View Poll Results: Which would you choose if it's all you could use for your next 3 cycles? (why?)
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Tren & Test (any kind of test)
41 49.40% -
Deca & Test (any kind of test)
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Anavar (Var) & Test (any kind of test)
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EQ & Test (any kind of test)
9 10.84%
Thread: Tren/test vs. Deca/test stack
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05-31-2004, 07:42 PM #1Anabolic Member
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Tren/test vs. Deca/test stack
I've been doing some research on Tren --considering using it. However, based on what I've found, it's not worth messing with if I can get similar effects by runing the basics (tesosterone, deca , dbol ) with anti-estrogens or by using winny or var.
Those of you who have used tren/test and deca/test stacks, please offer your comments on the differences you noted. Any benefits, drawbacks, etc to using either.
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05-31-2004, 07:48 PM #2
I like the leaner gains I get from tren , and the unreal strength gains....... Deca bloats me and I hate to be bloated.
I got really bad sides from fina..... insomnia, night sweats, and acne (this was the worst side, on other AS I hardly break out).
So, I will probaly never use either again..... but tren IMO was superior of the two.
Prop/EQ is may favorite with a little Var
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05-31-2004, 08:10 PM #3
Test/Tren ...lean mass,great strength gains,ability to diet down,and still put on quality mass.....Down side..night sweats,insomnia,very high bp,rapid pulse,and slight aggression.
Test/deca ....mass gains are about the only significant thing I can think of....down side for me was bloat.
Hard decission for me to make..depends on my goals.Even tho the sides were aweful with tren,the results surely made up for it.So I'd prob pick tren/test cycle myself.
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05-31-2004, 08:13 PM #4
I've used tren /prop/var before loved them, I'll be using tren/test both with the enan ester with var next.
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05-31-2004, 08:21 PM #5Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Da Bull
I just posted an article about tren where the person observes that although tren is an excellent mass builder, it is still trumped by the overall mass building properties of testosterone.
I've made this observation silently quite a while ago, but almost everyone who talks about the sides of tren mentions distinct, increased agression. I wonder....when real fina was available was it responsible for the impression people now have of steroids causing wild mood swings and sudden aggression. Of course there's Halotestin that causes a definite increase in aggression too.
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05-31-2004, 08:31 PM #6Originally Posted by BASK8KACE
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05-31-2004, 08:34 PM #7
Fina never gave me mood swings..... and it doesn't take much for me to get nuts either.
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05-31-2004, 08:44 PM #8
prop and var, just because i hate to be bloated, and id rather gain 10 lean lbs, and stay lean, rather then gain 20 and have 30% of that be fat gains
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05-31-2004, 08:48 PM #9
i ran sust and deca for my 1st...and now in my 3rd im running prop/tren /winny....and i swear on my life it will be hard to ever top this cycle so far...i look the best i ever have...im the strongest i ever have been...and every morning is like christmas b/c i find new muscles, and better definition...
so my vote goes to prop/tren~!!!!!!!!!!!
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05-31-2004, 09:20 PM #10Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by ColdStone
What was your Prop/Tren/Winny Cycle? What type of Tren did you run with it?
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05-31-2004, 09:34 PM #11
I've run Prop/Tren , Prop/Deca , Prop/EQ..
*Prop/Tren combo gave me crazy strength, vascularity, leaned me out like never before, and I maintain a fairly lean physique year round(10-13%)
Prop/Deca combo gave me mass gains, bloat, and good strength gains..I have always responded well to Deca..
As far as my Prop/EQ cycle it's hard to tell because I was running EQ 800mgs/wk, Prop 100mgs/ed, and Tren 100mgs/ed for 15 weeks..Tren was only for 6 weeks..It is hard to top the gains I got from this cycle, but it took a toll on me and I ended up sick for over 2 weeks..Viral..Not gear related, but it slowed my progress..
I will also comment on Tren as it is often spoken about..The sides for me personally were minor..Night sweats which eventually subsided after the 4th week, a little acne, NO mood swings or aggression, BP elevated, pulse rate elevated, but nothing dangerous..Of every AS I have used, I would pick Tren 10 out of 10 times because of the effects it has on me personally..I love Tren...
Okay, I know I've babbled on..So my vote would go to Prop/Tren
Doc M
I am getting ready to Run a Prop, Deca, and Tren combo here in the next month or so..I have NEVER had any ill effects from the Deca or Tren and NEVER need to use an anti-estrogen during these cycles..I will keep an update on this upcoming cycle since it is an odd and often frowned upon cycle combination..
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05-31-2004, 10:02 PM #12
Basics for me. I am scared to death of Tren . I'll make it for some bro's of mine but I am scared of anything that tears up the kidneys.
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05-31-2004, 10:09 PM #13Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
Lozgog, I'm glad you responded. I had forgotten about the kidney effect. Finding blood in my urine is not something that I'd like to chance for just a bit of size.
Once again, the basics are looking safest and best.
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05-31-2004, 10:19 PM #14
Everyone keeps saying Tren has so many bad sides. Well obviously I can't speak for everyone, but I'm on Tren now and I have ZERO sides. I sleep like I always have, no night sweats, and my skin is as clear as ever. As far as the other more serious sides, my BP is awesome (127/75) and my kidneys are fine. No pain, and my piss is clear. I have experienced all the benefits though, up like 10+lbs, and much stronger. Also my physique is changing dramtically, and I have burned fat. I guess i'm the ideal picture of steriod use though, everyone is different.
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05-31-2004, 10:20 PM #15
Can I get a prescription for tren /prop please.
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05-31-2004, 10:24 PM #16Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by JohnDoe1234
Are you using trenbolone acetate or trenbolone hexahydrobencylcarbonate?
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05-31-2004, 10:25 PM #17Originally Posted by JohnDoe1234
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05-31-2004, 10:34 PM #18
Why does everyone use such high doses? Bask you my friend I know love low doses, why not something like 40mg ED....
Im on 50mg and this is just my 3rd day... Ill see how I feel in a week or two. I used prop last cycle and grew greatly I cant wait to see how this one unfolds.... 75mg of prop and 50mg of tren ... lean mass is calling me...
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05-31-2004, 10:50 PM #19Anabolic Member
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Mr. Sparkle,
Good point. I've considered doing lower doses of tren and prop. I just don't like the idea of the fact that sooo many people experience most of the bad sides that tren has to offer.
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05-31-2004, 11:31 PM #20Originally Posted by BASK8KACE
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06-01-2004, 12:03 AM #21Originally Posted by BASK8KACE
about the tren ...honestly...i go the same sides from test alone...night sweats, and thats about it...i have a short tmeper as it is, so the tren may not help with that????
Im useing real trenbalone acte...i converted it myself...i use finaplix that first time...and im sure ill catch some **** on this...but you CAN tell the difference...finplix was ok...but i have never gotten this strong this quick, and this hard....im being serious when i said every morning is like christmas...and my girl sees i too...i look different ed...i love it...
prop/tren/and maybe some winny...yull be golden...you have the body for it too...nice and thick right now...youll add 10 solid lbs and lean up with a DECENT diet...not strict at all...i have a cheat meal about ED...and no fat gain what so ever...im cutting starting today so im gonna get clean...but it was nice to eat whatever when ever and not bloat or get fat!!!...i love this ****!
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06-01-2004, 12:07 AM #22
It's experiences like that, that makes me considering thinking about maybe trying Tren , but has anyone gotten kidney labs (blood work) after Tren usage?
Originally Posted by ColdStone
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06-01-2004, 12:07 AM #23Anabolic Member
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06-01-2004, 12:12 AM #24Originally Posted by BASK8KACE
lots of old timers swear its better than tren so i would love to see you use it and give us feedback
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06-01-2004, 12:13 AM #25Originally Posted by Lozgod
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06-01-2004, 12:57 AM #26Originally Posted by ColdStone
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06-01-2004, 01:30 AM #27
sorry to hear that coldstone....
As for me, looking forward to trying tren /test
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06-01-2004, 07:23 AM #28Originally Posted by ColdStone
i cant believe that happened, 50 ml of tren, i would have cried then punched myself in the face but that is just me.
i would to test tren cycle hands down. i would do it with prop to cut or test e to bulk. seems like you can get the best of both worlds with tren. cant wait to try it, just 5 more months baby.
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06-01-2004, 08:11 AM #29
I too have gone back and forth on whether or not to use in Tren in a cycle.
The reasons I consider using it:
1. Cost- its so cheap to make your own compared to buying most AAS...for me at least
2. Results- I have yet to hear anyone say Tren did not give them the results they wanted
3. New AAS for me- I'm a strong believer in that the 1st time you use a new compound it will be more effective than doing the same cycle over and over
Reasons I don't use it yet:
Making it- I realize that it supposed to be very simple, but I'm not sure if I trust myself to make a product to inject myself IM. Although I could buy it premade, it seems like a waste of money.
Sides- I'm sure there are ppl out there who see no sides, but what if i'm not one. Then I get stuck with all the nasty sides but a great body. Not worth it IMO
Diet- As we all know your diet is 90% of growing or cutting, anyone can lift weights or use AAS, but to really have your diet down for bulking or cutting is a science. I am already lean, and when I need to cut it should not be a problem. My goals do not include to have a huge body and very vascular appearance. Therefore I do not see a reason to use such a potent compound such as Tren.
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06-01-2004, 08:23 AM #30Anabolic Member
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tmeoe,
That's a good summary of why I'm leaning away from it. Another thing: I've pretty much only used human grade gear, with few exceptions (EQ). Whether I make it or some lab guy does it in a non-regulated lab, I'm gonna be concerned about the purity (not something I have to worry about when I'm getting human grade gear made by the large pharmaceutical companies).
It looks like I'm gonna stick with the basics a bit longer. Eventually, I will try tren perhaps.
But...I'd still like to hear others' comments on their good and bad Tren/Parabolan experiences.Last edited by BASK8KACE; 06-01-2004 at 08:46 AM.
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06-01-2004, 08:30 AM #31
Cool thing about tren is if the sides suck to bad drop it... I mean its out so fast. I really think you should really look into tren...
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06-01-2004, 08:45 AM #32Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
That's why I wanted to "think out loud" in this thread to see what others have to say about it.
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06-01-2004, 10:28 PM #33
All this talk of tren and kidney damage is nonsense. It is an urban myth in the steriod circle. Finaplex Question
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06-01-2004, 10:58 PM #34Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by JohnDoe1234
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this side effects (including kidney damage) as an urban myth.
When something is not true or not fully proven, one will often find many contradictory bits of information on the subject. The drug profiles on many different board tend to disband myths or challenge possible misinformation. This doesn't seem to be the case with kidney damage as a result of Tren. Remember kidney damage is not listed as a definite side-effect, it is listed as a possible side effect.
One thing I find interesting is that some write ups mention that after the original fina was no longer produced, the chances of getting real, pure tren on the black market dropped to approximately 5%. I'm not a home brew guru, so I don't know how close the homemade tren is to the origninal fina.
Anyway, if you have not have experienced any sides, from Tren, then that's excellent. But do not confuse your personal experience with what is definite for all others, because steroids affect each person differently.
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06-02-2004, 07:10 AM #35
Prop/Tren ED Injects = Amazing Results.
I used BD and the results far surpassed what I was expecting in terms of hard LBM gains with next to nothing for sides.
Like Coldstone said diet on tren doesn't have to be all that strict and you still drop BF.
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06-02-2004, 08:54 AM #36
I had great results from my first cycle of Test-e and Deca ... I wouldn't mind doing it again... I do have it stocked up for my next cycle... On the same time, I had a significant gain of about 15-20lbs... it's hard to calculate since my body fat dropped as well... But, I'll do this again on my next cycle...
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06-02-2004, 02:10 PM #37Originally Posted by BASK8KACE
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06-02-2004, 02:52 PM #38Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by JohnDoe1234
The absence of information does not validate your point. The reason many of us turn to boards like this, other than comraderie, is to gather information on steroids for which there is little if any reputable, large scale research on the way we use steroids .
For now, until I read reputable comments to the contrary, I'll still be wary about Tren causing kidney damage.
I personally have not experienced many of the side effects for certain drugs, but it doesn't mean the possibility does not exist.
Yes, there's a possiblity that there is truth to what you say, but I am always hard pressed to believe information when it is presented to me without support. If you read through my posts, you'll find that I prefer to err on the side of caution. Although I have not yet completely elimiminated using Tren as a possibity, the kidney side effects, along with many other things already mentioned weigh heavily against it.
If you are able to supply concrete information, then I'd be glad to consider your point of view as valid. But without any support for or against the existence of that side effect, I'll err on the side of caution and believe that it is a possibility.Last edited by BASK8KACE; 06-02-2004 at 02:54 PM.
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06-02-2004, 03:03 PM #39Anabolic Member
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BTW, This is part of the reason I'm posting about tren --I'd like to have discussions about it, so I can learn more.
So, JohnDoe1234, I'm glad you've joined the discussion. If you have other information about this, let me know.
I'm doing internet searches and board searches about this now, and ther is lots of conflicting info--more than I had originally found when reading about Tren since I have not been focusing on the kidney damage side effect of it.
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06-08-2004, 12:47 PM #40
just curius... bascet case, Is that you on the photo?? How long have you been working out??
Sorry for loosing the thread.Last edited by LILLEN; 06-08-2004 at 12:50 PM.
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