Is this irony?

[Hughinn]

When other nations have facist coups the coup leaders do several thing to ensure that their coup is successful.

1) They surround the Capital with soldiers to prevent the people from interfering with their takeover and to make it look like there are no protesters and everyone supports the new government.
2) They ensure control of the media to make sure that the news being reported conforms to their standards.
3) They either imprison or find a way to prevent the former leader from speaking to the citizens.
4) They destroy the opposition party to make sure that there are no counter opinions.
5) They find ways to limit the opposition from communicating with each other.

This template is followed without exception.

I don't know about anyone else but to me this is currently happening in the United States. Action by action, checking all the boxes.

After hearing for the past 4 years, that Donald Trump is "facist dictator". We have an incoming administration putting on a show of power that rivals that of any facist dictator in human history.

They're literally calling for ideological screening of the soldiers they plan to put on display.

Joseph stalin couldn't have put on a better show of a facist takeover.

Is that irony?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

When other nations have facist coups the coup leaders do several thing to ensure that their coup is successful.

1) They surround the Capital with soldiers to prevent the people from interfering with their takeover and to make it look like there are no protesters and everyone supports the new government.
Nope: The Capitol is surrounded with soldiers to prevent any Trumper riot. People can protest elsewhere and OAN will cover it plenty.
2) They ensure control of the media to make sure that the news being reported conforms to their standards.
Nope: The Biden administration isn't even in power yet. How are they controlling the media? Fox, and Newsmax, and OAN, and Breitbart will be there.
3) They either imprison or find a way to prevent the former leader from speaking to the citizens.
Nope: I guarantee you that every channel in America would love for him to give a speech. He is the one hiding. The Biden administration hasn't censored him at all. Biden isn't even in office yet.
4) They destroy the opposition party to make sure that there are no counter opinions.
Nope: Trump destroyed the Republican party. Ask any republican who isn't a Trump loyalist. My two best friends are republicans. You would call them RINOs.
5) They find ways to limit the opposition from communicating with each other.
Nope: While big tech may have bitch slapped Trump and taken away his toys in order to prevent more violence... Biden has nothing to do with this. He isn't even in power yet. Trumpers can still call, mail, text, email, talk in person, or send smoke signals. Not to mention fringe sites like 4chan.

This template is followed without exception.
We obviously disagree on this.


I don't know about anyone else but to me this is currently happening in the United States. Action by action, checking all the boxes.

After hearing for the past 4 years, that Donald Trump is "facist dictator". We have an incoming administration putting on a show of power that rivals that of any facist dictator in human history.

They're literally calling for ideological screening of the soldiers they plan to put on display.
Nope: The soldiers are not on display. They are there to protect the interests of America. They are putting their lives on the line.
They screen them to make sure that they aren't driven by self interest over the interest of the nation which they swore to protect.

Joseph stalin couldn't have put on a better show of a facist takeover.

Is that irony?

Isn't it ironic that you can't stop talking about fascism but you can't even spell it correctly.

And the Capitol is spelled with an "O" not an "A". Just saying.

[Hughinn]

Isn't it ironic that you can't stop talking about fascism but you can't even spell it correctly.

And the Capitol is spelled with an "O" not an "A". Just saying.

Lol.

And right on que, all of those same excuses are made, during the takeover to justify the actions.

I.e shift the blame, justify the actions, proceed with force.

25k soldiers ready to shoot other american citizens have occupied the capital. Take out the spin, and look at the actions alone. All of the boxes check.

Congratulations

[Ernst]

I was a Republican for almost 20 years before Trump was nominated. Now I'm registered as 'No Party Preference.'

I'm proud to say I didn't vote for his dumb, orange ass in the primaries or the general election. I even gave money to his GOP opponents. The man is a terrible leader. Stupid, divisive, impulsive, etc.

The most Presidential speech I heard out of anyone in the wake of the storming of the Capitol came from Arnold Schwarzenegger (a Republican I did support, btw).

[Hughinn]

I was a Republican for almost 20 years before Trump was nominated. Now I'm registered as 'No Party Preference.'

I'm proud to say I didn't vote for his dumb, orange ass in the primaries or the general election. I even gave money to his GOP opponents. The man is a terrible leader. Stupid, divisive, impulsive, etc.

The most Presidential speech I heard out of anyone in the wake of the storming of the Capitol came from Arnold Schwarzenegger (a Republican I did support, btw).

I actually didn't vote for him the first time myself.

But, if he did one thing I appreciate, he tore the mask off the democrat party, and showed the world who they really are

[Test Monsterone]

Yeah, he really exposed the democratic party... for mostly being the only ones who will stand up to fascism, tyranny, conspiracies, and lies. Now that Trump is on his way out, Republican politicians have the choice of whether to side with a scorned ex-president who failed our country and our democracy, or to turn a page and admit the failure that was Donald Trump.

He has a sub 30% approval rating and it will probably shrink even more by tomorrow. The lowest any outgoing president has ever had. His own allies are turning on him. Mitch McConnell condemned Trump for using lies to incite the mob that stormed the capitol. Now that Trump is viewed as a disease within the republican party, only the few spineless rats (like Cruz) that want to feed off of the carcass Trump is leaving behind are still publicly supporting him.

**Tells you what kind of man Cruz is when he and his wife were both disrespected by Trump, and suddenly he changes his tune when he realizes he can benefit from the cult masses that will still support him after Trump disappears (as long as he panders to them). Even though he, deep down, hates Trump.

[Ernst]

You really can't think of any instances over the last four years of Democratic politicians or the people who follow them acting in bad faith?

Let's be real with each other here.

[Hughinn]

Yeah, he really exposed the democratic party... for mostly being the only ones who will stand up to fascism, tyranny, conspiracies, and lies. Now that Trump is on his way out, Republican politicians have the choice of whether to side with a scorned ex-president who failed our country and our democracy, or to turn a page and admit the failure that was Donald Trump.

He has a sub 30% approval rating and it will probably shrink even more by tomorrow. The lowest any outgoing president has ever had. His own allies are turning on him. Mitch McConnell condemned Trump for using lies to incite the mob that stormed the capitol. Now that Trump is viewed as a disease within the republican party, only the few spineless rats (like Cruz) that want to feed off of the carcass Trump is leaving behind are still publicly supporting him.

**Tells you what kind of man Cruz is when he and his wife were both disrespected by Trump, and suddenly he changes his tune when he realizes he can benefit from the cult masses that will still support him after Trump disappears (as long as he panders to them). Even though he, deep down, hates Trump.

I dunno man. What was Bush jrs exit rating?

It was pretty bad.

Amd kamala really dissed on old Joe. Called him a racist and accused him of sexual assault, and still became his vp.

Still trying to figure that out.

[Test Monsterone]

You really can't think of any instances over the last four years of Democratic politicians or the people who follow them acting in bad faith?

Let's be real with each other here.

Way too many republicans were comfortable and supportive of the lie that lead to the storming of the Capitol. Nothing any democrat has said or done in the last 100 years compares to this.

I'm reasonable and accept that humanity is flawed and power corrupts, so I'm open to the possibility that people on either side of politics have acted in unfavorable ways. I'd like to hear about what democrats have done to corrupt democracy the way Trump has, though. But they have to be verifiable facts, not conspiracies and things that can't be proven (ie Hillary is a pedophile that drinks blood, masks are unconstitutional, etc).

[Hughinn]

Way too many republicans were comfortable and supportive of the lie that lead to the storming of the Capitol. Nothing any democrat has said or done in the last 100 years compares to this.

I'm reasonable and accept that humanity is flawed and power corrupts, so I'm open to the possibility that people on either side of politics have acted in unfavorable ways. I'd like to hear about what democrats have done to corrupt democracy the way Trump has, though. But they have to be verifiable facts, not conspiracies and things that can't be proven (ie Hillary is a pedophile that drinks blood, masks are unconstitutional, etc).

You see, thats what i ain't sure of.

I mean, an open, and public investigation of all the bizzare and numerous irregularities of this election would've gone a helluva long way toward shit like "unity" and "healing" .

But it never happened.

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask why counting stopped at similar times in all contested states, and started again with hundreds of thousands of votes swinging in the wee hours of the morning.

It's a legitimate question, that i think at least 70 million Americans are asking. So why not answer it, publicly and in the open?

Why just tell half the country to shut up and take it?

Smart leaders Don't operate like that. And honest leaders damn sure don't.

I'm not saying I know anything about what really happened, but I don't trust the people telling me to shut up and take it. And I'm not alone.

So if we're to bridge a divide, then certain explanations are necessary.

Why not give them, if its all legitimate? Why refuse and give half the nation the bird if you don't want a fight?

[Test Monsterone]

You see, thats what i ain't sure of.

I mean, an open, and public investigation of all the bizzare and numerous irregularities of this election would've gone a helluva long way toward shit like "unity" and "healing" .

But it never happened.

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask why counting stopped at similar times in all contested states, and started again with hundreds of thousands of votes swinging in the wee hours of the morning.

It's a legitimate question, that i think at least 70 million Americans are asking. So why not answer it, publicly and in the open?

Why just tell half the country to shut up and take it?

Smart leaders Don't operate like that. And honest leaders damn sure don't.

I'm not saying I know anything about what really happened, but I don't trust the people telling me to shut up and take it. And I'm not alone.

So if we're to bridge a divide, then certain explanations are necessary.

Why not give them, if its all legitimate? Why refuse and give them the bird?

Well, if you've been listening to only right-wing media, then that may be the problem. Maybe they didn't mention that each state operates its elections according to their own laws. Some states can start counting before the election, some only after the election closed. Less densely populated areas had more people vote in-person than metropolitan areas. Donald Trump also convinced some of his supporters that mail-in-votes are fraudulent and that people should be weary of them, so his supporters were less likely to vote by mail. In-person votes were counted in real-time, while votes by mail had to be counted after elections stopped in most states... which is why results came in batches. Then we have COVID. I don't have to tell you that the crowded cities that had fewer election buildings had more people vote by mail, and that cities tend to lean more democratic. These are all real reasons. Over 50 courts rejected all of Trump and Co's election fraud claims due to a lack of evidence. I trust our court system over Donald Trump.

[< <Samson> >]

Can I hold the ban hammer?


I can think of two strikes solid for it rn

[kelkel]

Isn't it ironic that you can't stop talking about fascism but you can't even spell it correctly.

And the Capitol is spelled with an "O" not an "A". Just saying.

To chime in a little, yes the capital is now surrounded by armed men protecting the people who don't want the average joe to be armed. But damn, they want themselves protected.

Nope, Biden's not in power yet but the liberal media (over 90% of it is liberal) basically work for him. Not to mention big tech. Not reporting on anything that may be damaging to him and basically doing the DNC's bidding. My god, they all use the exact same verbiage virtually daily.

Well, Trump gave a farewell address and many of the larger networks chose not to cover it.

I don't think he destroyed the Republican Party. Even though he lost the election he changed the party, probably forever. And 70+ million people agree with him.

Totally disagree with politically screening the soldiers. It's a slippery slope that ends where? Only Biden voting soldiers can protect him? Govt overreach.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Love you DD, but of all the police forces that have gained attention...the grammar police is the worst.
Your better than that (see what I did there? )

KK, thank for articulating what I’ve been thinking. Apparently all 70 million must be crazy or fanatics...

[kelkel]

Love you DD, but if all the police forces that have gained attention...the grammar police is the worst.

KK, thank for articulating what I’ve been thinking. Apparently all 70 million must be crazy or fanatics...

DD is just a passionate guy. Well, I mean toward the topic at hand not you or I. At least I hope not cause that would be a little weird.....

SD and todays media talking point was deprogramming supporters. Holy sh*t!

[SampsonandDelilah]

Yes DD is...

Even if he was, at my age I’d still be flattered


Moving on....

Some interesting data surrounding the popular vote (if you choose to believe it - forgive the cut and paste, it’s not intended to back up a side, just shed some light)

The Popular Vote

Biden won 81,283,098 votes, or 51.3 percent of the votes cast. He is the first U.S. presidential candidate to have won more than 80 million votes. Trump won 74,222,958 votes, or 46.8 percent of the votes cast. That’s more votes than any other presidential candidate has ever won, with the exception of Biden. (Third-party candidates picked up 1.8 percent of the votes cast.)

More than 159 million Americans voted in 2020: 159,633,396 to be exact. That’s the largest total voter turnout in U.S. history and the first time more than 140 million people voted. Voter turnout in 2020 was the highest in 120 years when measured as a percentage of the voting-eligible population: 66.7 percent. You have to go back all the way to 1900 to find a higher percentage turnout (73.7 percent). The election of 1876 holds the record for highest turnout: 82.6 percent. That, of course, was also one of America’s most controversial and consequential elections—and not in a good way.

[kelkel]

Yes DD is...

Even if he was, at my age I’d still be flattered

.

At your age! Are you saying I'm too old for DD to like me? The nerve.....

[SampsonandDelilah]

Hah!! Sorry, I just couldn’t stand to share what I perceive as any attention!

[wango]

At your age! Are you saying I'm too old for DD to like me? The nerve.....

Are you two shaving yet, lol?

[SampsonandDelilah]

Are you two shaving yet, lol?

Just my back mostly

[wango]

Just my back mostly

I taped my trimmer to a ruler and just barely got to my mid back, cause I don’t have the greatest shoulder mobility. But, my friggin eyebrows & ears are out of control. Thankfully, those I can manage. My nose hairs? Well, they add to my goatee.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Check out the “back blade”

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Check out the “back blade”

It's spelled "bakblade".

[lovbyts]

You guys shave your own back? lol I have a 22yr old 4' 10" 90 lb wife who does that as well as scrubs down my back, legs and mid section almost every day.

[tarmyg]

To chime in a little, yes the capital is now surrounded by armed men protecting the people who don't want the average joe to be armed. But damn, they want themselves protected.

Nope, Biden's not in power yet but the liberal media (over 90% of it is liberal) basically work for him. Not to mention big tech. Not reporting on anything that may be damaging to him and basically doing the DNC's bidding. My god, they all use the exact same verbiage virtually daily.

Well, Trump gave a farewell address and many of the larger networks chose not to cover it.

I don't think he destroyed the Republican Party. Even though he lost the election he changed the party, probably forever. And 70+ million people agree with him.

Totally disagree with politically screening the soldiers. It's a slippery slope that ends where? Only Biden voting soldiers can protect him? Govt overreach.

I think this needs to be wrapped in the frame of a person who (an opinion thus far) incited violence towards other lawmakers. And politically screening soldiers is, I agree, a slippery slope. Reading about these guys makes me feel somewhat different though as they were pretty radicalized right-wingers and I think that stretches beyond simple political beliefs.

A question also, what do you mean by "And 70+ million people agree with him."?

[tarmyg]

You guys shave your own back? lol I have a 22yr old 4' 10" 90 lb wife who does that as well as scrubs down my back, legs and mid section almost every day.

haha, 22 :-) I could never get away with that even to myself I think.

[lovbyts]

haha, 22 :-) I could never get away with that even to myself I think.

That's what I love about these High School chicks man, I get older, they stay the same age.

[kelkel]

I think this needs to be wrapped in the frame of a person who (an opinion thus far) incited violence towards other lawmakers. And politically screening soldiers is, I agree, a slippery slope. Reading about these guys makes me feel somewhat different though as they were pretty radicalized right-wingers and I think that stretches beyond simple political beliefs.

A question also, what do you mean by "And 70+ million people agree with him."?

Simply that they voted for him.

[Hughinn]

I think this needs to be wrapped in the frame of a person who (an opinion thus far) incited violence towards other lawmakers. And politically screening soldiers is, I agree, a slippery slope. Reading about these guys makes me feel somewhat different though as they were pretty radicalized right-wingers and I think that stretches beyond simple political beliefs.

A question also, what do you mean by "And 70+ million people agree with him."?

Except, there were politicians on both sides of the isle promoting and enciting violence and hostility. And there still are.

However, it seems acceptable for one side, just not the other.

It's like punching someone, then crying foul when you get punched back.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...-opponents.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...peech-protest/

[Cuz]

I dunno man. What was Bush jrs exit rating?

It was pretty bad.

Amd kamala really dissed on old Joe. Called him a racist and accused him of sexual assault, and still became his vp.

Still trying to figure that out.

https://youtu.be/T_FuG13z0bQ

And now they have miraculously put all that behind them, heres to a bright future lol ah man politicians....

[Test Monsterone]

Except, there were politicians on both sides of the isle promoting and enciting violence and hostility. And there still are.

However, it seems acceptable for one side, just not the other.

It's like punching someone, then crying foul when you get punched back.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...-opponents.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...peech-protest/

Before you post more lies by Fox News contributors, at least post the direct quote, not a cherry-picked and smeared statement meant to mislead. Kamala NEVER encouraged anyone to riot or cause violence. She said that people will not stop protesting and they should not stop.


I would hope that any thinking man can differentiate between protests at a city-level vs. an attack on our state Capitol aimed at, at the very least, changing the outcome of a fairly run election against the will of the majority of Americans based on a false pretense that the vice president can change the outcome of the election (he can't).


What is the motive?

With the protests and riots form BLM, the protests were motivated by police brutality.

With the protests and riots and attacks on the Capitol, the motivation was a LIE told by Donald J. Trump that there was widespread election fraud (there wasn't - fact), inciting his mob, close to the Capitol, to "fight like hell."


What is the implication?

On one side you have riots and protests against police brutality.

On one side you have riots and protests with threat to harm members of Congress and disrupt a democratic process and the rule of law.


Are these the same? To they hold the same gravity? Are they motivated by truth or lies? Are they for a just cause or for a false cause? That would be a starting point.

I'm tired of posting this. I don't understand what you don't understand. I really don't. This is simple stuff. It doesn't take a genius to see the difference and understand the implications.

[Hughinn]

Before you post more lies by Fox News contributors, at least post the direct quote, not a cherry-picked and smeared statement meant to mislead. Kamala NEVER encouraged anyone to riot or cause violence. She said that people will not stop protesting and they should not stop.


I would hope that any thinking man can differentiate between protests at a city-level vs. an attack on our state Capitol aimed at, at the very least, changing the outcome of a fairly run election against the will of the majority of Americans based on a false pretense that the vice president can change the outcome of the election (he can't).


What is the motive?

With the protests and riots form BLM, the protests were motivated by police brutality.

With the protests and riots and attacks on the Capitol, the motivation was a LIE told by Donald J. Trump that there was widespread election fraud (there wasn't - fact), inciting his mob, close to the Capitol, to "fight like hell."


What is the implication?

On one side you have riots and protests against police brutality.

On one side you have riots and protests with threat to harm members of Congress and disrupt a democratic process and the rule of law.


Are these the same? To they hold the same gravity? Are they motivated by truth or lies? Are they for a just cause or for a false cause? That would be a starting point.

I'm tired of posting this. I don't understand what you don't understand. I really don't. This is simple stuff. It doesn't take a genius to see the difference and understand the implications.

Are you suggesting the BLM violence and riots are then acceptable, because you believe the motivation for those actions are just?

I ask because "fight like hell" could mean alot of things. Especially when alot of the BLM protesters said they were "fighting for racial justice" a phrase many democrat leaders have used.

If you accept them using the word figuratively, and I assume you do, then why can't you believe Donald Trump said it figuratively as well?

It seems to me like your taking the position that the ends justify the means.

Or not?

Because I don't see the difference between one side enciting violence and the other when nearly identical rhetoric was used.

I mean, I get that you don't like Tucker Carlson, but does that make it acceptable to attack his home screaming threats because you don't like his political views. ?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Before you post more lies by Fox News contributors, at least post the direct quote, not a cherry-picked and smeared statement meant to mislead. Kamala NEVER encouraged anyone to riot or cause violence. She said that people will not stop protesting and they should not stop.

For the full unedited version please see below:



#thetruthshallsetyoufree

[Hughinn]

For the full unedited version please see below:



#thetruthshallsetyoufree

18:46.
Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard"

What's the difference?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QKDAp-4Hhs8

[Test Monsterone]

Are you suggesting the BLM violence and riots are then acceptable, because you believe the motivation for those actions are just?

I ask because "fight like hell" could mean alot of things. Especially when alot of the BLM protesters said they were "fighting for racial justice" a phrase many democrat leaders have used.

If you accept them using the word figuratively, and I assume you do, then why can't you believe Donald Trump said it figuratively as well?

It seems to me like your taking the position that the ends justify the means.

Or not?

Because I don't see the difference between one side enciting violence and the other when nearly identical rhetoric was used.

I mean, I get that you don't like Tucker Carlson, but does that make it acceptable to attack his home screaming threats because you don't like his political views. ?

Even if the BLM movement was based on a lie, like Trump's movement, it still would not remotely equate to a president inciting a mob to attack the Capitol over a fairly run election.

Last I checked, BLM didn't break into the Capitol, call to hang and kill members of congress, and bring zip ties with them.

Tell me where Kamala Harris said anything like "Fight like hell." Direct quotes please. This is just a tip of the iceberg that was the entire scheme to overthrow the election before it even began. Look at the big picture ( I know you won't).

[The Deadlifting Dog]

18:46.
Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard"

What's the difference?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QKDAp-4Hhs8

So he at 18:46 he talks in his nice voice but almost a full hour later (1:12:30) he says "But I said something is wrong here, something is really wrong, can’t have happened, and we fight. We fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore."

Fight like hell huh? I guess Satan is gentle and kind in your mind.

But the more important fact that goes beyond your comprehension is:
Trump has played y'all like puppets for many, many months.

For months before the election he declared that there was fraud.
And you listened to him and only him.
He lied to you so damn much that by election morning y'all believed the election was stolen before the votes were even counted.
And he continued to lie.
And you listened.
And he lied some more.
He lost in the courts. (He was 1-62 last I heard.)
There were recounts.
There were signature verifications.
There were audits.
The AG, DHS, FBI, CIA, etc. all said is was a fair election BUT...

Since you only listen to Trump and his lies...
You are still convinced it is fraudulent...
and since it is fraudulent the Patriotic thing is to do something about it.

So for months and months and months Trump worked y'all up like crazed fanatics and when the time was ripe he cried "Fight like hell."
And you did.


#inTrumpwetrust


Be honest with yourself...
Did you think there would be fraud in the election?
If you did, why did you think there would be fraud in the election?

[almostgone]

The thing that bothered me was some states setting aside of valid signature requirements for absentee ballots. It's always been a requirement that the sig on the outer envelope where you attest that the signature is actually you. I saw no reason to do away with that in any election.

As far as fraud, both parties have made those claims in 2016 and 2020.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

The thing that bothered me was some states setting aside of valid signature requirements for absentee ballots. It's always been a requirement that the sig on the outer envelope where you attest that the signature is actually you. I saw no reason to do away with that in any election.

As far as fraud, both parties have made those claims in 2016 and 2020.

There needs to be checks and balances to make sure there isn't fraud. Agreed.
A reason against signature verification is: someone's signature changes over time.
(I had to resign all my first mortgage paperwork because the mortgage signature differed from my license signature. I had signed my license probably 10yrs previously.)
(In 10 years we will all be voting on our phones with facial recognition software anyway.)

Claiming fraud is one thing.
(And there is small fraud in any election I am sure.)

The difference is:
Trump claimed millions and millions of votes were stolen.
Trump takes everything to extremes.
Fuck, he didn't just win this election... he claimed he won it in a landslide.
Fuck he even keeps saying he got 75 million votes.
I guess he was taught that 74.2 rounds up to 75.

I am all for cutting down on illegal voting.
But I am also all for getting as many people to vote as possible.

[Test Monsterone]

The thing that bothered me was some states setting aside of valid signature requirements for absentee ballots. It's always been a requirement that the sig on the outer envelope where you attest that the signature is actually you. I saw no reason to do away with that in any election.

As far as fraud, both parties have made those claims in 2016 and 2020.

Are you suggesting that any fraud related to the absentee ballot signatures happened only on the Democratic side? Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't both sides have equal opportunities to cheat or not cheat under the same rules?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Here is Trump planting the seed more than 2 months before the election...