Mental health awareness won’t stop shootings

[wango]

These are all reasons why I conceal carry and train often with my weapon and my wife does the same. Police response to a home invasion is over 5 minutes, how many people can be killed in 5 minutes? The police have been gutted to nothing more than a damage control force in most cities, not a protection force. A person is responsible for their own and their family's safety.

I recommend living someplace better perhaps?

Cops did here. An amazing job in our neighborhood (and my backyard, lol) a couple of months back. No worries, no second thoughts or regrets of not having a gun in the house.

[wango]

No idea. I don’t even like concerts tbh, but my cousin is saying it’s amazing, etc, and my girl likes this kind of stuff. It’s mostly electronic music, I think.

I wouldn’t mind doing the Wakken Open Air Music Festival (all metal) one time, but same thing though, concerts no longer doing for me. Last show (perhaps THE last), almost fell asleep suffering through 5 opening acts. When the band I wanted to see finally came on, I was practically comatose from boredom.

[Ol_Wolf]

I live someplace better. Neighbors I can't see or hear! Listen to the crickets, bullfrogs, occasional owl, and even on some nights a coyote.

I feel more secure knowing I can protect myself without the help of police. Then again I am a do it yourselfer, so I don't like to depend on anyone. Only way anyone is taking my weapons away is after I get through the 1000's of rounds of ammo I have or they pry it from my cold dead grip! This is America and the second Amendment is all that stands between politicians and your first amendment rights. Their is a reason the government is not allowed to call on the active duty military for use in citizen affairs. They have to ask states to use those states National guards for any kind of civil protection or otherwise.

[Cuz]

I live someplace better. Neighbors I can't see or hear! Listen to the crickets, bullfrogs, occasional owl, and even on some nights a coyote.

I feel more secure knowing I can protect myself without the help of police. Then again I am a do it yourselfer, so I don't like to depend on anyone. Only way anyone is taking my weapons away is after I get through the 1000's of rounds of ammo I have or they pry it from my cold dead grip! This is America and the second Amendment is all that stands between politicians and your first amendment rights. Their is a reason the government is not allowed to call on the active duty military for use in citizen affairs. They have to ask states to use those states National guards for any kind of civil protection or otherwise.

Exactly. The only way they are taking them is from my cold dead hands

[Test Monsterone]

I live someplace better. Neighbors I can't see or hear! Listen to the crickets, bullfrogs, occasional owl, and even on some nights a coyote.

I feel more secure knowing I can protect myself without the help of police. Then again I am a do it yourselfer, so I don't like to depend on anyone. Only way anyone is taking my weapons away is after I get through the 1000's of rounds of ammo I have or they pry it from my cold dead grip! This is America and the second Amendment is all that stands between politicians and your first amendment rights. Their is a reason the government is not allowed to call on the active duty military for use in citizen affairs. They have to ask states to use those states National guards for any kind of civil protection or otherwise.

Yeah this is America… not the America we moved to in 1996. As long as you live with the illusion that your guns will protect you from the government, we’ll keep having these mass shootings. I hope it doesn’t happen to any of you or your loved ones. You know, not everyone wants to live like a hermit in the middle of nowhere, away from society. People want to be able to walk the streets, go to school, movie theater, concert, or a parade without the thought of possibly getting mowed dun by rifle fire. The truth is, nothing will work unless we ban these types of weapons or make them very difficult to obtain. If you’re not cool with that, ok. Just be prepared for more and more of this type of stuff to happen. I guarantee that the laws will change eventually. It just has to hit closer to home for some of our gun lobbying politicians. I hope you feel some responsibility when a child is murdered by one of these weapons because of lax gun laws. Just say “it is what it is, I like my guns and I’m willing to accept the murder of other Americans.”

[songdog]

Well I can think of one way too please some people.Make the AR-15 only hold 3 or 5 rds.Make it so it don't use a mag.

[wango]

Exactly. The only way they are taking them is from my cold dead hands

Seems to be a lot more cold dead hands these days. A shame when they belong to the innocents, particularly children.

[wango]

I live someplace better. Neighbors I can't see or hear! Listen to the crickets, bullfrogs, occasional owl, and even on some nights a coyote.

I feel more secure knowing I can protect myself without the help of police. Then again I am a do it yourselfer, so I don't like to depend on anyone. Only way anyone is taking my weapons away is after I get through the 1000's of rounds of ammo I have or they pry it from my cold dead grip! This is America and the second Amendment is all that stands between politicians and your first amendment rights. Their is a reason the government is not allowed to call on the active duty military for use in citizen affairs. They have to ask states to use those states National guards for any kind of civil protection or otherwise.

Not being critical of where you live, just commenting on your statement about police response.

I too can sit and hear all of the same things (no frogs though). In the evenings the raccoons and skunks visit & look through our back patio window. The coyotes regularly walk our streets. Neighbors are all around, yet we don’t hear or bother each other (but will damn well be there if one of us needs something). Plus, I live in a place that I can get anything at a moment’s notice. I’m retired and have bad shoulders. don’t feel like chopping my own firewood or building my own BBQ pit.

Police, paramedics & fire department are fast & reliable. MS 13 gang bangers hang out & tag in the park 3 minutes away (only a couple gang related murders there, lol). Yet, I dig where I am at too & sleep like a baby knowing as a citizen, I’m just fine without a weapon.

It’s a great country, isn’t it? Except of course if you happen to take in a July 4th parade @ the wrong place & time.

[Cuz]

Seems to be a lot more cold dead hands these days. A shame when they belong to the innocents, particularly children.

Yeah, it is I agree criminals need publicly executed on sight immediately after detained. Let me guess, youre pro abortion too eh? Speaking of children, 61 million aborted babies since Roe. But yeah, just ban all guns everyone will live happily ever after then

[wango]

Yeah, it is I agree criminals need publicly executed on sight immediately after detained. Let me guess, youre pro abortion too eh? Speaking of children, 61 million aborted babies since Roe. But yeah, just ban all guns everyone will live happily ever after then

Nope, I have been anti abortion for a touch over 21 years. Have I stated that I want your or anyone else’s guns or to ban all guns? No, I have not.

[Test Monsterone]

The time it is most beneficial to own a gun is for a home invasion situation in which a shotgun/hand gun is more useful than a rifle.

Let’s look at the big picture here. We want to protect our freedoms so we demand ownership of rapid fire, large magazine rifles. Fear in the country due to the possibility of mass shootings increases. This fear leads to our local and federal governments increasing security everywhere with screenings, armed personnel everywhere, and tight security. We also then begin voting for strong-arm leaders who vow to protect us… while imposing stricter rules and reducing our personal freedoms. We then become a police state where most of our civil liberties are taken away for the token rifle, and then it becomes much easier to take that away when society has been fully militarized and controlled.

It takes perspective and education to see reality for what it is. If you only listen and pay attention to things that confirm your existing beliefs, you will remain uninformed and make poor decisions. Go to any Western European country and tell me they have any less freedoms than we do here. Having travelled abroad and lived in Europe I can tell you there is equal or more personal freedom. There is almost 0 gun violence and less violence overall, except in small pockets (like the Arab ghettos in France). Nations learn from each other. The same way we can learn from Portugal and Switzerland that decriminalizing drugs and creating job placement programs where instead of jailing and wasting money on drug addicts, they were placed in recovery centers that worked with employers to get them rehabilitated. The drug problem basically disappeared. They have learned the rules of democracy from us, but in recent years, it seems to me that people have gotten tired of democratic norms, free election, honesty and integrity of the executive branch, and have devolved into pointless arguments over LGBT issues, trans in sports, etc. a large part of this country claims freedom but wants this country to look more like Saudi Arabia. Religion in government, anti-gay/anti-abortion, patriarchal society, etc. There has to be a middle ground somewhere, and it’s not at either extreme of the political spectrum.

[Ol_Wolf]

Yeah this is America… not the America we moved to in 1996. As long as you live with the illusion that your guns will protect you from the government, we’ll keep having these mass shootings. I hope it doesn’t happen to any of you or your loved ones. You know, not everyone wants to live like a hermit in the middle of nowhere, away from society. People want to be able to walk the streets, go to school, movie theater, concert, or a parade without the thought of possibly getting mowed dun by rifle fire. The truth is, nothing will work unless we ban these types of weapons or make them very difficult to obtain. If you’re not cool with that, ok. Just be prepared for more and more of this type of stuff to happen. I guarantee that the laws will change eventually. It just has to hit closer to home for some of our gun lobbying politicians. I hope you feel some responsibility when a child is murdered by one of these weapons because of lax gun laws. Just say “it is what it is, I like my guns and I’m willing to accept the murder of other Americans.”

As long as you drive a car do you take some responsibility for everyone killed in an auto accident?

The gun isn't the problem. The problem is the perceived repercussions. If they took the guy out that shot up the parade and sat him in an electric chair without a hood to be publicly electrocuted and let everyone watch his eyes cook and pop out of his head while they did it this might be a deterrent. But no we can't do that, the tax payer will have to pay to let this person rot in prison for 30 years or more.

You let these people know they are going to get their 5 minutes of fame while they die in very horrific ways while being publicly broad cast around the world for people to see what happens to these sick individuals and maybe people will think twice about. How about a good old drawn and quartering, a couple hangings, maybe even a firing squad here or there.

We are soft on crime and that is the problem, not the fact that people have tools to do this stuff.

Drug dealers should be injected with the drug they are pushing and allowed to convulse to death as they OD on public TV. Rapists should be castrated and have it tattooed across their forehead unless it is a child, then castrated and allowed to bleed out. Make the punishment harsh and real realities and people will think twice about it.

Also I don't care if you 15 and shoot up your school, your still going to be executed.

[Test Monsterone]

I knew you might bring up the car example. For a car, I need a license that I keep updated, and I need to pass a permit test and license driving exam. Not only that, that limits me to normal passenger vehicles. If I want to drive a semi, or a motorcycle, I require other tests. For a semi you need to take classes and ride with a driver for 6 months or however long it takes. I looked into it years ago. On top of that, cars are a necessity. Guns aren’t. You can use other things as weapons, like baseball bats, swords, your fists… that cannot cause mass casualties. There is no replacement t for a vehicle. A gun has one and only one purpose: to kill or cause bodily harm. A car has a purpose to carry people and their belongings from one point to another. If we ban cars we go back to the 1700s. If we ban guns, we have less gun violence. Is it the same thing? And I’m not saying to ban guns, just to make it hard to get the high capacity powerful ones. Just like how it’s hard to get a semi license.


About the punishments. There was a study done on these mass shooters that revealed basically all of them were exposed to trauma at an early age. Most people like them normally resort to suicide, but a small number want others to feel their pain. Do you really think your strategy is going to deter someone who wants to die anyway from what their doing? Do you think these mass shooters expect to kill a bunch of people and live happily ever after? Come on dude. That Vegas shooter killed 55 people and killed himself right after. He wasn’t going to retire and sip martinis off Cape Cod.

[Ol_Wolf]

I knew you might bring up the car example. For a car, I need a license that I keep updated, and I need to pass a permit test and license driving exam. Not only that, that limits me to normal passenger vehicles. If I want to drive a semi, or a motorcycle, I require other tests. For a semi you need to take classes and ride with a driver for 6 months or however long it takes. I looked into it years ago. On top of that, cars are a necessity. Guns aren’t. You can use other things as weapons, like baseball bats, swords, your fists… that cannot cause mass casualties. There is no replacement t for a vehicle. A gun has one and only one purpose: to kill or cause bodily harm. A car has a purpose to carry people and their belongings from one point to another. If we ban cars we go back to the 1700s. If we ban guns, we have less gun violence. Is it the same thing? And I’m not saying to ban guns, just to make it hard to get the high capacity powerful ones. Just like how it’s hard to get a semi license.


About the punishments. There was a study done on these mass shooters that revealed basically all of them were exposed to trauma at an early age. Most people like them normally resort to suicide, but a small number want others to feel their pain. Do you really think your strategy is going to deter someone who wants to die anyway from what their doing? Do you think these mass shooters expect to kill a bunch of people and live happily ever after? Come on dude. That Vegas shooter killed 55 people and killed himself right after. He wasn’t going to retire and sip martinis off Cape Cod.

I can legally buy a car without a license or a permit, no test required! Easily steal a license plate at the airport long term lot and how long would it be before anyone reported it stolen? Would the owner even notice it missing when they first get back? Heck I bought my first car at age 12, a plymouth Duster. No gas station checks age.

Would it deter everyone, no! As long as you make the death gruesome it would deter a lot! What about the shooter at Chicago? He didn't kill himself and even had escape plan with a wig. The vast majority of these shooters are taken alive. This is a cry for attention and if you turn the attention into something they want no part of then it becomes a discouragement. Someone actually trying to die and take as many with them as possible isn't going to be stopped because they can't get an AR-15 style rifle. Actually in the close quarters most school shootings take place in, an AR is the poorest selection of weapons. A 12 gauge shotgun, common hunting rifle, would cause way more damage. A .357 magnum would allow for quicker aiming and if using the correct ammo would almost guarantee death to the victim.

[Mooseman33]

I knew you might bring up the car example. For a car, I need a license that I keep updated, and I need to pass a permit test and license driving exam. Not only that, that limits me to normal passenger vehicles. If I want to drive a semi, or a motorcycle, I require other tests. For a semi you need to take classes and ride with a driver for 6 months or however long it takes. I looked into it years ago. On top of that, cars are a necessity. Guns aren’t. You can use other things as weapons, like baseball bats, swords, your fists… that cannot cause mass casualties. There is no replacement t for a vehicle. A gun has one and only one purpose: to kill or cause bodily harm. A car has a purpose to carry people and their belongings from one point to another. If we ban cars we go back to the 1700s. If we ban guns, we have less gun violence. Is it the same thing? And I’m not saying to ban guns, just to make it hard to get the high capacity powerful ones. Just like how it’s hard to get a semi license.


About the punishments. There was a study done on these mass shooters that revealed basically all of them were exposed to trauma at an early age. Most people like them normally resort to suicide, but a small number want others to feel their pain. Do you really think your strategy is going to deter someone who wants to die anyway from what their doing? Do you think these mass shooters expect to kill a bunch of people and live happily ever after? Come on dude. That Vegas shooter killed 55 people and killed himself right after. He wasn’t going to retire and sip martinis off Cape Cod.

ok then we kill the shooters family and they have to watch. can only fight evil with evil.

yes its horrible to think, but something has to change and banning a gun aint going to make a difference.

[wango]

Historically we’ve roasted criminals on the spit, crushed them slowly under heavier & heavier rocks or torn them limb from limb. Didn’t do a damn thing.

More recently after hangings, there would be publicly viewed dissections in which were so popular they would have monster crowds. Nope. Oh, interesting side note, they also tried to bring the dissected corpses back to life using electricity. That too was done publicly. Do you think Mary Shelly pulled her idea out of her ass when she wrote Frankenstein?

Personally and from a anatomy/physiology perspective, crucifying (if done in a certain manner) can really drag the agony out for days. Very nasty & very slow. And that is very public.

Or we could try to make the availability of semiautomatic weapons and large magazines more difficult. I think in today’s L.A. times it said that there were 80 something shells and 3 magazines left behind. How many hits did this goofball make in his brief opportunity? Does he look like he lived at the shooting range?

[Test Monsterone]

Comprehensive take on mass shootings…it’s not just lax laws…