Upset about the direction this country is headed

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Originally Posted by C27H40O3

There is no such thing as Gun violence. It’s criminal violence. Period.

Gun violence is a loaded political term meant to be antagonizing and inflammatory, rather than communicative.

Guns are not violent, they don’t cause violence. I have about 20 now that have never caused any violence. In fact, they have never caused anything.

Do we say traffic injuries are car violence? Are fishing injuries boat violence? Are diving injuries scuba violence? Are stabbing incidents called knife violence? Do we call injuries from wrongly carried out operations on the operating table hospital violence? How about scalpel violence?

Violence is either criminal, or it’s not. If a guy is holding a knife to somebody’s throat, and the cop shoots the guy holding the knife, that’s not Gun violence, it’s not criminal violence. A guy was legally shot. It’s justified violence, as opposed to criminal violence.

All that phobia in our country about so called “assault weapons”, is misplaced. by the way, this is another made up term not used in the firearms industry or weapons field, it was made up by lawmakers, who are clearly ignorant of anything related to rifles and firearms.

According to FBI stats where the weapon is known, there are more than twice as many folks killed every year by hands and feet, punched and stomped, as opposed to rifles of all kinds together. That includes rifles of all types. If you take out bolt action, lever action, and all rifles without all those plastic parts, you have even less of the rifles which fit the made up legal definition of “assault weapon”. Yet the intense national debate goes on.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-8.xls

How about addressing hands and feet as deadly weapons? Lets have a “Stop the foot violence” rally. Maybe that corrupt group MADD could have a “Stop car violence” rally.


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Lmao wow, you’re totally cherry picking data to fit your narrative and your ridiculous red herring of “gun violence”. If you want to be fair about this topic, 10,265 people died from firearms. That’s more than all other categories combined. You fail to mention that part.

Also, since when are people not addressing physical violence? The problem is, people aren’t going around committing mass murders with their hands and feet. You’re not even having an honest discussion about the situation. Being ignorant of firearms is frustrating sure, but the people acting as if firearms are not even part of the equation is just arguing in bad faith.

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Originally Posted by Staynattybruh

10,265 people died from firearms. That’s more than all other categories combined.

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Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year.

Influenza kills 290,000 plus per year.
Coronavirus has killed about 3k.

You are the idiot with a mask on because you watched the news and the paniking moron making stocks fall.

With a username like you have you are likely a troll that will be banned soon.

Hit the road.
I like it.

Welcome to steroid dot com

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Originally Posted by The road

Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year.

Influenza kills 290,000 plus per year.
Coronavirus has killed about 3k.

You are the idiot with a mask on because you watched the news and the paniking moron making stocks fall.

With a username like you have you are likely a troll that will be banned soon.

Hit the road.
I like it.

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That is the definition of false equivalency.

No point in talking to someone who clearly exhibits every sign of poor critical thinking and intellectual capacity.

Lets be clear, anyone trying to take my weapons will be met with HEAVY resistance.

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Originally Posted by Staynattybruh

Lmao wow, you’re totally cherry picking data to fit your narrative and your ridiculous red herring of “gun violence”. If you want to be fair about this topic, 10,265 people died from firearms. That’s more than all other categories combined. You fail to mention that part.

Also, since when are people not addressing physical violence? The problem is, people aren’t going around committing mass murders with their hands and feet. You’re not even having an honest discussion about the situation. Being ignorant of firearms is frustrating sure, but the people acting as if firearms are not even part of the equation is just arguing in bad faith.

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I this the ATF?

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Originally Posted by Staynattybruh

That is the definition of false equivalency.

No point in talking to someone who clearly exhibits every sign of poor critical thinking and intellectual capacity.

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Again, let's be clear....I don't give a flying fuck how many people are killed by criminals with guns, there is no outcome where I give up mine because there are people that want to shoot me with their own. In that scenario all I do is double down. wtf kind of retard wants to be helpless when the jihad (0r whomever you wish to imagine) show up at your door with automatic AKs?

Ya kno


I love my guns & rights


But, a part of me wants this gun ban shit to hit & hard


I'd b sitting on a semi small fortune - legal, well - not so much

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Originally Posted by Staynattybruh

Lmao wow, you’re totally cherry picking data to fit your narrative and your ridiculous red herring of “gun violence”. If you want to be fair about this topic, 10,265 people died from firearms. That’s more than all other categories combined. You fail to mention that part.

Also, since when are people not addressing physical violence? The problem is, people aren’t going around committing mass murders with their hands and feet. You’re not even having an honest discussion about the situation. Being ignorant of firearms is frustrating sure, but the people acting as if firearms are not even part of the equation is just arguing in bad faith.

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If twenty five folks get shot in Chicago in separate shootings in a weekend, how is that not as important or less of an outrage than five people getting shot at once in Kansas? What makes “mass shootings” worse than the aggregate of other folks shot in separate shootings? You just spout useless political talking points. You show signs of being indoctrinated.


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Dr. José Duarte is a social psychologist at Arizona State University who specializes in design and analysis of surveys (as in scientific surveys and political polls). He wrote the following about why a great many climate scientists who disagree with the theory of MMGW are cowed into silence but it also goes to explaining why so many conservatives are afraid to speak their minds about political matters.

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It is ill advised to report a consensus as though it is an aggregation of independent judgments. Humans are an ultrasocial species, and dissent is far costlier than assent to a perceived majority.

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The Neo-Bolsheviks would tell you that all the normal people think the way they do. And they manage to create the illusion that this is the case by badgering conservatives into obsequiousness and silence.

Do not believe the bullshit.


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It also bears mention that there is a connection between the advancement of the MMGW hoax and the suppression of conservative viewpoints. Because Socialism is an abject failure. The Marxist spent the most of the 20th Century crowing about the iniquities of capitalism and claiming it could not work. In the meanwhile socialism was such a failure they took it to be necessary to kill about 100 million of their own citizens to remain in power.

So they've changed tack. They've switched from claiming Capitalism doesn't work to claiming it works too well, so well that it's destroying the planet. That's the crux of the biscuit of the New Green Religion. The "Warermelons" are green on the outside but Soviet Red on the inside. Because the climate crisis is too important to leave to the discretion of the common man. The power must be wrested from him and invested in an all-powerful government, so that "benevolent" government can save him from himself.

Or so they want you to believe.

"obs-equi-ousness"
Thats means: the way obs is on horse steroids, I reckon.

I hate to disagree with most of you guys, but we have far from the best healthcare system in the world. In just about every study looking at many different data points, we aren't even in the top 20 or 30. For example, Germany has the best spine surgeons in the world. After having my spine destroyed by "the best spine surgeons in the country" from Los Angeles, to New Your, to Denver, etc., I am saving up to go to Germany to see if I can finally have my spine fixed after all the damage they have done. That is just a small example.

As for people saying that Canadians hate their healthcare system, my family has a retirement home in Canada, and we have not spoken to a single person who hates their healthcare system. In fact, every single one of them are dumbfounded about our healthcare system. I've spoken to one person on this board who said that the wait to see a GP and preventative medicine is long, but for serious issues, they are taken care of. This is just my experience from talking to many, many Canadians.

Everyone keeps saying they don't want the government deciding what they can and can't have, but after my disability, I have been on Medicare for a few years now, and I have yet to have anything denied. Not once. Medicare has been working for decades, and while no democrat or republican can introduce medicare for all overnight, in a few years, or even a decade. If it is implemented slowly and correctly, I honestly feel that it can bring down costs for everyone in the country. Yes we would be paying more taxes for it, but those taxes would be much less than the exorbitant premiums that keep rising like a runaway train. It would be the best insurance pool ever. The young and healthy would contribute just as the older and less healthy. Private insurance could still exist in the form of supplemental insurance that would take care of what the 80% of Medicare does not. Just like it does now.

I am also a republican, but our healthcare system is broken and if it keeps up it will bankrupt the country. This country has always had socialized services that made it great. They called a 40 hour work week socialism, they called Social Security socialism, they called child protection laws socialism, they called Medicare socialism, they called farm-price supports socialism, they called bank deposit insurance socialism, I could go on and on. This new Trump republican party is trying to convince the American people that some democrats are trying to turn America into a socialist nation. America will never be a socialist nation,NEVER but we need some socialized programs if we are ever truly going to be "great again". Yes there are democrats that are pushing want to push the envelope with free education (which I think is a bad idea), but education subsidies might be something to look at. Hell a person making $50,000 a year pays $40 in taxes to food stamps and over $4,000 to corporate tax subsidies. I don't understand how so many people can hate those on food stamps when corporations are taking all of our taxes and hoarding their profits.

As for gun control, yes, I agree that some of these democrats are out of their mind if they think they are going to pass what they want to, but as an owner of 5 AR-15's, 2 AR-10's, 4 suppressors, a short barrel .300 blackout, and more handguns that I can count. I support common sense gun laws like universal background checks, and closing the straw man loophole. Even though it has benefited me because I've sold countless guns face to face, I think that these types of changes would help. As for weapons bans and / or mandatory buy backs, fuck that. I will fight that as long as I have guns. In fact, that asshole in Nevada that shot up the crowd was the sole reason why the suppressor bill didn't pass that would have allowed us to buy suppressors with a regular background check like any other gun. I'm just spitballing here, but maybe if he would have been denied those guns with a better background check, it wouldn't have happened and we still wouldn't have to wait 6-12 months for our suppressor applications to go through. I don't know, if we gave on the background checks and straw man loophole, we could put something in the bill that would make it illegal to ban assault rifles or something like that. If democrats and republicans could start compromising again, just think how it could benefit us all.

I know a lot of you may not agree with me, so if you don't, please keep your replies respectful. This is just the way I see it.

^ health care is a huge issue I’m dealing with rn. . . We have the best, if I change what I’m doing - We won’t have any


It’s lame af to see hard working people that work small to medium sized businesses not be able to afford to have insurance for themselves or their kids

We have the most expensive healthcare system in the world, nowhere near the best. In the most comprehensive study that I could find, we ranked 37th in overall healthcare system performance. No matter what metrics different studies use to make lists of the best systems in the world, I haven't seen one where we even break the top 10. Americans are the only people in the world who think our healthcare system is the best. Here's a link to the first study I was talking about if anyone is interested. It a scientific study, so it's very long, boring, and some parts are hard to understand, but I don't think there is a better or more comprehensive measurement. However, you can look up as many studies of the countries with the best healthcare systems, and we won't be anywhere near number one on a single one of them. This isn't just a single study or list, this is all of them. You can't really argue with these types of facts. The only thing our healthcare system is the best at, is being the most expensive and inefficient. It makes up over 1/3 of our economy and as prices continue to skyrocket, it will continue to fail. When it does, our country will be in deep shit.

https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

Samson, having personally been in the profession; knowing what my wife sees and does as a PT of 35 years and having so many close friends in the profession. I simply can’t see how an argument can be made that we don’t have the best healthcare, period.

But with that said, that best quality of care is not available for everyone. It’s a sad state of affairs when you have the haves and have nots. So difficult to wrap one’s brain around that idea.

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^ health care is a huge issue I’m dealing with rn. . . We have the best, if I change what I’m doing - We won’t have any


It’s lame af to see hard working people that work small to medium sized businesses not be able to afford to have insurance for themselves or their kids

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I couldn't agree with you more. When I couldn't go back to work after my leave of absence. I went from paying $230 a month for great insurance. In 2016, I got a single plan from the same insurance company for $420 a month, so not bad considering I did not have an employer. In 2017, the premiums went up to $890 a month, and I had to pay that out of my savings for another year and a half until I was approved for disability. If I hadn't had saved so much money after college, I really think I would have died because I would not have been able to afford health insurance. I wouldn't have qualified for ObamaCare because I had no income coming in either. I may have been able to get medicaid, but is also a long process, so who knows.

So my question to everyone that is so against a medicare for all type system, why? It works for people who are on it, and nobody making less than a million dollars will have to pay anywhere near $900 a month in their "tax premium". Costs that are breaking our system like $100 for $2.00 tubing, or $12 for an aspirin (yes this is true, not a rumor), $3,000 a night just for a hopital bed, would all start to stabilize and drop. Then our doctors and surgeons could get paid more of what they should be getting paid. Strict laws could go into effect that would make those who commit medicare fraud spend many years in jail, thereby reducing costs even more. And even doctors could get paid like they do at the Mayo Clinic (the best hospital system in the country) on an outcome based pay scale. Those doctors with the best outcomes, get paid the most. Inivation wouldn't be stifled, in fact it would be the opposite. The only reason I see that people are against it is because they are so afraid that poor people and some people that don't pay into the system and don't deserve to have it, will. But that's like cutting off the arm to spite the hand, because everyone will still benefit.

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Originally Posted by Proximal

Samson, having personally been in the profession; knowing what my wife sees and does as a PT of 35 years and having so many close friends in the profession. I simply can’t see how an argument can be made that we don’t have the best healthcare, period.

But with that said, that best quality of care is not available for everyone. It’s a sad state of affairs when you have the haves and have nots. So difficult to wrap one’s brain around that idea.

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I agree with you on this as well. I guess you could say the rich and ultra rich do have access to the best healthcare in the world. It's really sad that we now have a state that pays to fly people to mexico to buy their medicine for them, then fly them back, and still save more money than if they paid for it here in the states.

All of what I am saying is from my personal experience of a 12 year nightmare in the US Healthcare system. I bought my first house on my own at 26, lost it and all my savings (even with great insurance) at 28. Then fought tooth and nail to make it back, only to get hurt again, and lose everything again at 35. I just turned 40 and bought my second house. The only way I was able to do this is because I had an amazing job and coworkers that pulled most of my slack, and even more amazing friends that let me live in their guest house for free for over 6 years in order to pay my medical bills. I am so fortunate for all of that, but I am one of the very few.

Like what you said ^^^.

Personally, I think it’s greed on a variety of levels (right or wrong, not passing judgment).

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Originally Posted by Proximal

Like what you said ^^^.

Personally, I think it’s greed on a variety of levels (right or wrong, not passing judgment).

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I completely agree

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBreeze

I agree with you on this as well. I guess you could say the rich and ultra rich do have access to the best healthcare in the world. It's really sad that we now have a state that pays to fly people to mexico to buy their medicine for them, then fly them back, and still save more money than if they paid for it here in the states.

All of what I am saying is from my personal experience of a 12 year nightmare in the US Healthcare system. I bought my first house on my own at 26, lost it and all my savings (even with great insurance) at 28. Then fought tooth and nail to make it back, only to get hurt again, and lose everything again at 35. I just turned 40 and bought my second house. The only way I was able to do this is because I had an amazing job and coworkers that pulled most of my slack, and even more amazing friends that let me live in their guest house for free for over 6 years in order to pay my medical bills. I am so fortunate for all of that, but I am one of the very few.

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Damn, you’re a fighter - you have all my respect! And you must be one hell of a person to have coworkers & friends so generous & kind.

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Originally Posted by Proximal

Damn, you’re a fighter - you have all my respect! And you must be one hell of a person to have coworkers & friends so generous & kind.

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Thank you for the kind words. You know how people say that they're in a bad mood, or they are having a bad day. I've never understood what that meant. I've been angry before, but I've never been in what I guess other people mean by bad mood that ruins their day - or makes them ruin other people's day. I get upset, but It goes as fast as it comes, and I certainly don't let it affect anyone else in the brief time that I do experience it. Maybe that's why I've been so fortunate with other people in my life.

I love meeting, talking to, and helping people any way that I can. I guess I've had it so hard in life (not just the accident either), that it's kind of cathartic for me to help other people if I can do so. That's what was so intimidating in joining this board. I felt like I would never get any posts because I didn't feel like I had the knowledge to help other people out.

But again, I really appreciate the kind words, and I love it here.

You know, I hit a goofy patch in my life last year & it got me f’d up in the head & got me feeling sorry for myself. I generally consider myself as being a decent person, but have become bitter.

Sometimes you encounter something randomly that hits you unexpectedly & in a good way. Your last post had an impact upon me. I have to get past that bs that happened.

I love it here as well, have encountered the most incredible group of caring people in a place that honestly you wouldn’t have thought.

TY as well.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBreeze

I hate to disagree with most of you guys, but we have far from the best healthcare system in the world. In just about every study looking at many different data points, we aren't even in the top 20 or 30. For example, Germany has the best spine surgeons in the world. After having my spine destroyed by "the best spine surgeons in the country" from Los Angeles, to New Your, to Denver, etc., I am saving up to go to Germany to see if I can finally have my spine fixed after all the damage they have done. That is just a small example.

As for people saying that Canadians hate their healthcare system, my family has a retirement home in Canada, and we have not spoken to a single person who hates their healthcare system. In fact, every single one of them are dumbfounded about our healthcare system. I've spoken to one person on this board who said that the wait to see a GP and preventative medicine is long, but for serious issues, they are taken care of. This is just my experience from talking to many, many Canadians.

Everyone keeps saying they don't want the government deciding what they can and can't have, but after my disability, I have been on Medicare for a few years now, and I have yet to have anything denied. Not once. Medicare has been working for decades, and while no democrat or republican can introduce medicare for all overnight, in a few years, or even a decade. If it is implemented slowly and correctly, I honestly feel that it can bring down costs for everyone in the country. Yes we would be paying more taxes for it, but those taxes would be much less than the exorbitant premiums that keep rising like a runaway train. It would be the best insurance pool ever. The young and healthy would contribute just as the older and less healthy. Private insurance could still exist in the form of supplemental insurance that would take care of what the 80% of Medicare does not. Just like it does now.

I am also a republican, but our healthcare system is broken and if it keeps up it will bankrupt the country. This country has always had socialized services that made it great. They called a 40 hour work week socialism, they called Social Security socialism, they called child protection laws socialism, they called Medicare socialism, they called farm-price supports socialism, they called bank deposit insurance socialism, I could go on and on. This new Trump republican party is trying to convince the American people that some democrats are trying to turn America into a socialist nation. America will never be a socialist nation,NEVER but we need some socialized programs if we are ever truly going to be "great again". Yes there are democrats that are pushing want to push the envelope with free education (which I think is a bad idea), but education subsidies might be something to look at. Hell a person making $50,000 a year pays $40 in taxes to food stamps and over $4,000 to corporate tax subsidies. I don't understand how so many people can hate those on food stamps when corporations are taking all of our taxes and hoarding their profits.

As for gun control, yes, I agree that some of these democrats are out of their mind if they think they are going to pass what they want to, but as an owner of 5 AR-15's, 2 AR-10's, 4 suppressors, a short barrel .300 blackout, and more handguns that I can count. I support common sense gun laws like universal background checks, and closing the straw man loophole. Even though it has benefited me because I've sold countless guns face to face, I think that these types of changes would help. As for weapons bans and / or mandatory buy backs, fuck that. I will fight that as long as I have guns. In fact, that asshole in Nevada that shot up the crowd was the sole reason why the suppressor bill didn't pass that would have allowed us to buy suppressors with a regular background check like any other gun. I'm just spitballing here, but maybe if he would have been denied those guns with a better background check, it wouldn't have happened and we still wouldn't have to wait 6-12 months for our suppressor applications to go through. I don't know, if we gave on the background checks and straw man loophole, we could put something in the bill that would make it illegal to ban assault rifles or something like that. If democrats and republicans could start compromising again, just think how it could benefit us all.

I know a lot of you may not agree with me, so if you don't, please keep your replies respectful. This is just the way I see it.

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If I could give this post five likes, I would.

I am a Republican who agrees with every word.

You could be me in an alternative universe. I am a life long Republican, disabled due to L4,L5,S1 issues, who supports single payer healthcare, with cheap private insurance riders to pay any deductibles, if needed.

I don’t support anymore gun control measures. At this point, they only disenfranchise the normally law abiding folks who we want to be armed, the ones inclined to step in and stop a church shooting etc...

I got more guns of all kinds than spots left for them in my safes.

This president is fucking us over this epidemic. Lying through his teeth. What else is new?



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Originally Posted by JohnnyBreeze

I hate to disagree with most of you guys, but we have far from the best healthcare system in the world....

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For starters, if God died and left you in charge I didn't get the memo so unless and until I see "Moderator" under your avatar, I'll be as disrespectful to you as I please. Verstehst du mich, meine Knuddelbärchen?

Secondly, you're making a "straw man" argument. If anyone claimed we have the best health care system in the world, (I couldn't be bothered to read that post and) it wasn't me who wrote it. And I seriously doubt you can present an empirical metric to prove it. I think you're just spouting Teutonic jingoism. Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt. Geht das nicht so?

But I'd make two points in that regard. #1, The entire planet runs on America's Big Pharma. One will on the odd occasion find new prophylactics or cures developed in other countries but from 2001 to 2010, 57% of all the new drugs in the world were invented in the USA. A country that's home to less than 4% of the planet's population created well more than half of all its new drugs, so if Swaziland today has better than 3rd-world health care, they should be saying "Thanks, mac" and not "Danke schoen."

A secondary effect of the culture of the socialist-approved and promoted "You're not responsible" mentality is that America's health care system is overwhelmed by self-induced diseases,. primarily stemming from smoking cigarettes and overeating. According to the CDC, more than 40% of Americans are obese and the AMA says that 80% of diabetics got that was from overeating. It wasn't the diabetes that made them fat, it was being fat that made them diabetic.

We were a much skinnier nation before fat shaming was itself shamed out of existence.

#2, The only significant (systemic) problem with America's health care system is our legal system and the litigious nature of our society. And that in turn is a direct result of socialist politicians whose chief sales pitch is "Vote For Me And I'll Relieve You Of Any Responsibility For Your Own Fuck-Ups!" Which would easily be fixed with tort reform in the form of a single, simple new federal law: Loser Pays. They party who loses the lawsuit pays all the expenses incurred by the winner in prosecuting the case. Then nuisance lawsuits and ambulance chasing immediately falls off to near zero because attorneys would no longer be able to afford to take cases on contingency unless if was a cut-and-dried legitimate cause because they would risk bankruptcy with every frivolous filing. Liability insurance rates for Big Phamra and medical practitioners plummets, and so does the portion of that that's passed along to the patients. We go back to a country where doctors stop ordering a battery of tests for every patient who walks through the door that serve no purpose other than to keep their liability insurance rates at bay, where everybody can afford to pay for routine health care out of pocket and health insurance is only necessary for catastrophic illness care.

The medical industry isn't the only business that's hit. About half of the sticker price on a factory-built general aviation airplane (Cessna 172, Piper Archer, etc) goes to pay for the manufacturer's liability insurance. Any business that has to consider public liability costs struggles under the yoke of the "It's Not My Fault" mentality.

Thirdly, Germany is the most heavily invested in Green Energy of any European nation, which shows you it's the inmates running that asylum. Even the cheese-eating surrender monkeys are one up on them, busting atoms to get 75% of their energy. The simple fact is you can't run a modern industrialized 1st world economy on "renewables" and the only future that makes any sense is nuclear. Any and all resources siphoned off from that goal and redirected to the benefit of half-assed, piecemeal, green fantasy energy sources only holds us back from focusing on safer and more efficient nuclear, culminating (one hopes) in fusion power. Because fusion fixes everything.

And oh by the way, the average cost of commercial electricity in the US is less than 7₵ per kWh. In oh-so-green Germany, it's nearer to 35₵ per kWh. And all their green handwringing doesn't stop China and India producing more than half of the world's air pollution between them. So thanks to German''s "Clean Energy," its people are paying 5x the US's rate for electricity but the world isn't one iota cleaner for it. Nicely done, Fritz.

And then there's the 800-lb gorilla in the room no one is talking about. Who was it spent $1.5 billion (1948 $) rebuilding Germany after it was justifiably pounded into dust because the good people of der Vaterland couldn't tell a homicidal psychopath from the second coming of Jesus? And then that same benevolent country turned around and saved their sausage-eating asses again (at least the western half), this time from becoming just another Soviet puppet state. And in the long term it was the US that was the primary power behind the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of the nation.

The US couldn't bring back the 70-85 million killed in the war that Germany started but you're damn skippy it was the US that brought Germany back from the dead.

It also bears mention that socialism in the 20th Century murdered more humans than any other single organization or entity in the entire 200,000 years since the arrival of the Homo sapien.

Damn Beetle, I have ADD and can’t read your entire post.

Read some of the following posts he made after that.

Point being, don’t take that out of context.

Few deserve respect less than someone brash enough to demand it, especially if they actually believe their bloviating will produce the result they're hoping for.

Beetle, I like to think of myself as being intelligent, but you humble me with your posts. My brain just doesn’t work as quickly as yours & I can’t retain facts like you. Dammit to both.

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Few deserve respect less than someone brash enough to demand it, especially if they believe their bloviating will produce the result they're hoping for.

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Not sure why that set you off and made you angry? Are you as sensetive as this comes across? It's a genuine question as I am trying to understand.

I am reminded of the quote from Samuel Johnson, “You raise your voice when you should reinforce your argument.” There is no argument to reinforce in support of MMGW because there is no empirical evidence. Nothing but computer models with confirmation biased programming that produces predictions that the climate routinely refutes. If it was fo realz the science itself would suppress the opposition and they wouldn't have to resort to blatant oppression.

Wikipedia Airbrushes List of Climate Sceptic Scientists Out of History

Wikipedia has deleted its ‘List of Scientists Who Disagree with the Scientific Consensus on Global Warming’.

Stalin — who set the template for airbrushing inconvenient people out of history — would no doubt have heartily approved of this wanton act of censorship.

But what would probably have pleased him more is the magnificently twisted justification offered by the editor responsible.

“The result was delete. This is because I see a consensus here that there is no value in having a list that combines the qualities of a) being a scientist, in the general sense of that word, and b) disagreeing with the scientific consensus on global warming.”

What this Wikipedia editor is saying, in other words, is that if you’re a scientist who doesn’t believe in global warming then that automatically makes you not a scientist.

In fact many tens of thousands of scientists are sceptical of catastrophic man-made global warming theory, including some of the most eminent experts in the field, among them physicists Dr Richard Lindzen of MIT and Dr Will Happer of Princeton.

But the kind of intolerant leftists who tend to edit Wikipedia pages don’t want you to know this....




Delingpole is English, and an Oxford man, so naturally he misspells "skeptical" in the English fashion.

Getting awful serious in here...
Just want to remind you guys that, "Pussy and beer. "

That is all.

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Originally Posted by Beetlegeuse

For starters, if God died and left you in charge I didn't get the memo so unless and until I see "Moderator" under your avatar, I'll be as disrespectful to you as I please. Verstehst du mich, meine Knuddelbärchen?

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You know, I do my best to be civil on this board, especially when talking about subjects that a lot of people are very passionate about, but if you took my comment of "please be respectful in your replies if you don't agree with me" as god left me in charge, you can eat a dick and get fucked. I'll continue to talk and debate with people who are as respectful to me as I am to them. You are not one of them, asshole. There was absolutely no reason for you to come at me like that and put me on blast in front of the whole forum, when all I was doing was giving my experience, facts and point of view. Go back to 4chan if you want to start internet fights, goddamn troll.

I can't do this much reading


Buuuut,


We have the best healcare period < the ones who have it available to them. . . If you can't afford it or you don't qualify to be covered by the government/state - u r straight fucked


Mexico will have better coverage if you are a cash only customer for dollar spent


Don't even ask me how I know - but, I do - - - The cost of Chemo here will kill you financially. . . It's affordable by a commoner such as myslef in cash in Mx. . . This is bull shit. Here my close friend was buying antibiotics for his son off me when he was sick. This guy has a job & makes half decent money for a smallish company. Neither him, or his son qualify for anything



I'm done venting

https://youtu.be/pEb49cZYnsE


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Originally Posted by < >

I can't do this much reading


Buuuut,


We have the best healcare period < the ones who have it available to them. . . If you can't afford it or you don't qualify to be covered by the government/state - u r straight fucked


Mexico will have better coverage if you are a cash only customer for dollar spent


Don't even ask me how I know - but, I do - - - The cost of Chemo here will kill you financially. . . It's affordable by a commoner such as myslef in cash in Mx. . . This is bull shit. Here my close friend was buying antibiotics for his son off me when he was sick. This guy has a job & makes half decent money for a smallish company. Neither him, or his son qualify for anything



I'm done venting

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Please vent! You are spot on.

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Originally Posted by Beetlegeuse

I am reminded of the quote from Samuel Johnson, “You raise your voice when you should reinforce your argument.” There is no argument to reinforce in support of MMGW because there is no empirical evidence. Nothing but computer models with confirmation biased programming that produces predictions that the climate routinely refutes. If it was fo realz the science itself would suppress the opposition and they wouldn't have to resort to blatant oppression.

Wikipedia Airbrushes List of Climate Sceptic Scientists Out of History

Wikipedia has deleted its ‘List of Scientists Who Disagree with the Scientific Consensus on Global Warming’.

Stalin — who set the template for airbrushing inconvenient people out of history — would no doubt have heartily approved of this wanton act of censorship.

But what would probably have pleased him more is the magnificently twisted justification offered by the editor responsible.

“The result was delete. This is because I see a consensus here that there is no value in having a list that combines the qualities of a) being a scientist, in the general sense of that word, and b) disagreeing with the scientific consensus on global warming.”

What this Wikipedia editor is saying, in other words, is that if you’re a scientist who doesn’t believe in global warming then that automatically makes you not a scientist.

In fact many tens of thousands of scientists are sceptical of catastrophic man-made global warming theory, including some of the most eminent experts in the field, among them physicists Dr Richard Lindzen of MIT and Dr Will Happer of Princeton.

But the kind of intolerant leftists who tend to edit Wikipedia pages don’t want you to know this....




Delingpole is English, and an Oxford man, so naturally he misspells "skeptical" in the English fashion.

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He sets up a straw man argument, a favorite tactic of the right wing looney tunes who tend to occupy the less informed corners of the interwebs.

He claims that so many scientists dont think that man made global warming is catastrophic.

But in reality, scientists can fully believe that global warming is a man made condition, and still not be a catastrophic threat. And most of those could still fit in the group of 93% of scientists which believe that global warming is caused by human activity.

He sets up a straw man just to knock down. Typical disingenuous shit that the poorly educated trump cult eats up like hogs like to gobble up regurgitated slop.


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Originally Posted by tarmyg

Not sure why that set you off and made you angry? Are you as sensetive as this comes across? It's a genuine question as I am trying to understand.

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I agree. I think his E2 might be a bit high.


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Originally Posted by Beetlegeuse

I am reminded of the quote from Samuel Johnson, “You raise your voice when you should reinforce your argument.” There is no argument to reinforce in support of MMGW because there is no empirical evidence. Nothing but computer models with confirmation biased programming that produces predictions that the climate routinely refutes. If it was fo realz the science itself would suppress the opposition and they wouldn't have to resort to blatant oppression.

Wikipedia Airbrushes List of Climate Sceptic Scientists Out of History

Wikipedia has deleted its ‘List of Scientists Who Disagree with the Scientific Consensus on Global Warming’.

Stalin — who set the template for airbrushing inconvenient people out of history — would no doubt have heartily approved of this wanton act of censorship.

But what would probably have pleased him more is the magnificently twisted justification offered by the editor responsible.

“The result was delete. This is because I see a consensus here that there is no value in having a list that combines the qualities of a) being a scientist, in the general sense of that word, and b) disagreeing with the scientific consensus on global warming.”

What this Wikipedia editor is saying, in other words, is that if you’re a scientist who doesn’t believe in global warming then that automatically makes you not a scientist.

In fact many tens of thousands of scientists are sceptical of catastrophic man-made global warming theory, including some of the most eminent experts in the field, among them physicists Dr Richard Lindzen of MIT and Dr Will Happer of Princeton.

But the kind of intolerant leftists who tend to edit Wikipedia pages don’t want you to know this....




Delingpole is English, and an Oxford man, so naturally he misspells "skeptical" in the English fashion.

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Wikipedia didn’t delete or censor anything. It’s a board where users are free to edit anything. Some folks are just tired of seeing disinformation at every turn that gets vacuumed up by non critical thinkers who just believe whatever they read. Lazy consumers of information have no critical thinking skills.

They want to be spoon fed absurd shit in their information bubble like the new version of state run media, Pravda, AKA Fox News, without the uncomfortable intrusion of truth to upset their warped view of reality.

There are not two sides to every factual statement.

There is such a thing as objective truth.

There is no such thing as “alternative facts”, regardless of what this White House administration claims.

“Alternative facts” is another way of saying “lies”.

This video sums up the right wing information denial attempts pretty well.

https://youtu.be/H6fWCkwbZcc




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