Why no one is talking about Coronovirus

[Dgs59]

All my orals come from China, cheap as chips for years, something I need to fork out 160nin Australia I can get same from China for 35 ish... Now with corona going on I am worried and thinking if China is an option anymore....

Anyone else concerned? Should stop China?

On top of that, I heard that manufacturers all over the world using Chinese Supplies are stacking up supplies to ensure they have enough when RAWS are banned in China, aren't we running a risk of corona in these raw supplies also?

Should we be concerned about what carries in our gear in next 6 months when those corona infected RAWS are used to make our gear?

[Windex]

It's a respiratory infection. Stop the fear mongering.

[Gallowmere]

If corona can survive all of that heat, BA and BB, we have more to worry about than contaminated gear. Heh.

[Test Monsterone]

I think it's a fair question, but a couple of things... a virus by definition needs a host to survive. A virus, in and of itself, does not have the mechanisms to survive, so it is debatable if it's even alive... If you take a look at it's structure, it's basically like a dome that houses it's DNA, and legs that attach to cells. The DNA is inserted into the host, and that's how viruses multiply. Viruses are most often host specific, so a virus you get, your dog or cat wont get. Viruses don't survive very long outside of a host. The coronavirus has a 2-day "lifespan" which is actually pretty high. Inside a testosterone vial or a pill, the viruses would degrade quickly. Unless someone with the virus touched your gear along the way, right before you got it, you should be ok.

[PT1982]

Because this is the steroids Q&A section. I think there is a thread or 2 in the lounge.

[kelkel]

I refuse to worry about this. I'm still recovering from Y2K.

[Ashop]

I refuse to worry about this. I'm still recovering from Y2K.

Me too, still eating all the food an drinking that water before it expires

[IronLiver]

I think it's a fair question, but a couple of things... a virus by definition needs a host to survive. A virus, in and of itself, does not have the mechanisms to survive, so it is debatable if it's even alive... If you take a look at it's structure, it's basically like a dome that houses it's DNA, and legs that attach to cells. The DNA is inserted into the host, and that's how viruses multiply. Viruses are most often host specific, so a virus you get, your dog or cat wont get. Viruses don't survive very long outside of a host. The coronavirus has a 2-day "lifespan" which is actually pretty high. Inside a testosterone vial or a pill, the viruses would degrade quickly. Unless someone with the virus touched your gear along the way, right before you got it, you should be ok.

It has proven that virus are not alive. That are made mostly of protein and organic DNA. Viruses are solvents that dissolve degenerative tissue and organic waste. They are beneficial in preventing disease. I have also not seen any evidence that viruses can be transmitted. They are created in the body when the necessary bacteria and parasites are in short supply.

It is obvious to me at least that the coronovirus is just another fearmongering tactic, similar to ebola, swine flu, etc. They like to throw around magical deadly viruses every few years to keep the population in a state of fear. Don't get tested for coronovirus and whatever you do, don't take a vaccine and you will be fine.

[Test Monsterone]

It has proven that virus are not alive. That are made mostly of protein and organic DNA. Viruses are solvents that dissolve degenerative tissue and organic waste. They are beneficial in preventing disease. I have also not seen any evidence that viruses can be transmitted. They are created in the body when the necessary bacteria and parasites are in short supply.

It is obvious to me at least that the coronovirus is just another fearmongering tactic, similar to ebola, swine flu, etc. They like to throw around magical deadly viruses every few years to keep the population in a state of fear. Don't get tested for coronovirus and whatever you do, don't take a vaccine and you will be fine.

Like I said, it is debated whether they are dead or alive. By the definition of what defines all other living creatures, viruses are dead.

You have not seen evidence that viruses can be transmitted? Ever heard of AIDS, or the Flu?

[IronLiver]

Like I said, it is debated whether they are dead or alive. By the definition of what defines all other living creatures, viruses are dead.

You have not seen evidence that viruses can be transmitted? Ever heard of AIDS, or the Flu?

Yes, neither of them are transmittable. AIDs is a "retrovirus" and is not sexually transmitted. You can take an AIDs test one day and have it and another test the next day and not have it. Check out this wonderful documentary to learn more.

[Test Monsterone]

Yes, neither of them are transmittable. AIDs is a "retrovirus" and is not sexually transmitted. You can take an AIDs test one day and have it and another test the next day and not have it. Check out this wonderful documentary to learn more.

An STD just means the disease is transmitted through blood sharing/contact during sex. The guy in the video says that no laboratory has ever shown that the HIV virus can be transmitted sexually... Well who are they going to have volunteer to screw someone with AIDS for fuck's sake? I'm not trying to argue because in my experience with conspiracy believers, there's no getting through to them with logic or facts. All a retrovirus means is a virus that contains an RNA strand (single strand) instead of the double-helix DNA strand we are used to seeing. It has a different way of transcribing DNA but it doesn't mean it cannot be transmitted. By definition, viruses need a host to exist in, and they survive by being transmitted from one host to another through various pathways.

Would you fuck someone with AIDS based on this video?

[IronLiver]

An STD just means the disease is transmitted through blood sharing/contact during sex. The guy in the video says that no laboratory has ever shown that the HIV virus can be transmitted sexually... Well who are they going to have volunteer to screw someone with AIDS for fuck's sake? I'm not trying to argue because in my experience with conspiracy believers, there's no getting through to them with logic or facts. All a retrovirus means is a virus that contains an RNA strand (single strand) instead of the double-helix DNA strand we are used to seeing. It has a different way of transcribing DNA but it doesn't mean it cannot be transmitted. By definition, viruses need a host to exist in, and they survive by being transmitted from one host to another through various pathways.

Would you fuck someone with AIDS based on this video?

They don't survive by being transmitted because they aren't alive to begin with.

We are all here to learn, so there's no reason to get upset.

If someone had AIDs I would have sex with them because from my research, there seems to be no way that it is transmitted.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

[IronLiver]

You didn't get that from Owen benjamin did you?

[i_SLAM_cougars]

You didn't get that from Owen benjamin did you?

I pulled it off of Facebook. Couldn’t tell you where it originates, but it sure does hit the nail on the head

[IronLiver]

I pulled it off of Facebook. Couldn’t tell you where it originates, but it sure does hit the nail on the head

I just saw it an hour ago on his show and laughed. People seem to forget about all these things. Which brings me back to my previous point that coronovirus is just another tactic to keep us in a state of fear.

[Dgs59]

Thanks everyone for replies, that makes sense, it will not survive the journey without the host...

[tarmyg]

It has proven that virus are not alive. That are made mostly of protein and organic DNA. Viruses are solvents that dissolve degenerative tissue and organic waste. They are beneficial in preventing disease. I have also not seen any evidence that viruses can be transmitted. They are created in the body when the necessary bacteria and parasites are in short supply.

It is obvious to me at least that the coronovirus is just another fearmongering tactic, similar to ebola, swine flu, etc. They like to throw around magical deadly viruses every few years to keep the population in a state of fear. Don't get tested for coronovirus and whatever you do, don't take a vaccine and you will be fine.

Wtf are you on? Don’t take a vaccine? Are you being ironic?

[Gallowmere]

Wtf are you on? Don’t take a vaccine? Are you being ironic?

Same guy who had drank the “plant foods are poisoning you” Kool-Aide from YouTube hucksters. Are you really surprised?

[Proximal]

If the gear itself, the vial or bottle it is in or the box it was sent in and the person that handled that item had the virus on their hands, sure it could be transferred (as could the cold or flu).

The question is long it will survive and from what I read, it ranges from 2 hours to 9 days. The World Health Organization states that is unable to survive for long periods of time on packages and letters.

Valid question. This virus is going to spread like wild-fire, thank God it’s mild for most.

[Test Monsterone]

They just cancelled the Arnold expo and amateur show. They're only keeping it for the pros and the judges, due to the coronavirus.

[Proximal]

Personally, this is why I feel more relieved regarding terrorists. This is an insanely easy and virtually invisible way of wreaking havoc on the US, overwhelm the healthcare industry, cause businesses to lose tens of millions & kill multiple folks to boot. Hell, they don’t even have to off themselves.

[thegodfather]

If someone had AIDs I would have sex with them because from my research, there seems to be no way that it is transmitted.

This is the stupidest shit I have heard in a while. I worked with a guy in the Irish Army who said dumb things like this, he thought AIDS was created by the CIA and the Jews. HIV is pretty real to the people who die from it. You can literally see the virus under an electron scanning microscope, its real bud. Jesus christ.

[Fiskevatten]

It's so damn scary how easily influenced people are and how little fact is actually checked... Truly, it terrifies me to see how stupid people are
and the need for "group acceptance" weight heavier than common sense...

[Beetlegeuse]

Irrational fear of coronavirus driving people to release their inner idiot

Most people are dumb deep down, but we fake normal operation until there's a perceived threat.

Avoid unnecessary contact, Wash your hands. Have a decent amount of food and water on hand. These are things that Americans should be doing anyway. It’s good to see people starting to take these standard precautions more seriously.

If that was the extent of the reactions to the coronavirus, we’d be in good shape. Unfortunately, people are taking it a bit too far. Dare I say they’re becoming hysterical?

In lieu of a long explanation of why the coronavirus is killing much fewer people than the flu or how getting the coronavirus is not a death sentence, I’ll offer a brief rant. Calm down, folks. This isn’t the end of the world, and if it is, stocking up on toilet paper isn’t going to keep judgment from hitting your doorstep. As our EIC just Tweeted:

To the people buying hundreds of rolls of toilet paper, here's a thought...

If the coronavirus gets so bad that you can't get toilet paper, we'll have much bigger problems than wiping.

I can understand the desire to have bottled water on hand as well as canned meats. Stocking up on bleach wipes is a little odd to me. But the toilet paper rush that’s currently happening is silly. We need to handle this situation with a bit more rational thought, and that means understanding the difference between a killer outbreak like the Spanish Flu and the coronavirus, which appears to be a highly contagious but relatively innocuous disease when compared to the killing power of the regular flu.

Still, it’s good to see people reacting to it at all. Hopefully, this will translate into proper preparations across the board and not just during times of perceived panic.

People are panicking because people are panicking. The panic is more contagious than the disease itself. Let’s all take a deep breath, assess our real needs, and prepare for short outages of supplies. Going extreme is an irrational overreaction.

[GearHeaded]

just to add some clarification to some of the posts above..

AIDS is NOT a sexually transmitted 'virus' . AIDS is an auto immune disease. plenty of people, even virgins and children, have Auto Immune Disease.
if you have "AIDS" and have unprotected sex with someone, that other person is not going to suddenly and instantly have transmitted "AIDS" .. again, AIDS is a disease/illness , not a virus or STD.

NOW ,, HIV is a , quote, "virus" that can be transmitted sexually. but HIV is not AIDS, and AIDS does not mean you have HIV.
heck you can live with HIV for 30 years (like Magic Johnson) and never get "AIDS" .. or , again you can be a virgin and never get HIV yet one day get sick with AIDS.


note - there are tons of books and medical research articles that have been written over the years showing that there is no real direct connection between HIV and AIDS . or that AIDS itself is a sexually transmitted disease .

its like someone with Type 1 Diabetes (which is a type of AIDS, ie, Auto Immune Disease) sleeping with someone, and the person they sleep with also suddenly becomes a type 1 diabetic as well . lol, it doesn't work that way.

the whole "AIDS is an STD" thing is totally inaccurate.

[GearHeaded]

as for Corona Virus .. I'd be more concerned with the common cold and the flu . 1000s of people die every year from the common cold and flu . last year 156 children died from the flu in the US . you know how many children died from the corona virus in the US .. ZERO!

[IronLiver]

just to add some clarification to some of the posts above..

AIDS is NOT a sexually transmitted 'virus' . AIDS is an auto immune disease. plenty of people, even virgins and children, have Auto Immune Disease.
if you have "AIDS" and have unprotected sex with someone, that other person is not going to suddenly and instantly have transmitted "AIDS" .. again, AIDS is a disease/illness , not a virus or STD.

NOW ,, HIV is a , quote, "virus" that can be transmitted sexually. but HIV is not AIDS, and AIDS does not mean you have HIV.
heck you can live with HIV for 30 years (like Magic Johnson) and never get "AIDS" .. or , again you can be a virgin and never get HIV yet one day get sick with AIDS.

note - there are tons of books and medical research articles that have been written over the years showing that there is no real direct connection between HIV and AIDS . or that AIDS itself is a sexually transmitted disease .

its like someone with Type 1 Diabetes (which is a type of AIDS, ie, Auto Immune Disease) sleeping with someone, and the person they sleep with also suddenly becomes a type 1 diabetic as well . lol, it doesn't work that way.

the whole "AIDS is an STD" thing is totally inaccurate.

There have been a lot of great researchers recently coming out and doing interviews on all of this, due to the coronovirus nonsense. Magic Johnson did not die from so called AIDS becuase he never got the AZT treatment. People that are diagnosed with AIDS get AZT therapy and usually end up dead in about 6 months to a year. Not from AIDS but from the treatment. Viruses do not seem to be transmitted to another person in other way but by injecting it.

[Gallowmere]

as for Corona Virus .. I'd be more concerned with the common cold and the flu . 1000s of people die every year from the common cold and flu . last year 156 children died from the flu in the US . you know how many children died from the corona virus in the US .. ZERO!

It’s interesting, but I think the freakout has more to do with potential mortality based on age. This one has a weird mortality curve that’s almost entirely contained in the 60+ year age bracket. Usually it’s more of an inverse bell curve that’s most fatal in the young and elderly.
I am personally amused by this, purely because I’ve been pretty vocal about people “dying too damned long” over the past few decades, and the problem only getting worse. We keep trying to keep the elderly alive (and milkable) longer, while their quality of life goes to utter shit. The planet’s solution appears to be shit like Corona.

[GearHeaded]

It’s interesting, but I think the freakout has more to do with potential mortality based on age. This one has a weird mortality curve that’s almost entirely contained in the 60+ year age bracket. Usually it’s more of an inverse bell curve that’s most fatal in the young and elderly.
I am personally amused by this, purely because I’ve been pretty vocal about people “dying too damned long” over the past few decades, and the problem only getting worse. We keep trying to keep the elderly alive (and milkable) longer, while their quality of life goes to utter shit. The planet’s solution appears to be shit like Corona.

perhaps the Chinese "invented" Corona and got it out there for 'population control' eh . a country with 1.5 billion people, wouldn't surprise me if that crossed their mind. heck China's population of just elderly people alone is greater then most countries entire population.
heck, If you have more the one child they will execute you

[kelkel]

To the people buying hundreds of rolls of toilet paper

But (or butt) seriously, you can never have to much toilet paper.....

[GearHeaded]

But (or butt) seriously, you can never have to much toilet paper.....

as a gym owner, it pisses me off that I'm having a hard time finding damn toilet paper and hand sanitizer !
with 800 members coming through there we go through a ton of both of those .. and thats oddly the two things people are hoarding the most

[Proximal]

You know Gallow, there is a part of me that agrees with you regarding the elderly being kept alive, just because medicine can. I worked as a PT in a nursing home about 30 years back. The average age there was early 90’s.

I was referred to this woman’s room, just to try to get her up and walking. She’s lying there, with the coolest, most beautiful head of grey hair I think I’ve seen, just still is vivid in my head. The pictures of her on her wall of herself were gorgeous.

I don’t recall her chart, but I think she fought everything there was to fight. I do recall though that she had to have eyedrops regularly because her tear glands didn’t function and she was always in pain from that and other ailments.

I introduced myself as she lied there & tried to make small-talk. I asked her if there was anything that currently she enjoyed doing and this was her honest to God answer.

She told me she liked to lie perfectly still in bed and pretended/hoped that she was dead.

The impact was heavy. For the life of me, I cant recall anything further about that incident, nothing that followed at all.

I have 2 quotes on the board at school, which I’ve isolated myself from currently because I am coughing like a m-f’r.

There is nothing to fear but fear itself. And one from me - You are ALL going to be alright.

The unknown tends to f with people doesn’t it.

[Proximal]

But (or butt) seriously, you can never have to much toilet paper.....

JC you guys need to get a toilet with a bidet. My wife needed one because of her hemorrhoids (ok, perhaps too much information, lol). Greatest invention ever, I swear!

[Gallowmere]

You know Gallow, there is a part of me that agrees with you regarding the elderly being kept alive, just because medicine can. I worked as a PT in a nursing home about 30 years back. The average age there was early 90’s.

I was referred to this woman’s room, just to try to get her up and walking. She’s lying there, with the coolest, most beautiful head of grey hair I think I’ve seen, just still is vivid in my head. The pictures of her on her wall of herself were gorgeous.

I don’t recall her chart, but I think she fought everything there was to fight. I do recall though that she had to have eyedrops regularly because her tear glands didn’t function and she was always in pain from that and other ailments.

I introduced myself as she lied there & tried to make small-talk. I asked her if there was anything that currently she enjoyed doing and this was her honest to God answer.

She told me she liked to lie perfectly still in bed and pretended/hoped that she was dead.

The impact was heavy. For the life of me, I cant recall anything further about that incident, nothing that followed at all.

I have 2 quotes on the board at school, which I’ve isolated myself from currently because I am coughing like a m-f’r.

There is nothing to fear but fear itself. And one from me - You are ALL going to be alright.

The unknown tends to f with people doesn’t it.

My girlfriend’s son is actually on a trajectory for that very career path. He has spent a lot of time in a nursing home due to her mother being a resident there for years. He considered nursing at first, until she and I talked to him regarding the realities of why most of those people are in there to begin with. You spend decades sitting on your ass, treating your body like a dumpster, then get propped up with drugs to bandaid symptoms and we have your average home population member. His desire to help is admirable, but I’m going to be interested to see how he handles the reality of the work, considering how emotional of a person he is.

Her mother is actually the polar opposite of the woman you mentioned, and in ways that are both depressing and frustrating. She gets bitchy with Bug because she wants a reality that can never exist again. Refuses to accept that she’s reached the end of her physical viability (she’s been wheelchair bound for well over a decade and required a walker for decades before that, due to poorly controlled T2D and nasty sarcopenia), but refuses to do any of the work or dietary changes that could help. She’s a sweet woman, but is a pretty goddamned stellar example of a life that’s been dragged along for way too fucking long.

[Proximal]

I started off thinking I’d work pediatrics, then I did my residency at NYU. Teenager with post brain trauma from a car accident. Again, pics everywhere. He was a stud & star football player, not now. No visitors. He was in a combative state, tried to claw & bite everyone.

I stuck mostly with orthopedics & sports medicine because you can generally count on improvement.

I personally think the emotion is good, but it takes its toll. There are angels & saints out there doing this on a daily basis. I didn’t have the strength to keep working with all of that pain.

My mother in law died slowly of cancer, but for as much as we always butted heads, damn she was a fighter & went out strong, only tapping out when the chemo did more harm then good.

I wish your gf’s son the very best.

[99JT]

as a gym owner, it pisses me off that I'm having a hard time finding damn toilet paper and hand sanitizer !
with 800 members coming through there we go through a ton of both of those .. and thats oddly the two things people are hoarding the most

It's amazing people are panicking that the stores are out of hand sanitizer yet one shelve over is stocked with rubbing alcohol. Walmart is now limiting the amount of bread (and who knows what else) that you can buy. I own a restaurant and use their French bread for French toast and never had a problem until this week I only had 5 which I gotten way more at once and had to get manager approval.

[< <Samson> >]

Check this shit

Sam’s Club this afternoon, all sold out of ass paper & paper towels

[SingNirvana]

People are panic buying here. I hope it will stop soon.

[bethdoth]

Ok not to change the subject, but to bring it back in a different way.

In the past heavy tren dose has caused me some respiratory issues. Lets just say a person is on one of those cycles that impacts their respiratory system, and bamm a damn Corona virus infected person gets a day pass to your gym and spreads it all over the lockerroom and you get it.

Do you feel you are at a higher risk of death because your respiratory system is not 100% while on this massive cycle? Just a hypothetical!