black admin requirements at ND

[decadbal]

whats everyones opinion on the notre dame thing with black students and lowering their admission requirements? I think its bull****, black ppl have enough advantages now, dancing, basketball, believing everything they say...lol no offense brothas im jokin

[Butch]

I think it is bullsh*t too...everyone should be created equal....I don't care if you are black, yellow, brown or whatever....it is f*ckin joke! Besides, this cannot make the black community feel too good considering that by lowering the requirements is like saying they are stupid and they more help....if I was black I would be fummin right now.

[arthurb999]

It bascially says black people are not as smart as everyone else...

[daman1]

It bascially says black people are not as smart as everyone else...

I agree and so they quit being loud and obnoxious...

[Danielle]

It bascially says black people are not as smart as everyone else...

your right..........thats exactly what its saying

[decadbal]

im sure the guy who thought this up will be on tv, beggin to not lose his job, bc he said it, and now has to backpeddle to keep from being sterotyped as a klansmen

[BigBull13]

Everything at Notre Dame should stay the same, every race should have to do the same thing in order to get in. They should not have to lower their standards to allow the dumbasses to get in. That means any race.

[decadbal]

i think the US society is really startin to cater to the black community and i dont really understand it, statistically they as a whole stay in more trouble, do more drugs and fill the prison system, i think a better method would be to be stricter on all college admin for all races and whoever earns it, should get it...

[151]

He said that ND needed to lower their requirements for everyone in order to land more black athletes. Not just to lower the requirement for blacks. . . . but then he came back and said that he used a bad choice of words and should have said all athletes. He said ND couldn't compete with other top colleges with such strict admission requirements.

Of course, ND issued a statment that said his opinion was not that of the university. . .

[decadbal]

with the low rate of college athletes going pro, why would they lower standerds, the education is what the kids will need to make money, bc they wont all be gettin paid to play ball....some of the higher ups in colleges are clearly not thinking....

[151]

I don't think ND will lower their standards. . . but football is a big source of revenue and a lot of universities would rather field a great football team with poor students as opposed to a poor team with great students.

[ColdSore]

race should never be a factor in admission requirements, or scholorships, or financial aide....did you know that in Texas if your like 1/4 indian all of your tuition is payed for!

Im tired of seeing the "Race Card" being pulled...its crap!

[decadbal]

i think on all forms of testing or job apps. they shouldnt allow the what race are you ?...

[Butch]

i think the US society is really startin to cater to the black community and i dont really understand it, statistically they as a whole stay in more trouble, do more drugs and fill the prison system, i think a better method would be to be stricter on all college admin for all races and whoever earns it, should get it...

I couldn't agree more....however, it is not only the black community...the mexican community is starting to take up where the blacks have left off...at least here in LA. They are populating the jails and they are committing most of the violent crimes.

A lil history of how LA has changed: we all have heard about Compton and South Central LA from the rappers....most people would associate these communities as being all black and viloent...true. However, those neighborhoods use to be all white, then the blacks over took the hoods and distryoed them....now the mexicans are running the blacks out...it's amazing to see this cycle happen right before my eyes...and I have only been here for 28 years. Of course, I was not alive when those towns were all white.

I guess what I am saying here is that we need to stick to our guns...the blacks and immigrants are always wanted to be created equal...fine you can be....but I think this is going to far...welfare is going to far....some of the other assitance they get is going to far....I know this country was not white...we over took it from the Indians...who are now laughing at the white man....i guess this is life.

Sorry to rant....I just noice somethings that others may not....

[allsaucedup]

They are not talking about lowering standards for blacks to get in. They are talking about lowering standards across the board to atract more black athletes who don't qualify right now. IF the standards are lowered it will be for everyone not just blacks. The person who said this was Paul Hourning. He played football there in the 50's even won the Heisman but he is not in Notre Dame's administration. No one at the university ever said anything about lowering their entrance standards.

[ColdSore]

I couldn't agree more....however, it is not only the black community...the mexican community is starting to take up where the blacks have left off...at least here in LA. They are populating the jails and they are committing most of the violent crimes.

A lil history of how LA has changed: we all have heard about Compton and South Central LA from the rappers....most people would associate these communities as being all black and viloent...true. However, those neighborhoods use to be all white, then the blacks over took the hoods and distryoed them....now the mexicans are running the blacks out...it's amazing to see this cycle happen right before my eyes...and I have only been here for 28 years. Of course, I was not alive when those towns were all white.

I guess what I am saying here is that we need to stick to our guns...the blacks and immigrants are always wanted to be created equal...fine you can be....but I think this is going to far...welfare is going to far....some of the other assitance they get is going to far....I know this country was not white...we over took it from the Indians...who are now laughing at the white man....i guess this is life.

Sorry to rant....I just noice somethings that others may not....

thats a **** good point...i wonder what the %'s of govt assistance go to blacks, mexicans, and others?...even whites

[151]

They are not talking about lowering standards for blacks to get in. They are talking about lowering standards across the board to atract more black athletes who don't qualify right now. IF the standards are lowered it will be for everyone not just blacks. The person who said this was Paul Hourning. He played football there in the 50's even won the Heisman but he is not in Notre Dame's administration. No one at the university ever said anything about lowering their entrance standards.

Exactly.

[decadbal]

where are the brothers at on the board, be good to hear their opinions about this sub... and by saying they are lowing it so more black students can get in, isnt that the same as saying its for black students?

[older-than-dirt]

It's really about calling white guys poor athletes !

[floyd_turbo]

i'm not for it, and i'm not against it...... whats the worst that can come from it? a more educated population... i think if it serves as a means to an end so be it..

ft-

[151]

where are the brothers at on the board, be good to hear their opinions about this sub... and by saying they are lowing it so more black students can get in, isnt that the same as saying its for black students?

Only one person said it. . . and it wouldn't just effect black students, it would effect everyone. But it's not gonna happen, anyway.

[allsaucedup]

where are the brothers at on the board, be good to hear their opinions about this sub... and by saying they are lowing it so more black students can get in, isnt that the same as saying its for black students?

No one from the University has even comminted about this. Paul Hourning was trying to make the point that ND could not compete in football if they did not get the same athletes as Miami and USC and others. This happens to most of the time be inner city kids who concentrate on sports more than academics. This has nothing to do with calling anyone less athletic or giving one race a break cause of there skin color. This is not a black and white thing it is a football thing and ND is not going to lower its standards, because its academic reputation far out weighs its football rep.

[decadbal]

No one from the University has even comminted about this. Paul Hourning was trying to make the point that ND could not compete in football if they did not get the same athletes as Miami and USC and others. This happens to most of the time be inner city kids who concentrate on sports more than academics. This has nothing to do with calling anyone less athletic or giving one race a break cause of there skin color. This is not a black and white thing it is a football thing and ND is not going to lower its standards, because its academic reputation far out weighs its football rep.

great point, also i played a year of college ball and it has yet to help me get any job, the inner city kids need to focus on education, not athletics, so few of them or any race will turn pro, that the education is the only sure chance they have

[151]

great point, also i played a year of college ball and it has yet to help me get any job, the inner city kids need to focus on education, not athletics, so few of them or any race will turn pro, that the education is the only sure chance they have

But I think the problem lies with the parents who put so much emphasis on sports because they think their child is going to be a star.

[decadbal]

But I think the problem lies with the parents who put so much emphasis on sports because they think their child is going to be a star.

completely agree, parents are psycho about sports today...

[allsaucedup]

great point, also i played a year of college ball and it has yet to help me get any job, the inner city kids need to focus on education, not athletics, so few of them or any race will turn pro, that the education is the only sure chance they have

Ya well its about the dream i guess if we did not see our sports heros driving the nicest cars and having the nicest houses would we persue it so hard. I played D1 college basketball and when i first signed that scholarship i thought for sure i would play in the NBA. Thank God my scholarship allowed me to stay in school and get my degree even after my playing days were over.

[allsaucedup]

one more point Notre Dame's Football team has 65 scholarship athletes 53% of them are black. the is higher than the national average for D1 schools

[Butch]

Parents are psycho about sports becasue it is their cash cow....come on, Tiger Woods you think his dad wanted him to be a pro golfer just to be...bullsh*t...he wanted the cash and fame...look at the Williams sisters....there from the ghetto...dad wanted money...dad got money....so most parents and I am not saying every parent....but most of them from the ghetto do this cause they want something out of it as well....their no dummies.

[zx7racing]

ND isnt talking about doing anything. it is from a has been player on some small talk radio channel.. hes some old fuddy duddy that grew up with segregation etc.. and wanted to throw his misinformed two cents in.. it doesnt reflect anything on ND or college ball other than the fact that idiots get degrees every day..

[I'm in a Hurry!]

I tottally dont agree! From any point of views this is a really bad decision! First from the black community it's unrespectfull and it would put a shame on their intelligence... and from the others, well it's surelly unfair. They already give them a lot of job avantage so....
All Men shoud be treated equal
All Women shoud be treated equal
Men & Women aren't perfectly similar so shoudn't be treated as perfectly the same as man... but that I could start a Thread on it
No offense ladies but I'm just saying they because we are different we diserve some difference in our treatmen

[Carlos_E]

Parents are psycho about sports becasue it is their cash cow....come on, Tiger Woods you think his dad wanted him to be a pro golfer just to be...bullsh*t...he wanted the cash and fame...look at the Williams sisters....there from the ghetto...dad wanted money...dad got money....so most parents and I am not saying every parent....but most of them from the ghetto do this cause they want something out of it as well....their no dummies.

You must be a billionaire if you think the neighborhood Tiger Woods and the William sisters grew up in are ghetto. Tiger Woods comes from an upper middle class family and the Williams sisters middle class. Neither is from the ghetto.

As far as lowering entrance standards across the board that's the dumbest idea I've heard in a while. ND's standards are higher than other schools and they have no problems getting good athletes.

[Carlos_E]

I tottally dont agree! From any point of views this is a really bad decision! First from the black community it's unrespectfull and it would put a shame on their intelligence... and from the others, well it's surelly unfair. They already give them a lot of job avantage so....
All Men shoud be treated equal
All Women shoud be treated equal
Men & Women aren't perfectly similar so shoudn't be treated as perfectly the same as man... but that I could start a Thread on it
No offense ladies but I'm just saying they because we are different we diserve some difference in our treatmen

Yeah, Women can spell. You can't.

[I'm in a Hurry!]

well there's the REAL but unuse defenition of ghetto: Community of race that live in the same area. I do like in an Italian ghetto... am I poor? not at all... there's no link. Poor ghetto is what was meant I think. But there isn't any thing offensive in ghetto. Tiger Woods and Serena comes from ghetto but not from a poor family

[Carlos_E]

well there's the REAL but unuse defenition of ghetto: Community of race that live in the same area. I do like in an Italian ghetto... am I poor? not at all... there's no link. Poor ghetto is what was meant I think. But there isn't any thing offensive in ghetto. Tiger Woods and Serena comes from ghetto but not from a poor family

He was born in Cypress, California. Cypress is 3% Black, 20% Asian, 11% other and 66% White. So I guess you're saying he grew up in a white ghetto.

[miked512]

I couldn't agree more....however, it is not only the black community...the mexican community is starting to take up where the blacks have left off...at least here in LA. They are populating the jails and they are committing most of the violent crimes.

A lil history of how LA has changed: we all have heard about Compton and South Central LA from the rappers....most people would associate these communities as being all black and viloent...true. However, those neighborhoods use to be all white, then the blacks over took the hoods and distryoed them....now the mexicans are running the blacks out...it's amazing to see this cycle happen right before my eyes...and I have only been here for 28 years. Of course, I was not alive when those towns were all white.

I guess what I am saying here is that we need to stick to our guns...the blacks and immigrants are always wanted to be created equal...fine you can be....but I think this is going to far...welfare is going to far....some of the other assitance they get is going to far....I know this country was not white...we over took it from the Indians...who are now laughing at the white man....i guess this is life.

Sorry to rant....I just noice somethings that others may not....

and you my friend, are an idiot.

[miked512]

I agree and so they quit being loud and obnoxious...

****, you're an idiot too.

[abstrack]

a bunch a racists just filled this room

[Butch]

You must be a billionaire if you think the neighborhood Tiger Woods and the William sisters grew up in are ghetto. Tiger Woods comes from an upper middle class family and the Williams sisters middle class. Neither is from the ghetto.

As far as lowering entrance standards across the board that's the dumbest idea I've heard in a while. ND's standards are higher than other schools and they have no problems getting good athletes.

Bro I don't know where you are from...but Compton/South Central LA a.k.a The Ghetto is not upper middle class....which is where the Williams sisters grew up...Tiger....true Cypress is not a ghetto but it is not the most desired place to live in LA.....

I do agree with your second comment....regarding that in the past ND has never had to worry abotu getting athletes....they had one bad season last year....Ty could turn it around if they give him a chance.

[Swellin]

As far as lowering entrance standards across the board that's the dumbest idea I've heard in a while. ND's standards are higher than other schools and they have no problems getting good athletes.

I think this is the first time I have ever agreed with you Carlos....one of us must be slipping.

[Butch]

and you my friend, are an idiot.

LMAO...and this is coming froma guy/girl who is from Atlanta.....