final suggestions to 17 week cycle HELP!!!

**AustrianOAK14** · 05-23-2004, 06:23 PM

wk 1-15 test. cyp. 400mg/wk
wk 1-5 d-bol 40mg/ed
wk 1-5 deca --600mg/wk
wk 5-15 bold200-400mg/wk
wk 10-17 winny 400mg/wk
wk 5-10 tren 150mg/wk

this is my final planning for my 2nd ever cycle what do you bros think should this be a good lean mass cycle and when should i start pct???

**KeyMastur** · 05-23-2004, 06:38 PM

winny - how are you going to get 57.142857 (repeating) each time

deca only to drop it and then add eq ?

tren 150 mg's week ?? at least 75 mg's day

**animal-inside** · 05-23-2004, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by AustrianOAK14

wk 1-15 test. cyp. 400mg/wk
wk 1-5 d-bol 40mg/ed
wk 1-5 deca --600mg/wk
wk 5-15 bold200-400mg/wk
wk 10-17 winny 400mg/wk
wk 5-10 tren 150mg/wk

this is my final planning for my 2nd ever cycle what do you bros think should this be a good lean mass cycle and when should i start pct???

like keym said.. I'd drop the deca... and I'd drop the winny.. winny IMO is not worht it. And too many sides (hairlioss, joint pain) to make it worth using for me

if I were you I would do
1-15 600mg cyp
1-5 40 mg dbol
1-13 400mg EQ
1-10 75mg tren ed

**TheMudMan** · 05-23-2004, 08:17 PM

No matter how you run those compounds your gains will not be lean....... Most of the compounds being used will bloat you..... Here's a cycle to consider

1 - 15 Prop 75mg ED
1 - 12 EQ 500mg/wk
1 - 10 Fina 50mg ED
1 - 15 L-dex .25mg ED
1 - 15 Nolva 10mg ED
1 - 15 Vit B6 200mg ED

Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex / 200mg B6
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex / 200mg B6
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex / 200mg B6

This cycle should give you lean gains if diet and cardio are in check.

***BajanBastard*** · 05-23-2004, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

No matter how you run those compounds your gains will not be lean....... Most of the compounds being used will bloat you..... Here's a cycle to consider

1 - 15 Prop 75mg ED
1 - 12 EQ 500mg/wk
1 - 10 Fina 50mg ED
1 - 15 L-dex .25mg ED
1 - 15 Nolva 10mg ED
1 - 15 Vit B6 200mg ED

Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex / 200mg B6
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex / 200mg B6
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex / 200mg B6

This cycle should give you lean gains if diet and cardio are in check.

This is a good cycle but if you using L-DEX you can use test enanthate with out problems so IMO this can work as well ( u choose the dose you want )

1-15 test e 500-600 mg wk
1-13 eq 400-500 mg wk
1-10 fina 50-75 mg ed
follow the previous ancillary useage
PCT 3 wks after last test shot.

**TheMudMan** · 05-23-2004, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

This is a good cycle but if you using L-DEX you can use test enanthate with out problems so IMO this can work as well ( u choose the dose you want )

1-15 test e 500-600 mg wk
1-13 eq 400-500 mg wk
1-10 fina 50-75 mg ed
follow the previous ancillary useage
PCT 3 wks after last test shot.

L-dex works but it will not keep you from totally bloating............ I've ran all tests and have always used either L-dex and Nolva or Proviron and Nolva and by my 8th week give or take with longer acting estered tests I'm bloating pretty bad........... and my diet, cardio, water in take are always in check.............. I'm going by his golas for this cycle and what I laid out will get him there from what I have experianced.

***BajanBastard*** · 05-23-2004, 08:41 PM

What i was looking at is the length of his cycle that's a lot of shots over that time period..........so mabye reducing the no. of injection might help him out but learning your overall exp yeah he should run the prop cycle.

**TheMudMan** · 05-23-2004, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

What i was looking at is the length of his cycle that's a lot of shots over that time period..........so mabye reducing the no. of injection might help him out but learning your overall exp yeah he should run the prop cycle.

He should be runing the fina ED anyway........... You brought up a good point and it's true.... why do all those injections if you don't have to but in this case he's forced to anyway because of the fina......... plus it's more geared towards his goals also.

**AustrianOAK14** · 05-23-2004, 09:07 PM

cool thanks guys.....good info and i think the sides that go along with juice are different from person to person....i ran 1000mgs of sustanon 250 last cycle no mpb just acne good gains and lots bloat especially to my face....i think the winny is good and its stan 100 not 50 keymastur! i think the trembolona and winny will harden up my gains sumwhat especially with the test.. but i spent 600 bucks on gear thats a lot for me...my diet is clean with 5000 calories, lots of h2o(.66 * my bodyweight), and about 350g of protein a day i thinkn ill be in good shpae with my cycle but thanks bros

**AustrianOAK14** · 05-23-2004, 09:12 PM

to me juice sides vary from person to person luckily i have no mpb, gyno, or hypertension etc.....just a lil acne which i know can be cleared up by taking accutane after completion of cycle

**KeyMastur** · 05-24-2004, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by AustrianOAK14

i think the winny is good and its stan 100 not 50 keymastur

doesn't matter what concentration it is, it should be run ED, not weekly. your proposed cycle is 400 mg's week, which is 57.whatever i put earlier ED.