage or HGH (and related products like MK-677).

Not trying to be a downer guys, like I said I respect and admire your philosophies.

Just saying, being in healthcare, being 61, seeing and dealing with issues in myself; I’m just presenting a different view.

But with that said, can’t wait for the Summer, can’t wait to jump on the slin wagon, up the HGH & tren doses. Is the wife thrilled, hell no. But she knows I am willing to die at this age (bored actually, have led a very full life), and things are in place that financially she is set despite my death.

Will watch my BP so I don’t stroke out (death yes, stroke no) get my hair transplants to regain a full hairline ( I want to look good when they crank me into that furnace dammit). And shit, now I can get all that ink I wanted on my neck that would have been inappropriate at work. Don’t tell me the 50’s and beyond are a waste.

Rant over.

Go Prox!!!

Badass rant, if I've ever read one.

Didn't realise that you were so "long in the tooth"...

Congrats on making it this far!!!

There is no finish line!!!

[XnavyHMCS]

just an fyi - I'm just messing with you obs and being real with you

GH,

You just defused WWIII...

Lol, you two guys rock the board!!!

Respect @ 100%

[GearHeaded]

GH,

You just defused WWIII...

Lol, you two guys rock the board!!!

Respect @ 100%

lol . I was just messing with him. its easy to tell when he's had a few too many beers in him. I've had a million occasions myself with a few too many beers in me as well .. and guess what happens as soon as I do , an overwhelming feeling of self confidence. which is not necessarily a bad thing at all .. beer is good for the soul and makes men manly

when Arnold was asked about his diet and asked if he drank milk, his answer was 'milk is for babies , men drink beer'

[i_SLAM_cougars]

lol . I was just messing with him. its easy to tell when he's had a few too many beers in him. I've had a million occasions myself with a few too many beers in me as well .. and guess what happens as soon as I do , an overwhelming feeling of self confidence. which is not necessarily a bad thing at all .. beer is good for the soul and makes men manly

when Arnold was asked about his diet and asked if he drank milk, his answer was 'milk is for babies , men drink beer'

One benefit of being on gear is that you don’t have to worry about alcohol fucking up your testosterone production... one thing I have noticed though is it’s a lot harder to get drunk than it use to be. Don’t know if my body metabolizes it faster or what, but I don’t even drink very often anymore and my tolerance is still pretty up there

[GearHeaded]

ok a little biology here

the biggest within a given species are the ones that have the shortest life span . guess what . steroids make you bigger among your own species.

a 10 pound dog is likely going to live to 16 years old .. a 140 pound dog will likely live to 10.
Asian people generally live longer then anglo Saxon northerners.. Asians on average are way smaller in general.

this is true among most all species.. the bigger you are within a given species the short your life span will be as compared to others in your same species .

have you ever seen a 350 pound jacked 90 year old man ? no , all you see is small frail 110 pound 90 year old men .. if your 350 pounds and jacked your not going to make it to 90

thats the cost of being "big"

[Proximal]

ok a little biology here

the biggest within a given species are the ones that have the shortest life span . guess what . steroids make you bigger among your own species.

a 10 pound dog is likely going to live to 16 years old .. a 140 pound dog will likely live to 10.
Asian people generally live longer then anglo Saxon northerners.. Asians on average are way smaller in general.

this is true among most all species.. the bigger you are within a given species the short your life span will be as compared to others in your same species .

have you ever seen a 350 pound jacked 90 year old man ? no , all you see is small frail 110 pound 90 year old men .. if your 350 pounds and jacked your not going to make it to 90

thats the cost of being "big"

Our body is designed/has evolved to be lighter. Bones are not solid (large/long bones are hollow and filled with spongy bone). In class I largely have plastic reproductions of bones, but I also have real ones. It’s remarkable how feather-light your femur (thigh-bone is).

You carry as little blood as possible. This is accomplished by receptors around the body measuring activity (by heat production and chemical changes, such as hydrogen, oxygen and carbon dioxide). This is instantly relayed to the brain, which subsequently dilates arteries to more active tissues and constricts them to less active tissues. This dramatically drops your blood volume, which makes your cardiac output much less. You also don’t need nearly as many red blood cells, making the blood less dense and again dropping the cardiac output.

[GearHeaded]

Our body is designed/has evolved to be lighter. Bones are not solid (large/long bones are hollow and filled with spongy bone). In class I largely have plastic reproductions of bones, but I also have real ones. It’s remarkable how feather-light your femur (thigh-bone is).

You carry as little blood as possible. This is accomplished by receptors around the body measuring activity (by heat production and chemical changes, such as hydrogen, oxygen and carbon dioxide). This is instantly relayed to the brain, which subsequently dilates arteries to more active tissues and constricts them to less active tissues. This dramatically drops your blood volume, which makes your cardiac output much less. You also don’t need nearly as many red blood cells, making the blood less dense and again dropping the cardiac output.

its good to see guys thinking about the biological aspects of these things .. heck a simple 7th grade level book on biology is likely more useful to the aspiring AAS using bodybuilder then Arnolds encyclopedia of bodybuilding

[wavefunction]

Tom Brady is a pretty damn good quarterback ,, guess what . he has a quarterback coach, an offensive coordinator coach, a head coach and a conditioning coach .
Michael Jordan was pretty damn good at shooting hoops . yet he still had a shooting coach and a head coach .

Arnold won Olympia titles simply because he was the only guy that showed up for the show and Joe welder gave him the title . look it up .. you know how many times Arnold won an Olympia and he was pretty much the only guy on stage . lol

and your right , Dorian didn't need a coach cause he simply is one of the baddest mother fuckers on the planet (a rare breed). but had he had a coach he may of won 8 Olympia titles and not gone out like a little bitch with his bicep tears..


and your all wrong about Ronnie . he didn't win titles until someone taught him about proper AAS use, insulin , and HGH .. not the silly fricken vodka story the night before a show . just go look it up and see how many times Ronnie didn't place well in shows until having a coach to get him on the right path


people think they can do shit on their own . but rarely can they ... Bill Bellicheck has never thrown an NFL touchdown pass in his life, yet Tom Brady still listens to him and does what he is told .
thats just how life fucking works . do what your told and you'll succeed .. everyone needs a boss. everyone needs to listen to someone.
its just how the universe is set up . even Jesus Christ himself had to listen and do what he was frickin told from his big boss man .
follow that example and stop thinking you know what the hell your doing when you actually have no clue. everyone needs a master.
the best basketball shooter in the world , Michael Jordan, still had a shooting coach he had to listen to . its just the way it is.. he listened and guess what , now he has a billion dollars in his bank and NBA titles on his fingers
Jesus Christ was God himself in the flesh . yet he still had a master and a 'coach' he had to listen to. thats what made him successful .
only Satan doesn't want a coach or a boss to listen to . thats a true rebel

I have no interest in any other sport so know nothing about quarterbacks or basketball. I’m quite new to bodybuilding too, but am learning fast. I’m pretty good at making sense some would say

Arnold had arguably the best physique ever. He looked like a perfect sculpture. Even if Mr Olympia tournament was not as popular back then he still was / is the best. He definitely would win now too if he was in his prime again, without a coach.

Also, using a fucking fairy tale trying to prove your point, seriously? A good way to discredit yourself.

[GearHeaded]

I have no interest in any other sport so know nothing about quarterbacks or basketball. I’m quite new to bodybuilding too, but am learning fast. I’m pretty good at making sense some would say

Arnold had arguably the best physique ever. He looked like a perfect sculpture. Even if Mr Olympia tournament was not as popular back then he still was / is the best. He definitely would win now too if he was in his prime again, without a coach.

Also, using a fucking fairy tale trying to prove your point, seriously? A good way to discredit yourself.

your pretty good at making sense , eh . then spend some time and make sense out of the fact that Arnold did have a coach . you really think he got on stage himself without being prepped by the Weiders

[GearHeaded]

Also, using a fucking fairy tale trying to prove your point, seriously? A good way to discredit yourself.

you discredit yourself just by existing . go look in the mirror and you'll see what I mean

[Proximal]

Go Prox!!!

Badass rant, if I've ever read one.

Didn't realise that you were so "long in the tooth"...

Congrats on making it this far!!!

There is no finish line!!!

Still a kid at heart. Just treated some ex-students (28 y.o. now)to 2 nights of the beer and metal fest (hardcore & death metal). Looked good in a t-shirt, some bad-ass people made way when I went to a crowded bar to grab us beers. Only problem was I couldn’t do the mosh-pit due to my issues.

Life at this age is still VERY fulfilling (at times) perhaps my point.

TY for the compliment.

[GearHeaded]

I have no interest in any other sport so know nothing about quarterbacks or basketball. I’m quite new to bodybuilding too, but am learning fast. I’m pretty good at making sense some would say

Arnold had arguably the best physique ever. He looked like a perfect sculpture. Even if Mr Olympia tournament was not as popular back then he still was / is the best. He definitely would win now too if he was in his prime again, without a coach.

Also, using a fucking fairy tale trying to prove your point, seriously? A good way to discredit yourself.

you've been a member here for less then a month .. earn some respect before you think you can talk shit to the baddest mother fuckers in the room

[GearHeaded]

Obs can talk shit to me all day long cause he has my respect and he is a bad ass mother fucker and he can prove it .. some newb on the other hand , come in , get the fuck out

[Kyle1337]

People who say they don't need a coach must not have a real job, or give a fuck about it. Considering a coach is just a fancy word for a "boss". Without my boss at work, I'd been fired years ago because I HAD NO FUCKING CLUE what I was doing without his teaching.

[GearHeaded]

People who say they don't need a coach must not have a real job, or give a fuck about it. Considering a coach is just a fancy word for a "boss". Without my boss at work, I'd been fired years ago because I HAD NO FUCKING CLUE what I was doing without his teaching.

exactly .. its that way with everything in life. people who are successful generally are very coachable people . they are natural seekers and learners and don't mind being humbled by someone who doesn't even have half the skill they do .
again, bill bellichick can't throw a single touch down pass ever , yet tom Brady will and can yet will still listen to his coach.. the most successful people in life always had a coach, or a boss or a mentor . its just how the world works

[Proximal]

Now, let’s talk about colon cancer. It’s true, rates are dropping. But it’s commonly accepted that it’s dropping due to improvements in early detection.

Now I know the FDA can be a questioned & they have classified red meat as being carcinogenic, so you could call b.s. And I’m NOT making an environmental statement here, nor am I preaching vegetarianism. But fish are swimming in more pollution, farmed fish, like other livestock is not raised with health in mind and chickens are raised likewise.

Just saying there may be a link there. So if we are pounding down 2 pounds of this daily with size in mind, far more than the average Joe, that might be another pending issue.

To you youngsters, when you approach 50, don’t blow off your colonoscopies. They are more than a pain in the ass to prep for & the thought of the procedure itself is a deterrent.

[Windex]

Goldmann's Dilemma

[charger69]

Now, let’s talk about colon cancer. It’s true, rates are dropping. But it’s commonly accepted that it’s dropping due to improvements in early detection.

Now I know the FDA can be a questioned & they have classified red meat as being carcinogenic, so you could call b.s. And I’m NOT making an environmental statement here, nor am I preaching vegetarianism. But fish are swimming in more pollution, farmed fish, like other livestock is not raised with health in mind and chickens are raised likewise.

Just saying there may be a link there. So if we are pounding down 2 pounds of this daily with size in mind, far more than the average Joe, that might be another pending issue.

To you youngsters, when you approach 50, don’t blow off your colonoscopies. They are more than a pain in the ass to prep for & the thought of the procedure itself is a deterrent.

I thought I was eating healthy prior to a comp. I ate fish every meal for a week.
Afterwards I read that that much fish, I was either filled with Mercury or radioactive. LOL


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[99JT]

Nice to hear everyone's stories. Before I started lifting I was a runner not competitive but could run a sub 6 minute mile it was just something I liked doing, was a good way for me to release some stress, and keep me sane some days. I was 6' 145 lbs and made fun of constantly about my size so I decided to try out lifting and it wasn't long before I fell in love with it. Now I've got a few goals lift wise and would maybe like to do a show at some point but if I don't get to them I'm not going to be upset because just being able to lift and steadily progress makes me happier than anything.

[wavefunction]

Leave Arnold alone !!!!

[< <Samson> >]

We had an outdoor smoking area in high school, lol.

The year I went to UTi, they pulled smoking out of classrooms

[JaneDoe]

Arnold at 18 if I'm not mistaken!

[JaneDoe]

If I reach the age of these two in the photo, using AAS without any health problem I give thanks to God!

[JaneDoe]

Franco, rest in peace !!

[wavefunction]

you discredit yourself just by existing . go look in the mirror and you'll see what I mean

Just did, I look pretty good actually. Maybe not by your standards, but comparing to six months ago, I’m impressed with the progress.

Sometimes I need to listen more and speak less, I admit. Especially when talking to people far more knowledgeable on the subject, yes.

[< <Samson> >]

It’s comical to me when we look at the celebrities as “real” folk

Arnold, Stallone, Dwayne Johnson - etc


These guys have everything that we do not - from genetics to money

[wavefunction]

It’s comical to me when we look at the celebrities as “real” folk

Arnold, Stallone, Dwayne Johnson - etc


These guys have everything that we do not - from genetics to money

Not only celebrities have money. Doesn’t take all that much to hire nutritionist, buy gear, good food etc. Don’t assume everyone on here is broke.

I’m sure some of us here are genetically gifted too... Isn’t genetics often used as an excuse for not working hard enough? Look at David Goggins, he’s genetically predisposed to be a 300+ lbs fat man. Didn’t stop him from becoming one of the greatest athletes ever.

[Gallowmere]

Not only celebrities have money. Doesn’t take all that much to hire nutritionist, buy gear, good food etc. Don’t assume everyone on here is broke.

I’m sure some of us here are genetically gifted too... Isn’t genetics often used as an excuse for not working hard enough? Look at David Goggins, he’s genetically predisposed to be a 300+ lbs fat man. Didn’t stop him from becoming one of the greatest athletes ever.

Don’t get it twisted. Genetics are a limiter, no matter how much we may want to go with “it’s all hard work bro” thing. This is ego talking. We don’t like shit being outside of our control, but until we learn how to modify the genome reliably (won’t happen in our lifetime), it’s going to be there.
However, this is irrelevant to most though. It’s a rare person even now that pushes their body long enough and hard enough to find out what they’re actually capable of.
This isn’t helped by people who come into this like I did. I was a disgusting, obese shitler until I was 26, and didn’t start training until I was 32. As such, I’ll never reach my real potential, because I didn’t start working toward it until I was past the most physically viable time in my life. Yes, gear is letting me catch up, BUT if I’d have started at 12, kept at it, AND started using AAS in my 20s, it would be a totally different game.

[BG]

Easy.

you've been a member here for less then a month .. earn some respect before you think you can talk shit to the baddest mother fuckers in the room

[KINGKONG]

Hope all is well OB!!Your a true friend!
Ain't the same without your rants
Oh, to stay on topic..I would eat chunks of jagged glass if it made me grow..Ok, maybe not but, I have drank some protein shakes and dry chicken that could have passed for torture..gagged it down for years..nothing like force feeding,dry, disgusting chicken
Some of you know what I mean...


“The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates

[Cuz]

Hope all is well OB!!Your a true friend!
Ain't the same without your rants
Oh, to stay on topic..I would eat chunks of jagged glass if it made me grow..Ok, maybe not but, I have drank some protein shakes and dry chicken that could have passed for torture..gagged it down for years..nothing like force feeding,dry, disgusting chicken
Some of you know what I mean...


“The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates

Yea i dont do that shit anymore lol

[KINGKONG]

I can't eat chicken unless it's fresh outta the oven..or if I keep it moist with broth or mushroom soup..I've switched over to a lot more turkey and fish..


“The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates

[charger69]

I can't eat chicken unless it's fresh outta the oven..or if I keep it moist with broth or mushroom soup..I've switched over to a lot more turkey and fish..


“The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates

You guys are just pussies. Grilled chicken for every meal. I did cheat a little this week. I fell asleep while grilling...... chicken was super burnt and black. LOL


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[Cuz]

You guys are just pussies. Grilled chicken for every meal. I did cheat a little this week. I fell asleep while grilling...... chicken was super burnt and black. LOL


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Lol well i like more variety in my foods plus theres just nothing in chicken except protein, i mean thats it. Now for cutting for a comp im sure it would be a fantastic choice but im on this bulk train right now

[< <Samson> >]

My new way of juicing/lifting is sustainable weight/size

Which means, no mega tons of gear or other ped’s - no insanity nutrition plans(chicken, nothing but chicken until swole) < fuck that


I’m real good now - mild gear, mild booze, all ped’s are gone aside from ephedrine & caffeine


I’m reall good - but, I do wanna get leaner. . . That’s where more gear really shines - with a ton of gear I was leaner & ate 5x more shit than now

[KINGKONG]

You guys are just pussies. Grilled chicken for every meal. I did cheat a little this week. I fell asleep while grilling...... chicken was super burnt and black. LOL


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Grilled chicken is a exception, or I do a baked chicken in mushroom soup and peas it warms up fresh and moist..key is flattening the breast to same size by smashing them down and high temp low time and brining the chicken for 4-5 hours hit both sides quick on pan to seal in moisture and seasoning..hit em high temp and quick..the best!!
FYI for you guys who didnt know..best chicken to me too reheat, besides grilled..
Oh whole reason I was posting, sorry smoked some medical cannabis for my....glaucoma lol
Started getting hungry..ok here's my take on lifting forever
I stopped trying to be strongest in gym..I have from years of that..I wanna maintain a nice healthy muscular body..I focus more on warming up and stretching, correct form and using food as more of the driving force for growth instead of heavy training..I warm up really well..hit my group of the day hard...focusing on negatives, slow reps, mind muscle connection and usually drop sets on my 2nd or 3 set and that's it, for that muscle group..max 2-3 exercises per muscle group..then a lot of stretching..Funny at 20 it was 2 min warm 2 hours training no stretching,.
If you love the game..like I know some of you guys do like me..you will adjust your training and doses accordingly or you won't get the full life outta your body..I will do everything to stay in game forever..
Rant over


“The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates

[GearHeaded]

Just did, I look pretty good actually. Maybe not by your standards, but comparing to six months ago, I’m impressed with the progress.

Sometimes I need to listen more and speak less, I admit. Especially when talking to people far more knowledgeable on the subject, yes.

you just got my respect