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In a recent post, DB and Mud called Winny injectable a 17aa substance. I had always thought that 17aa was only done to orals which must pass thru the liver.
Why is Winny injectable 17aa also ? What is the purpose of 17aa in something you inject since it bypasses the liver
they both are the exact same compound. That's why you can drink your injectable winny.
i think he's trying to ask, why injectible winstrol is not 17aa derivitive free, instead of beeing a 17aa steroid which still passes through the liver while beeing injected?Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisAdams
if your asking that bro i have no idea, i wish i knew that also.
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Originally Posted by chrisAdams
aaahhhhhhh.....
The reason why the injectable is alkylated is because if it wasn't, it wouldn't be winistrol. It's be something else. Dbol is alkylated boldenone (eq without the ester). Those compounds are nothing alike in effects, but the only chemical difference is the alkylation.
Now you know.
alkylated boldenone (eq without the ester) --> Sources?Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisAdams
what do you mean sources? how's www.chemfinder.com ? they have molecular pictures of both boldenone and dianabol. take a look for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingofmasters
know what? your doubting me bothered me so much i got the structures myself. Suck it. They're gifs so you have to click them to see them. See that methyl group on the farthest right carbon in the picture on the right? That's the alkylation. there's a hydrogen there in boldenone. In boldenone, the OH group is where the ester would be in EQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingofmasters
Why would me doubting you be such of a bother?Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisAdams
Your no God as is any man --> Critcism is the source of Science!
I just asked for chemical structures because I have never studied or even used Dianabol.
Second of all have you ever Shot Boldenon BASE or a Boldenon variant that has give or take about the same half-life as Dianabol, if not, then you shouldn't say it is completely different from Dianabol (You probably compared it with Equipose which is undecelynate)...
Greets
Kingofmasters
lol, dude, i was joking. But.. they are very very different. The androgenic/anabolic ratio is different when comparing boldenone base and dbol. The amount of water retention is a huge difference. No bloat on BB and huge bloat on dbol. Estrogen conversion is far stronger with dbol as well.
It's common knowledge in steroid chemistry that an alkylation or methylation alters the drug's effects greatly.
winstrol is a 17aa so it can be used orally..winstrol is not as hard on your liver
when you inject it though,while it dosen't enter the body through the liver it's still
broken down by it..providing a lower but more continous level of stress...The stress
will be amplified taking other orals at the same time...
hope that helps
KP
i wouldn't doubt CA on the chemistry stuff at all, the man is a chemistry guru
aw, thanks 50.
Can we make esters of Winstrol, Dianabol, etc., for injection?
by Bill Roberts <-- Read this for more info
While there are a number of interesting oral steroids that, at first glance, would be appealing candidates for making esters, in fact there are very good reasons why no such products are available. Indeed, there are absolutely no 17-alkylated steroid esters on the market.
First, they would be difficult to synthesize. The 17-methyl group which works to block liver enzymes from reacting with the steroid molecule will also hinder the material one would use to make the ester from reacting with the steroid.
More seriously, there is the fact that a 17-methyl would also block enzymes in the body from hydrolyzing (removing) the ester, which would be necessary to yield the active steroid.
So I do not expect that you will ever see esters of Winstrol, Dianabol, or any 17-alkylated steroid on the market, and don’t recommend that anyone try making them. They would probably be inactive, or if they have any activity, it would be very low
For the record - that was a very good question!Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanDawg
Am I wrong in saying that Boldenon Base and D-bol are very different things. Base is just esterless while D-bol is alkylated right? That makes the world of difference. Just think of how tiny of a difference it takes chemically to have water or a bomb. Not much.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingofmasters
and what, I am chopped liver? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 50%Natural
Just Kidding!
Kingofmasters
i don't know of your background....you a chemistry guru yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by kingofmasters
well my biography can be read if you click on my profile or look at my post-historyQuote:
Originally Posted by 50%Natural
This is a page I've had bookmarked for a long time:
http://www.anabolicextreme.com/archi..._structure.htm
That is a link that doesnt work
worked fine for me
thanks for that link einstein
Now it worked after a few tries.
thanks W!Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior