Thread: Is this the President you want?
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04-07-2004, 04:34 AM #1
Is this the President you want?
John Kerry on Defense
I hadn't seen this list printed until today.
It would make one helluva mailer if it were sent to voters.
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank
He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system
He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle
He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16
He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade
He voted to Kill the B-1
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system
He voted to Kill the FA-18
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the F117
In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 to include the battle armor for our troops. With Kerry as president our Armed Forces will be made up of naked men running around with sticks and clubs.
He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every Agency of the U.S. Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.
But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!!
Is THIS a President YOU want?
Sym
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04-07-2004, 04:48 AM #2
he probably did vote for the above, but who knows what the rest of the bill he was voting for looked like. thats the same reason he switched votes on that tax bill. the first time he voted on it it was good. the second time it was laced with a bunch of BS that wouldnt have been good for the country. now if each one of the above was a single bill with nothing else attached, and he voted agains all of that then yeah we have a problem. but bush still isnt the one we should want in there, if he stays another 4 years the USA will no longer be the super power of the world, it will become the country that the rest of the world hates and would love to destroy
i personally wish the general was still running, he would have been a good person in office
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04-07-2004, 05:03 AM #3Originally Posted by jcstomper
Oh, and you have a point about the bills. But in the end he still voted against ALL of those. Eventually you have to compromise eventually.
SymLast edited by Symian; 04-07-2004 at 05:06 AM.
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04-07-2004, 05:43 AM #4
One of the things I would be curious to see is the dates of when he voted the way he did. You have to keep in mind that he has been in public office for almost two decades. A lot has changed over that period of time.
In addition, jcstomper has a good point, I would like to know what the rest of the bills looked like.
It is all part of political propaganda. Give part of the story that makes your candidate look good and the other look bad. Because let's face it, a majority of Americans vote based on newspaper headlines without knowing all the facts.
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04-07-2004, 06:03 AM #5Anabolic Member
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as the new's explains it kerry has been in congress so long that he's probably voted for and against everything one time or another....one word,,bandwagon....
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04-07-2004, 06:19 AM #6Originally Posted by sepjuice
If it were, I could be crucified for suggesting someone use Twin Lab Amino Acid Tabs back in the day.
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04-07-2004, 06:36 AM #7Retired Vet
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Originally Posted by Diesel
J/k diesel, messed with your words
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04-07-2004, 07:13 AM #8Originally Posted by Symian
Saying that he voted to kill these weapons sytems and this would leave Americance defenceless is total BS. ie,
-the F15 has been through many incarnations... its first flight was in 1972... the F15E is simply an upgraded ground attack fighter - oh no! American doesnt have any planes capable of doing that! and BTW it was developed in 1987
-the M1 tank has been around since the early 80s, the uprgraded M1A1 began its production in 1985
I could go on....
I guess Kerry didn't see the need for a constantly inflating military budget when the Cold War was winding down. Why dont you tell us what he DID vote on instead. Maybe social security or something like that?
I supported Bush at he outset of the war and would constantly argue with anti-war demonstrators (hippies as I called them) I don't anymore. I hate Bush.
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04-07-2004, 08:18 AM #9
Its called politics. Both sides do it. Does our politics getb that much attention in Canada. I could not even tell you who runs your country.
I am assuming you are in Canada. If I am wrong then disregard.
Originally Posted by RP7
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04-07-2004, 08:34 AM #10
I love the one where this Massachusets.. (sp) guy says..
senator kerry voted 350 times to increase taxes.. as a working american with kids... he can't afford another kerry tax hike..The answer to your every question
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04-07-2004, 08:38 AM #11
Yea........ kerry didn't want to continue inflating military spending.. he wanted that money to feed, educate every worthless human being in america, visitor, as well as idiot.....
Hey............. hows that managed healthcare in canada working for ya.??
Craddle to Death care for everyone....... that's socialism.......... with the elite chaste having not only the power, and money (which we have today) but no way for the small guy to get ahead..
We don't hang that way here..........
Oh by the way........ the 2nd largest oil deposit is just off the california coast line.......... we just want to use up the oil of other counties before we have to tap ours...........
Originally Posted by RP7The answer to your every question
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04-07-2004, 08:49 AM #12
without a military, or properly equipped military, then we wont need social security, who will protect us??????? canada? um no.
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04-07-2004, 09:33 AM #13Originally Posted by decadbal
Did you know that China just sent their first astronaut in to orbit a few weeks ago. He orbited a few times and came down. That's how far ahead we are. Spirit's pictures just came in from Mars. I'm gonna go take a look. www.space.com
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04-07-2004, 09:40 AM #14
Nice point. I guess you are a big Rumsfield fan. He says the same thing and is trying to make our military smaller faster and stronger. Then again we could just throw all of our weapons away until we are even with our next competitor which is probably China. I think they would love that idea.
Other countries onlyu understand and leave us alone because we are so much more powerful. As an american I sleep beter at night knowing this.
Originally Posted by bookman
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04-07-2004, 09:40 AM #15
Nice point. I guess you are a big Rumsfield fan. He says the same thing and is trying to make our military smaller faster and stronger. Then again we could just throw all of our weapons away until we are even with our next competitor which is probably China. I think they would love that idea.
Other countries onlyu understand and leave us alone because we are so much more powerful. As an american I sleep better at night knowing this.
Originally Posted by bookman
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04-07-2004, 09:45 AM #16Originally Posted by mart651
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04-07-2004, 09:47 AM #17Originally Posted by bookman
We are only bullying the Middle east. The other countries( france and Russia) are only upset because their money and oil pool is all dried up. If I believed the things that was spoon fed to me by the media, I would be scared also.
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04-07-2004, 09:51 AM #18
I think we should still be flying B-29's, P-51s and using Shermans...but Kerry is puss, no doubt.
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04-07-2004, 10:51 AM #19
I'm no Kerry fan, but if you like Bush and vote for him, you are a complete imbecile and are not capable of thinking for yourself.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE A MORON!
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04-07-2004, 11:35 AM #20Originally Posted by spywizard
Those people being the top 5% in yearly earnings.
With Bush, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
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04-07-2004, 11:49 AM #21Originally Posted by spywizard
You guys get all pissy cause I said that maybe Kerry favoured other things as opposed to more military spending. "Whos gonna defend us, Canada?" - real mature response, making it seem like I said scrap the whole military. The US is so stacked with arms that all the $$$$ increases it could do without. Its the equivalent of Ronnie Coleman doing the world biggest cycle and going up to 350lbs when he was good at 275.
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04-07-2004, 11:58 AM #22ttuPrincess Guest
Screw both of them.. there both crazy fukkers!!!
Im running for President now.....
My campaign promises.....
Legalize steriods ..... but you will have to prove that you have worked ut for atleast a year and only ate McDonalds less then 5 times in one year.
All the small people, idiots and spring breakers will have to workout at their own gym
A new better tasting chicken will be invented!!!!
Now lets all rally behind the Princess!!!!!
HBP for President!!
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04-07-2004, 12:01 PM #23Originally Posted by ttuPrincess
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04-07-2004, 12:05 PM #24ttuPrincess GuestOriginally Posted by Diesel
Fat people who bitch about being overweight and also those who cannot dress properly will be sent to an island by themselves!
HBP
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04-07-2004, 12:09 PM #25Associate Member
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Originally Posted by ttuPrincess
better be a big island
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04-07-2004, 12:42 PM #26He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
From one of the reviews:
"It is the true story of the latter stages of development of the Bradley armoured vehicle which was featured in the Gulf War, and the Air Force officer, James Burton, whose task, by Congressional edict, was to sign off on the final testing of the vehicle. Without his approval the Bradley could not go into production.
The film is based on his book.
What he discovered was that the Bradley's design had evolved from a fast troop transport to a mish-mash of everything, making it unsuitable for each of its now numerous and contradictory roles.
Worse, however, was that the vehicle was an obvious death trap. If the paper-thin armour didn't get you, then the poisonous fumes would. And if they didn't do it, then the exploding of the vehicle's gas tank would finish off the job.
The army would not test the vehicle, except for those that they rigged--knowing full well what the results would be. Israel bought some, but seeing right off the bat that the vehicle as designed was a death trap, insisted on modifications.
So, there were two production lines: one for the Israeli version and one for the death trap US version: produced by its own country with the knowing enthusiasm and approval of military brass."
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...08743?v=glance
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04-07-2004, 01:05 PM #27Originally Posted by jcstomper
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04-07-2004, 01:43 PM #28Associate Member
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why do you have to bring Candian health care into this spywizard? are u trying to piss the Canadian board members off, or what? Not trying to burn you bro, i just don't see why that is neccessary.....
IMHO I wouldnt want to live with American-style medical care, for which, citizens pay 13 per cent of their GDP (compared to Canada’s 9 per cent) that leaves 41 million people without coverage?
Just thought a Canadian should say something...But, you should really leave that stuff out of a forum that has nothing to do with Canada in the first place, and im sure it offends other Canadians on here.
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04-07-2004, 02:48 PM #29Originally Posted by HyperSick
Wow, this has to be the worst response to a political thread i've ever seen. I like how people can have a civilized and educated debate and then some "moron," as this guy would say, comes along and looks like an idiot.
Great post bro
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04-07-2004, 03:34 PM #30Originally Posted by mart651
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04-07-2004, 03:53 PM #31
I would say that the majority of us on this board are what the government would call "drug abusers," and as such, we are targets of their silly "War on Drugs."
Now . . . would anyone care to defend this particular government prority? Or defend the hundreds of billions of $$$ spent to imprison small-time bud dealers and users, so the law enforcement industry (like Wackenhut, who builds, staffs, and runs some prisons) can cash in on the extra $$$?
Just like AS, it makes all kinds of sense to make drugs available through a physician, and make addiction a medical issue to be treated in hospitals, instead of criminalizing addicts and throwing them in jail.
Back in the good ol' Clinton years, federal spending for this foolishness dropped considerably. With Bush, spending went back up. So now, chances of you or me being "inconvenienced" by the feds telling us what we can or cannot do with our own bodies is growing . . . and should Bush II get re-elected, you can bet it'll only get worse.
So, it seems to me that folks here who are concerned about about access to both "magic pills" and hassle-free medical care necessary to stretch our physical limits, would be less likely to vote for Bush. But what the heck, Germans in 1946 probably would have re-elected Adolph Hitler if it had been possible. People do not always vote in their own long-term best interests . . .
-Tock
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04-07-2004, 03:56 PM #32Originally Posted by bookman
I recall that too.
Also, France said that the US would let Hans Blix continue his search for 30 more days, then they would change their UN vote to go along with the war on Iraq. Bush replied that he would not wait because of the "imminant danger to the US" and the rest is history.
Bush has the worst foreign policy ever . . .
--Tock
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04-07-2004, 04:10 PM #33
imminent danger .... ppffff.
Originally Posted by TockLast edited by bookman; 04-07-2004 at 04:12 PM. Reason: no title
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04-07-2004, 04:15 PM #34Associate Member
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awesome flick.
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04-07-2004, 04:27 PM #35
funny that kerry touts his military career and all..
"In one well-documented episode, Kerry joined with other veterans, tossing their war medals onto the lawn of the Capitol. Kerry freely admitted the medals he threw were not his." -- CNN
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04-07-2004, 04:35 PM #36Originally Posted by bookman
if we were that far ahead of anything, we woudlnt have to fight a war, and until then, i want our soldiers to have the best equipment and as much as they need. being a vetran myself, and a infantry soldier, as well as ranger, i know how important every piece of gear you have, so unless you were in the military, i dont expect you to understand that.
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04-07-2004, 04:42 PM #37Originally Posted by decadbal
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04-07-2004, 06:37 PM #38Originally Posted by bookman
Dude.....France and Japan dont even have a fvcking military.
I could go on but I think that about sums it up on this educated post I replied to.
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04-07-2004, 06:39 PM #39Originally Posted by bookman
Another smart post. Geez this is great. You must read the NY times and watch CNN to get your amazingly accurate information.
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04-07-2004, 06:41 PM #40Originally Posted by bermich
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