South Dakota Has it Right

**GearHeaded** · 05-11-2020, 09:59 PM

South Dakota NEVER did a lockdown and all business have remained opened to this day.. yet they per capita of people testing positive have the lowest death rate in the state.
no economic disaster there. no police state.. people working and doing just fine.

meanwhile NY locks everyone in their apartments and closes all businesses. and 66% of all new hospitalizations there are coming from people who have been at home locked down.
and the death rate there is obviously the highest in the nation.
lockdown = death

think about it. if you have a million people and tell them they can only go out and go to these 3 essential stores, and so your going to filter all these people into those 3 stores only. your likely going to make the virus spread..
whereas if people can spread out, if 1000 different stores were open instead of just 3 , your not filtering them all together, your spreading them out.

anyhow, South Dakota. they let everyone roam and spread out and go about business and they have the lowest death rate per capita then any other state.

and guess what.. the people never rioted there or tried to sue the governor. instead they threw the governor a parade in thanks.

South Dakota has it right

their slogan
"Under God THE People Rule"

**2jz_calgary** · 05-13-2020, 05:49 AM

Damn that's cool. Where I live things are starting to open this thursday. I think all that distancing crap still applies. Which means people will be lined up like cattle.

**C27H40O3** · 05-13-2020, 07:47 AM

What three essential stores? I’m in New York and By me almost every store on the block stayed open, they all mostly serve some kind of food or sell necessary household products. Pizzerias, delis, grocery stores, diners, bagel places, Home Depot, Chinese restaurants, Mexican restaurants, Dominican restaurants, cuchifritos, liquor stores, gas station, Arab delis, chicken spots, rib spots, Staples, Lowe’s, harbor freight, kosher delis, Italian restaurants, hardware stores.

With The restaurants, you can’t sit down. you call in your order, and they bring it out to you when you call them upon arrival. They scan you card on some wireless device or a phone. Or they deliver. All the others you can go in. Home Depot only lets 100 folks in their store at a time. There is a short line there.

What are you talking about three stores?

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**The Deadlifting Dog** · 05-13-2020, 09:22 AM

I think the real reason South Dakota is better off than say New York is simply due to population density.

SD has 11.3 people per square mile
NY has 421 people per square mile

In order for a virus to spread it needs to come in contact with other people....

For every person you come across in SD, you'd come across over 37 people in NY.

Hence why social distancing was put into effect.

**GearHeaded** · 05-13-2020, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by C27H40O3

What three essential stores?

What are you talking about three stores?

dude, Corona must be effecting your brain.

come on.. duh , you really think I literally meant just 3 stores in all of NY were open. stop and think about it.

of all the thousands of different types of stores you could all go to 6 months ago .. everyone is forced to go to just the few "essential" ones/types . so your funneling everyone through these essential stores rather then allowing them to spread out like usual.
lol I wasn't literally talking about 3 actual physical stores , come on man

**GearHeaded** · 05-13-2020, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

I think the real reason South Dakota is better off than say New York is simply due to population density..

this is very true .

but the stat I had referenced was a stat based on POSITIVE corona virus cases. not negative or non tested. so in Dakota of all the people that test positive , they have the lowest death rate in the nation per capita per positive test.
so even if you compare NY to SD. and they have massively different populations , you can still get an apple to apple comparison based on deaths % per positive case.

anyhow .. yeah with such low population density, places like wyoming, Montana, South Dakota .. shouldn't need to shut down like NY.
and SD never did shut down and they have the lowest covid death rate in the nation .
just shows how our nation is all different and shouldn't all be treated the same.

**Gallowmere** · 05-13-2020, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

I think the real reason South Dakota is better off than say New York is simply due to population density.

SD has 11.3 people per square mile
NY has 421 people per square mile

In order for a virus to spread it needs to come in contact with other people....

For every person you come across in SD, you'd come across over 37 people in NY.

Hence why social distancing was put into effect.

It gets even more granular than that.
When you consider NY’s biggest problem area (Manhattan), it has a density of nearly 70,000/square mile. NYC as a whole is sporting well over 25,000 per.
All you have to do is go to literally any other part of the state and your risk of contact infection from anything would drop by several orders of magnitude or more.
IIRC, over half of the entire state’s cases were in NYC alone. So in a state with 54,556 sq mi of area, 302.643 sq mi of that accounts for over half of the problems.

**C27H40O3** · 05-13-2020, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

dude, Corona must be effecting your brain.

come on.. duh , you really think I literally meant just 3 stores in all of NY were open. stop and think about it.

of all the thousands of different types of stores you could all go to 6 months ago .. everyone is forced to go to just the few "essential" ones/types . so your funneling everyone through these essential stores rather then allowing them to spread out like usual.
lol I wasn't literally talking about 3 actual physical stores , come on man

Aside from the main three types of stores, how much time do you spend in others usually? Book stores? Guitar stores? flower stores? I spend time in grocery stores and restaurants, hardware stores and sometimes autopart stores. All these stayed open, where else do I go? I havent been to the movies in over a year. netflix and Hulu take care of that need. i rather learn shit on youtube anyway.

every place i needed to go this last two months i went. i just couldnt go to the supermarket at 2AM. they close at 8PM to sanitize. that does suck. and the normally 24 hour restaurants close at midnight. that does suck also. ANd the subway shuts down at 1AM to 5AM now to get sanitized. again, that sucks. other than that shit, the closing hasnt affected my. i dont like the beach. i dont like big public gatherings anyway.

**C27H40O3** · 05-13-2020, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

It gets even more granular than that.
When you consider NY’s biggest problem area (Manhattan), it has a density of nearly 70,000/square mile. NYC as a whole is sporting well over 25,000 per.
All you have to do is go to literally any other part of the state and your risk of contact infection from anything would drop by several orders of magnitude or more.
IIRC, over half of the entire state’s cases were in NYC alone. So in a state with 54,556 sq mi of area, 302.643 sq mi of that accounts for over half of the problems.

NYC has about 1/4 of all the country's covid deaths to date.

When I worked as a utility meter reader in the Bronx years ago, my team covered one square mile area and there were 80,000 folks living in that area. 80,000 people per square mile. manhattan has more in the residential parts, and if businesses are open during a work day, there are plenty more than that in one square mile. folks from NY, NJ, tourists from all over the world.

**GearHeaded** · 05-13-2020, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by C27H40O3

NYC has about 1/4 of all the country's covid deaths to date. .

NY city is a Cess Pool of filth, left wing demigods and corruption, life hating baby murdering, money stealing, greedy filthy, democrat humanist globalist sickos .. NY city is getting off easy if you ask me. "Cloverfield" is what you all really deserve.. thats just an opinion.

perhaps you'll all go the way of Nivevah (after Jonah calls for your repentance) and you'll be spared from what you really deserve

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 05-13-2020, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

NY city is a Cess Pool of filth, left wing demigods and corruption, life hating baby murdering, money stealing, greedy filthy, democrat humanist globalist sickos .. NY city is getting off easy if you ask me. "Cloverfield" is what you all really deserve.. thats just an opinion.

perhaps you'll all go the way of Nivevah (after Jonah calls for your repentance) and you'll be spared from what you really deserve

It always strikes me as humorous that the so called "religious folk" are often the most hate filled and unforgiven

**GearHeaded** · 05-13-2020, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

It always strikes me as humorous that the so called "religious folk" are often the most hate filled and unforgiven

"religious folk" generally pay attention and call out filth when they see it .. while the non religious simply walk by flith, greed, corruption, murder, robbery, etc.. without batting an eye at it . so I guess they look self righteous in their own eyes by not saying a thing. but the minute someone religious speaks out against corruption , that person is all the sudden a hate monger.

**GearHeaded** · 05-13-2020, 04:49 PM

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness
Matthew 23

But he responded, “Do you see all these buildings? I tell you the truth, they will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!”
Matthew 24

Jesus was a hate monger too .. told Jerusalem it was filth and filled with dead mens bones because of its corruption.. then said the entire city was going to be demolished and burnt with fire (which it was 40 years later after he said that).

so they crucified him for being a "hate monger" and speaking out against corruption lol .

oh geesh, its so terrible to call a spade a spade eh . your a hate monger for calling out a corrupt city.
only takes 2 mins of research to learn that NY city is one of the most corrupt cities in the US.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 05-13-2020, 05:09 PM

Comparing yourself to Jesus....

wow...

I didn't realize I was in such esteemed company.

And by the way...

Wasn't it your book that said "judge not lest you be judged yourself"?

But seriously...

Saying that NY got off easy when over 21,000 people have died is just a sick twisted comment.

Do you honestly believe that all of those 21,000 plus were "left wing..., life hating baby murdering, money stealing, greedy filthy, democrat humanist globalist sickos"?

Look in the mirror my friend...

**kelkel** · 05-13-2020, 05:14 PM

On a serious note, I got a haircut yesterday.

It was awesome.

**GearHeaded** · 05-13-2020, 05:15 PM

whatever , your just looking for a fight. not going to satisfy you with your bullshit petty arguments

**GearHeaded** · 05-13-2020, 05:18 PM

on a side note , its the corrupt politicians, bankers, corporations, Wall Street robbers, etc.. that are the issue. NOT the hard working good people of NY.
but of course you can't think past a simple comment into deeper things before jumping on here and making a rash comment

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 05-13-2020, 05:53 PM

GH....

I am not starting a fight...
I simply pointed out my thoughts on why SD was in better shape than NY.

I believe there are things we can agree on here....

Every state is different....
because of that...
the government fucked up by trying to do a one size fits all solution.

People in uncongested areas with low infection rates needn't follow the same rules as heavily populated areas with a high infection rate.

Our government also dropped the ball in many different ways...
We were behind on beefing up our hospitals and getting people tested to name just a few.

Thankfully our government has handed some decisions to the states... (such as when they can reopen...)

I think this whole Covid thing was a major cluster fuck.
However I do think that by shutting us down they did prevent many more deaths.
I do understand that there are side effects to shutting down.
I do think that many areas of America can return to some sort of normalcy.

It is all a rather unfortunate situation.

I do wish we could all keep religion and politics out of it...

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 05-13-2020, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

On a serious note, I got a haircut yesterday.

It was awesome.

I have given myself two haircuts since the shutdown.

I do like a nice tight trim.

(I also like nice tight trim.)

**C27H40O3** · 05-13-2020, 06:01 PM

The title of this thread should have been "south Dakota has it right, for South Dakota." Because thats as much as can be said from looking at the stats.

I can start one called "New York has it right, for New York".

**C27H40O3** · 05-13-2020, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness
Matthew 23

But he responded, “Do you see all these buildings? I tell you the truth, they will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!”
Matthew 24

Jesus was a hate monger too .. told Jerusalem it was filth and filled with dead mens bones because of its corruption.. then said the entire city was going to be demolished and burnt with fire (which it was 40 years later after he said that).

so they crucified him for being a "hate monger" and speaking out against corruption lol .

oh geesh, its so terrible to call a spade a spade eh . your a hate monger for calling out a corrupt city.
only takes 2 mins of research to learn that NY city is one of the most corrupt cities in the US.

How specifically is it corrupt? Where is the institutional corruption? It might have the usual corrupt politician here and there over the years, but that doesnt make the city corrupt.

**C27H40O3** · 05-13-2020, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

"religious folk" generally pay attention and call out filth when they see it .. while the non religious simply walk by flith, greed, corruption, murder, robbery, etc.. without batting an eye at it . so I guess they look self righteous in their own eyes by not saying a thing. but the minute someone religious speaks out against corruption , that person is all the sudden a hate monger.

Really?
Where are the religious folk calling out this corrupt swindler conman in the whitehouse? Aside from Christianity Today, which was the only Christian entity I have seen with the balls to call this scumbag grifter out for what he is. And why did what seems like every other Christian organization call that magazine to be smote from the face of the earth for being honest. Where are all the church folks calling out the corruption and self-dealing of this president?

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct...om-office.html

Trump Should Be Removed from Office

The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.

Trump’s evangelical supporters have pointed to his Supreme Court nominees, his defense of religious liberty, and his stewardship of the economy, among other things, as achievements that justify their support of the president. We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see. This damages the institution of the presidency, damages the reputation of our country, and damages both the spirit and the future of our people. None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.

Whether Mr. Trump should be removed from office by the Senate or by popular vote next election—that is a matter of prudential judgment. That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments.

To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?

We have reserved judgment on Mr. Trump for years now. Some have criticized us for our reserve. But when it comes to condemning the behavior of another, patient charity must come first. So we have done our best to give evangelical Trump supporters their due, to try to understand their point of view, to see the prudential nature of so many political decisions they have made regarding Mr. Trump. To use an old cliché, it’s time to call a spade a spade, to say that no matter how many hands we win in this political poker game, we are playing with a stacked deck of gross immorality and ethical incompetence. And just when we think it’s time to push all our chips to the center of the table, that’s when the whole game will come crashing down. It will crash down on the reputation of evangelical religion and on the world’s understanding of the gospel. And it will come crashing down on a nation of men and women whose welfare is also our concern.

Christianity Today is to be commended for putting their Christian beliefs before their politics. Its unfortunate that so many other Christians today have conveniently forgotten their values when it comes to this orange hype man.

**GearHeaded** · 05-13-2020, 06:53 PM

I should probably go back to debating things like the difference between hepatic IGF output vs intercellular IGF output, and which one is most repsponsible for initiation of Hypertrophy or ultimately hyperplasia.

politics and religion is so damn subjective and everyone pulls anything they want out of their ass and has zero proof other then their own social conventions, life experience, and stupid irrational opinions to support what they "think" .

thats why the news is all bullshit politic war games station vs station.. theres hardly any reporting of actual news. its all just political war games.

meanwhile actual news is never reported.
in the last month or so we had a 6.5 magnitude earthquake in Idaho, an earthquake in Utah, and another in Yosemite. that doesn't get reported.. a volcano in Iceland that has not been active for 800 years just erupted. a thousand dead birds were found all over the streets in a town in lousiana mysteriously, and 100s of dead fish were poping up in nearby lakes. in the midst of "global warming" Aurstalia just recorded their coldest day in may in their country's history (amid blizzards). in the month of February, around the world from Japan, Chile, Mexico, US, etc.. there were more "UFO" sightings reported in that one month alone, with camera footage, then has ever been recorded (I don't believe that shit just saying its still news worthy ). or that Canada just banned guns nationwide.
^ yet none of this shit makes the news .. only Arguments about General Flynn , or the left did this, or republicans that , etc.. its all just politics, there is no real news being reported.

**C27H40O3** · 05-13-2020, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

It always strikes me as humorous that the so called "religious folk" are often the most hate filled and unforgiven

Yeah, right? You noticed that also?

**C27H40O3** · 05-13-2020, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

I should probably go back to debating things like the difference between hepatic IGF output vs intercellular IGF output, and which one is most repsponsible for initiation of Hypertrophy or ultimately hyperplasia.

I said I respect your help with issues here.

**Gallowmere** · 05-14-2020, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

I should probably go back to debating things like the difference between hepatic IGF output vs intercellular IGF output, and which one is most repsponsible for initiation of Hypertrophy or ultimately hyperplasia.

politics and religion is so damn subjective and everyone pulls anything they want out of their ass and has zero proof other then their own social conventions, life experience, and stupid irrational opinions to support what they "think" .

thats why the news is all bullshit politic war games station vs station.. theres hardly any reporting of actual news. its all just political war games.

meanwhile actual news is never reported.
in the last month or so we had a 6.5 magnitude earthquake in Idaho, an earthquake in Utah, and another in Yosemite. that doesn't get reported.. a volcano in Iceland that has not been active for 800 years just erupted. a thousand dead birds were found all over the streets in a town in lousiana mysteriously, and 100s of dead fish were poping up in nearby lakes. in the midst of "global warming" Aurstalia just recorded their coldest day in may in their country's history (amid blizzards). in the month of February, around the world from Japan, Chile, Mexico, US, etc.. there were more "UFO" sightings reported in that one month alone, with camera footage, then has ever been recorded (I don't believe that shit just saying its still news worthy ). or that Canada just banned guns nationwide.
^ yet none of this shit makes the news .. only Arguments about General Flynn , or the left did this, or republicans that , etc.. its all just politics, there is no real news being reported.

That’s because news was monetized via ad revenue decades ago. Now, like obnoxious YouTubers, they peddle what sells. Blame the people who only tune in for the exact stupid partisan bullshit you mentioned. Blame the ones who turn the channel when it isn’t showing either political bickering or politicized suffering. Blame the ones who demand that life be portrayed as a team sport.
In short, blame the consumer.

**diesel101** · 05-14-2020, 10:22 AM

Our governor did not shut the state down she left it up to the local governments to decide. Most of our towns did shut down the restaurants,gyms and bars for about a month. The only out breaks we had were in a couple of our larger towns that had meat packing plants in them. The main problem with the plants were that most of the employees are minorities that live 3-4 families in small houses or apartments so the actual spreading was done at home.

Due to our small population being spread out so far other than the few counties that have the larger towns in them most of our counties haven't even had one case in them.

One other thing is that us South Dakotans aren't a bunch of liberal pussies that worry about everything and run to the doctor every time we have a runny nose.