So now males can compete in female sports?

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Before I begin, I need to be clear about the terminology I'm about to use.

When talking about how a person sees themselves, what a person considers to be their identity, how a person interacts with other people and expresses themselves socially and artistically, I'll use the word 'gender'. Some people believe that there are 31 different genders identities (and I think this is recognised in law in New York).

When talking about a person's body, in particular their genitals, their skeletal structure, their muscles, their voice, their body hair, I'll use the word 'gexder'. (Yes this is a new word that I made up myself because I find the word 'sex' to be too ambiguous).

When I say 'male', I'm talking in terms of gexder. (penis, sperm, narrow hips, 5'8", hairy skin, big muscles).
When I say 'female', I'm talking in terms of gexder. (vagina, eggs, wide hips, 5'4", smooth skin, small muscles, can become pregnant and give birth to a baby).
When I say 'intersex', I'm talking in terms of gexder (for example a vagina with testicles instead of ovaries, or a penis with ovaries)

And so here is the stance I'm taking:
* When it comes to sport, gender doesn't matter (or at least it should not matter if we treat each other fairly and equally).
* When it comes to sport, gexder does matter because males are taller, faster and stronger. Females would quickly lose interest in competing if they were always pitted against taller stronger faster males.

For the past while I've been seeing snippets on YouTube about transgender people in sport. I think this is a good thing -- I think anyone should feel free to participate in sport and to feel accepted. However I didn't realise that they were letting males compete in female-only events. In some sports, a male only has to prove that their testosterone blood level has been consistently below 10 nanomoles per litre for the past 365 days. Let's forget about their height and bone structure. They're also allowed to have a penis (i.e. no need for gender reaffirmation surgery).

I'm all for equality and equal opportunities for everyone, and I think we should accept people for who they are rather than present them with a list of demands of how they should fulfil our expectations, however I don't think that this means that a 38-year-old man can run in a race for 7 - 9 year olds. I don't think that a person who has the use of their legs can swim in a competition for paraplegics.

If I was going to suggest any kind of change to the Male and Female distinction in sports, then I'd say have two categories as follows:
(1) Gexder restricted to females
(2) Gexder unrestricted

So if a female transitions to male then let them compete in the unrestricted gexder category (because no male is going to complain about a transfemale having an unfair advantage).
But don't allow a male who transitions to female to compete in the female-only competition -- that's just not fair and it will result in people losing interest in spectating on and competing in female-only sporting events.

[Mr. Small]

I don't think an athlete with a man body should be allowed to complete in the women's competition

[Fluidic Kimbo]

You in Munster... Ulster... Leinster... Connaught? Not many of us here.

[Mr. Small]

You in Munster... Ulster... Leinster... Connaught? Not many of us here.

Leinster dude..... North east

[DustMan]

Luckily people are catching on and this isn't a common problem. The times when it does happen are fucked and a complete lack of judgement by all involved. Clearly transmen should not be competing against normal women, they are on a TRT protocol... Clearly transwomen shouldn't be competing against women, they have 20+ years of testosterone fuel'd bone development and as much circulating testosterone as their drug protocol is designed for, which is essentially enhancement.

Does make me mad when I read about it though. Fallon Fox for example is a fucking degenerate, she hid that she was born a man and absolutely dominated women in MMA.

[Honkey_Kong]

I honestly don't care about women's sports. If the women playing in those leagues were good enough, they'd be in the mens divisions competing. So it's really about men who couldn't compete against other men and be competitive, going to women's leagues and dominating.

Just get rid of the women's divisions.

[DustMan]

I honestly don't care about women's sports. If the women playing in those leagues were good enough, they'd be in the mens divisions competing. So it's really about men who couldn't compete against other men and be competitive, going to women's leagues and dominating.

Just get rid of the women's divisions.

You know some women play the sport because they enjoy it, not just for our entertainment right?

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Does make me mad when I read about it though. Fallon Fox for example is a fucking degenerate, she hid that she was born a man and absolutely dominated women in MMA.

I just read up on this individual now. If you told me that one of the boys I went to High school with was now beating up women in a women-only sport I'd probably tell you that he needs his house burned down. Or perhaps acid on his face.

[Honkey_Kong]

You know some women play the sport because they enjoy it, not just for our entertainment right?

Yes, I'm aware that women who really aren't good enough, enjoying competing and winning. So they setup this inferior league to stoke their own egos. It is basically the same thing those men that are posing as women are doing by entering those leagues.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Yes, I'm aware that women who really aren't good enough, enjoying competing and winning. So they setup this inferior league to stoke their own egos. It is basically the same thing those men that are posing as women are doing by entering those leagues.

Do you think there should be two different leagues for dog fights? One league for dogs that were neutered in their first 6 months, and another league for every other dog?

[Cuz]

Do you think there should be two different leagues for dog fights? One league for dogs that were neutered in their first 6 months, and another league for every other dog?

What about Apes, wouldn’t that be a more comparable species to us humans. You libs seem to think we came from apes anyway, right? We just suddenly started walking up right and grew less and less hair each century, right? The Samaritans were the first to develop a written language , how far along i wonder were they from the modern day chimp? You’re comparing neutered dogs (Which is under complete human control) to men that have chosen to be female, via scientific methods developed.

[Honkey_Kong]

Do you think there should be two different leagues for dog fights? One league for dogs that were neutered in their first 6 months, and another league for every other dog?

Michael Vick, is that you? LOL

But I see where you're going. Sure we should have divisions. How about based on ability rather than equipment downstairs?

[Fluidic Kimbo]

If animals can commit suicide (and cause other animals to kill themselves), then it isn't too outlandish that a dog would deliberately neuter itself.

Certain types of parasites will cause their hosts to engage in suicidal behaviour, through altering how the intermediate host acts, but this is not considered suicide (at least not considered suicide in a psychological or ethological sense). The change in the host's actions often benefit the parasite's search for a final host. A main example is the parasite 'phylum acanthocephala', which will direct its host to a predator so as to be eaten by the predator, their new definitive host. The parasitic worm 'spinochordodes tellinii' will develop in grasshoppers and crickets until it is grown, at which time it will cause its host to leap into water to its death so that the worm can reproduce in water. However, 'spinochordodes tellinii' only causes its host to drown when the host is already close to water as opposed to seeking it out over large distances.

[GirlyGymRat]

Yes, I'm aware that women who really aren't good enough, enjoying competing and winning. So they setup this inferior league to stoke their own egos. It is basically the same thing those men that are posing as women are doing by entering those leagues.

Why not have trans female compete against a trans females? Why not compete in their own league??

More importantly......Where is the OUTRAGE from feminist??? Where is NCLA on protecting non transgender females? Where is the OUTRAGE!!!!!

So female trains to compete against a genetically born male, statistically stronger and no OUTRAGE!!! [emoji2358]

[DustMan]

Why not have trans female compete against a trans females? Why not compete in their own league??

More importantly......Where is the OUTRAGE from feminist??? Where is NCLA on protecting non transgender females? Where is the OUTRAGE!!!!!

So female trains to compete against a genetically born male, statistically stronger and no OUTRAGE!!! [emoji2358]

There is outrage, but there is also confusion and misconception. There is a lot of overlap between feminists and LGBTQ folks, they both believe in human rights, equal rights, etc. The problem is that the majority of people don't understand sexual dimorphism or the effect of sex hormones on the human body, and all these armchair experts on twitter/facebook, or worse... writing news articles about it, they think "The transphobes are at it again!" when really they should just shut the fuck up and keep their opinions to themselves.

People love to flap their gums about whatever bullshit opinion they have even though they have no idea what they are talking about. It doesn't help the trans communities case to let men go around beating up women or smashing female world records by massive margins, if they knew what was good for them they would be up in arms about it too.

[Cuz]

If animals can commit suicide (and cause other animals to kill themselves), then it isn't too outlandish that a dog would deliberately neuter itself.

Certain types of parasites will cause their hosts to engage in suicidal behaviour, through altering how the intermediate host acts, but this is not considered suicide (at least not considered suicide in a psychological or ethological sense). The change in the host's actions often benefit the parasite's search for a final host. A main example is the parasite 'phylum acanthocephala', which will direct its host to a predator so as to be eaten by the predator, their new definitive host. The parasitic worm 'spinochordodes tellinii' will develop in grasshoppers and crickets until it is grown, at which time it will cause its host to leap into water to its death so that the worm can reproduce in water. However, 'spinochordodes tellinii' only causes its host to drown when the host is already close to water as opposed to seeking it out over large distances.

Even the sun shines on a dogs ass every now and then....

[Honkey_Kong]

Why not have trans female compete against a trans females? Why not compete in their own league??

More importantly......Where is the OUTRAGE from feminist??? Where is NCLA on protecting non transgender females? Where is the OUTRAGE!!!!!

So female trains to compete against a genetically born male, statistically stronger and no OUTRAGE!!! [emoji2358]

The problem comes with the general pushed communist narrative that "everybody is equal." Which if you go further with can mean "no difference between male or female." Which is how they can put mutilated males and females in competition with others (I'm not agreeing with that narrative).

Now the easiest way to bypass this narrative is to segregate divisions based on ability level rather than sex. Look at pro-baseball. MLB players are better than AAA which are better than AA and so on. And if they're not, you move the players up and down in divisions until they're with their ability level. If you integrate women in to that. You'll still have basically have the same segregation except you're now not humoring their gender dysmorphic delusions.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Look at pro-baseball. MLB players are better than AAA which are better than AA and so on. And if they're not, you move the players up and down in divisions until they're with their ability level. If you integrate women in to that. You'll still have basically have the same segregation except you're now not humoring their gender dysmorphic delusions.

Yeah but what if the batter is a male, and the pitcher is a female, and the two of them fall in love at first sight. Then you would have male pitchers deliberately throwing foul balls as a chivalrous advance toward their future wife. I suppose though we could make a reality TV show out of these opportune courtships.

[Fiskevatten]

I'm not the best person to word myself in political matters, but of the hundreds of clips I've seen and documents I've read (if we narrow it down to this subject), I would say Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson has
the best arguments overall.
Ben Shapiro going by evidence that these acceptance policys are not doing anyone any favours, the least the transgender community (he even goes as far as calling it a mental illness in some instances - which I agree on).
Jordan Peterson talking about equality of outcome vs equality of opportunity.

I've lived in the two most accepting countries (to date) in the world regarding gender, sexual orientation, identities and so forth.
One is based on political debates, science, spreading of information, governmental structures and all you can think of to enforce love, understanding and equality - Results = total shitshow.
One has based it on "do what the f*ck you want with your life and don't rub it in someones face" - Results = Success!

I agree with GGR "Why not have trans female compete against a trans females? Why not compete in their own league??"
Excellent suggestion!
I even think that would be more popular.

Reason why feminist are not screaming is because they have nothing to gain there.
The new era feminists are dangerous and should be erradicated, together with the left.

[DustMan]

I'm not the best person to word myself in political matters, but of the hundreds of clips I've seen and documents I've read (if we narrow it down to this subject), I would say Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson has
the best arguments overall.
Ben Shapiro going by evidence that these acceptance policys are not doing anyone any favours, the least the transgender community (he even goes as far as calling it a mental illness in some instances - which I agree on).
Jordan Peterson talking about equality of outcome vs equality of opportunity.

I've lived in the two most accepting countries (to date) in the world regarding gender, sexual orientation, identities and so forth.
One is based on political debates, science, spreading of information, governmental structures and all you can think of to enforce love, understanding and equality - Results = total shitshow.
One has based it on "do what the f*ck you want with your life and don't rub it in someones face" - Results = Success!

I agree with GGR "Why not have trans female compete against a trans females? Why not compete in their own league??"
Excellent suggestion!
I even think that would be more popular.

Reason why feminist are not screaming is because they have nothing to gain there.
The new era feminists are dangerous and should be erradicated, together with the left.

You suck on Jordan Peterson's and Ben Shapiro's cocks and you think feminists and the left should be eradicated, you're just the spitting image of intellectualism.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

I would say Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson has
the best arguments overall.

I think if Peterson delivered his message with more humility then more people -- such as myself -- would be willing to listen to him. He has no humility, and I find that very unattractive. I can only listen to him for so long before turning it off.

[Fiskevatten]

You suck on Jordan Peterson's and Ben Shapiro's cocks and you think feminists and the left should be eradicated, you're just the spitting image of intellectualism.

Judging by that brilliant comeback, the intellectual part is not your strong suit.

And yes, in a way I agree with you, like the famous saying "Facts don't care about feelings".
Does that mean I don't want my feelings heard or feel injustice? Of course I do, only an idiot wouldn't place his or her feelings, or the feelings of loved one's first.
That doesn't make it right, correct, valid, beneficial.
In many instances when you work with a mass of people, you gotta go with the "lesser evil".

The subject we are discussing now, means that the majority needs to bow down to the minority (if you can even call it a minority).
Not only that, the minority has an overall negative resume and no proof to back up their claims except "I feel".
We as a majority, need to then go by blind faith and change our ways, terms and rules for the few - why?
Look at the legislation in Canada, this is not a game that stops at one point, it grows - and not for the benefit of the people.

Additionally, I stated "New era feminist", those are very different from the old ones.

[Fiskevatten]

I think if Peterson delivered his message with more humility then more people -- such as myself -- would be willing to listen to him. He has no humility, and I find that very unattractive. I can only listen to him for so long before turning it off.

I understand what you mean here and I agree in a sense.
Me personally feel it refreshing having someone more or less void of feelings and talking plain human behaviour.
Then I can use what I believe is correct and incorrect, add my own thoughts and feelings and hopefully contribute with good ideas for those around me.

I see such extreme difference in social structure and mental health now compared to 10 years ago, and it's not a good sight.
I believe in us and I love that people feel, what world would it be without love as a focus point for all things... but we need to remember (even if hard to admit), we are sheep
and sometimes our herder need to just say "stop".

[Honkey_Kong]

Yeah but what if the batter is a male, and the pitcher is a female, and the two of them fall in love at first sight. Then you would have male pitchers deliberately throwing foul balls as a chivalrous advance toward their future wife. I suppose though we could make a reality TV show out of these opportune courtships.

In today's world, that could happen in a same-sex league too.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

In today's world, that could happen in a same-sex league too.

I thought gay men beat each other up? Wouldn't they throw the ball aiming for the head?

[Fluidic Kimbo]

I understand what you mean here and I agree in a sense.
Me personally feel it refreshing having someone more or less void of feelings and talking plain human behaviour.
Then I can use what I believe is correct and incorrect, add my own thoughts and feelings and hopefully contribute with good ideas for those around me.

I see such extreme difference in social structure and mental health now compared to 10 years ago, and it's not a good sight.
I believe in us and I love that people feel, what world would it be without love as a focus point for all things... but we need to remember (even if hard to admit), we are sheep
and sometimes our herder need to just say "stop".

Here is one of the lessons from the Christian Bible that people who have no humility -- such as Peterson
-- will never understand:

Jesus said that if you show up at your friend's banquet, then you should always sit in the lowest seat, because then your friend will quickly come and move you. If you initially sit in the highest seat, you might be asked to move down one.

Peterson will always show up at your backgarden BBQ and bring his own solid mahogany throne and locate it equidistant between the BBQ and the jacuzzi. He is arrogant, boastful, prideful -- the quintessential anti-Christ.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a 'hyperintellectual' as he calls himself, nor is there anything wrong with being supremely intelligent or knowledgeable. But if you have no humility then these traits greatly amplify how repulsive you appear to others.

If I had a child and if I caught them reading Peterson's book then I would chain them to a tree out the back garden and leave the cold water hose on them for 3 hours. Can't let that bullshit seep into their cranium.