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    FOX NEWS on Sunday!!! "Steroids Kill" WTF

    follow this link:
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    This is all we need. Watch the video.... This is such bull****.


    E-mail FOX your opinion ***AND TELL THEM WHERE YOU CAME FROM***

    [email protected] (put *BREAKING POINT* as the subject)

    Anyone who wants to "speak out" PLEASE E-mail these guys!

    This is what I wrote to Fox News about this segment

    My name is Brian Clapp - owner of www.Steroid.com

    Look,

    What you guys are doing here is miss leading and is totally distorting the truth. The title of this news segment is "The Truth About Steroids ". Why don't you take a minute to tell the truth! From the clip I saw, there is no proof that this teenager was not just going through normal teenage stages of high testosterone and raging hormones. How does hitting a wall and getting upset on a basketball court indicate any unusual teenage behavior. I had worse behavior and never touched steroids at that age. You are causing a bigger problem by showing teenagers and parents this segment. More teenagers will now be more curious on these drugs and will want to become "the big man on campus". Why don't you tell them about stunted growth and fused growth plates. TELL THE TRUTH Will steroids kill many of the people who use them or just 1 out of 100 million? How many people will DIE from the use vs. will have serious long term side effects. That's a real story! I am not saying that steroids should be used by teenagers. This will more than likely cause permanent side effects. Tell them that they will stay 5' 5" their entire life due to using anabolic steroids at a young age. That will work better than trying to blow smoke up their asses and telling them they will die. They are much smarter than that. They see their peers move on every year to be successful people AFTER leaving school and AFTER using anabolic steroids . Do you really think that they will believe they will die from using steroids? That answer is easy one.



    We do not agree with teenagers using steroids, but we want them to know the truth.

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    Typical, there was another post about his yeasturday. I hate the media. They only feed off of drama, they do not do any real research on the subject before they report.

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    Yeah,

    I can't believe that crap....of course 17 year old kids shouldn't be taking the stuff. Plus if he was getting that mad and emotionally unstable, I don't think the roids were the cause.

    Once again a slanted, once sided story....yeah and FOX claims they are fair and balanced.

    Plus now my BF is sending my the links to this crap and telling me I am going to DIE...wonderful.

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    Media a$$holes will say anything to sell a story, no journalistic inegrity anymore

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    FOX is just jumping on the steroid hype bandwagon. its the F-in media for ya.

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    alright guys, i'm emotionally and pshycologicaly unstable now cause of gear. excuse me while i respectfully end my life due to the prolonged depression induced by steroids .

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    The part where he was talking about raging made me smile. I love the aggression, thats a good side effect.

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    i would like to take a ****in hammer to that bald headed fat ****er who said "the ultimate result is suicide". **** the media.

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    He didnt look so big to me and he supposedly took 3 cycles in 2 years What a crock of sheeat

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    Just sent the bastards this letter:

    Hi,

    I wish you guys would present as you call it "a fair
    and balanced report" of steroid usage. First of all,
    of course no teenagers should be using steroids as
    they are still naturally growing. But grown adults
    should have the right to use them as they please. If
    you guys did your homework, you would find out that
    there are many people using steroids that do not DIE
    ...GO CRAZY...OR GET SICK. Steroids have their risks,
    the same risks that the drugs all of the doctors are
    shoving down the throats of Americans today, just to
    make money for the drug companies. If you want to
    inform yourself on safe steroid use , please visit
    Steroid.com ...it can teach you alot about these
    drugs.

    Sure many people may believe that steroids give pro
    athletes an unfair advantage, but that is something
    that each pro organization needs to police on its own.
    But If Joe Schmo in Ohio wants to use steroids to add
    some muscle mass...who is that hurting. NO ONE!
    If anyone gets hurt, its the user because they are
    misinformed about the drugs. Why is alcohol legal?
    How many people die each year from drunks crashing
    into innocent people. Let the Bush administration try
    to re-enact prohibition...how far will they get. Why
    is this stigma placed on this class of drugs? The
    answer is the unfair and uninformed media coverage
    that has portrayed steroids in a bad light for several
    years. You have succeeded in perpetrating these views
    once again.

    Next time you decide to do a special....do some
    homework. Or maybe you guys are still busy looking
    for those WMD's in Iraq.

    BR

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    just sent mine:


    Hello there, I see that you are about to run another false, drama packed special on how steroids negativley effect peoples lives. I challenge you to name any one reporter who worked on coming up with this special who acctually took the time to look at both sides of the debate, both good and bad.

    You see, In my opinion all to often is a subject matter only glanced over before you will jump on the bandwagon of opionion rather that fact. Yes it may sell more copies, but is it moral? No. But morality is not the issue here, as it is not an issue with people wishing to enhance their physique by altering hormone levels in a stable and healthy invironment. There is a much bigger issue, the truth.

    There have been studies showing that "roid rage " as you might so aptly put it, is a complete falsity, and in fact they just give you a general disposition to feel stronger emotions. your happy becomes happier, you sad becomes sadder, and you anger may very well become angrier. But ask yourself this, would you not act angry if you were not going to anyway? If you were already not predisposed in some manner to be a jerk (emotional problems, unstable living situation, ect), then you will be a jerk on steroids, and vice versa. Once again I challenge you to find any studies not done by the media (because they are so obviously biased) that show roid rage to be real.

    I will be willing to speak more if I get a reply to this email.

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    I would like to implore everyone to right them a letter thats not filled with anger. Thats not what we need to change the views of the general public.

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    Yeah I am gonna send one too. Post the link so we all can.

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    You think my letter was filled with anger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lozgod
    Yeah I am gonna send one too. Post the link so we all can.
    [email protected] (put BREAKING POINT as the subject)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiggerBri2002
    You think my letter was filled with anger?
    Hell yeah, lol. I understand it, I just think that if they decided to use a letter on Nat. TV, they are more likley to pick one with lots of upper case letters and exclamation points if you know what I mean

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiggerBri2002
    Plus now my BF is sending my the links to this crap and telling me I am going to DIE...wonderful.
    Uhhhh did you mean your GF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiggerBri2002
    You think my letter was filled with anger?
    Sorry Bri but I thought the letter was to much of a rant as well. You ended it with a comment of WMD, sort of all over the place.

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    That is so stupid. I am also going to write a letter to them. Maybe one day people will understand the truth but the way things are going in todays times. I seriously doubt it.

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    No I meant my BF....you got a problem with that????


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    Sorry my letter sucked everyone...wish I could unsend it. Oh well, I will just wait for my phone call now from FOX as they search for the crazed AS user. My point was that America has such a double standard on drugs and alcohol. Its all politics and no common sense.

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    Here is mine.

    The statements are very inaccurate in your story on steroids . You are sharing the experience of a child. This is very dangerous for a child to be using steroids.
    There are more deaths every year from Prescribed Pharmaceutical medications than street drugs, including steroids. Why don't you do stories on Doctors and pharmaceutical companies, not to mention the tobacco industry, murdering people for profit instead of persucuting a relatively safe practice. As a matter of fact in the spirit of responsible reporting why not share with the public exactly how many steroid related deaths per year for the last 10 years. I bet you find more OTC medication related deaths.


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    lozgod: I like the letter man. It makes some good points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaeltaire
    lozgod: I like the letter man. It makes some good points.
    Thanks. Anyone else that sends a letter give them permission to reprint it at the end.

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    Now I am going to KILL MYSELF...no one like my letter (LOL)

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    I'm going to write one as well. We need to come across like intelligent people rather than muscle heads defending steroids . We need to back our emails up with some proof and insight. When I send an email, I will let them know that proper doses are safe, its the kids and idiots who overdose the stuff that gives it a bad name. I will tell them I'm more calm, relaxed, happier, and I can concentrate better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lozgod
    Here is mine.

    The statements are very inaccurate in your story on steroids . You are sharing the experience of a child. This is very dangerous for a child to be using steroids.
    There are more deaths every year from Prescribed Pharmaceutical medications than street drugs, including steroids. Why don't you do stories on Doctors and pharmaceutical companies, not to mention the tobacco industry, murdering people for profit instead of persucuting a relatively safe practice. As a matter of fact in the spirit of responsible reporting why not share with the public exactly how many steroid related deaths per year for the last 10 years. I bet you find more OTC medication related deaths.


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    Exactly,

    DAWN’s Detailed Emergency Department Tables for 2002,

    Drug Name — Number of Mentions (Rank out of Top 150 drugs)

    Acetaminophen (Tylenol) — 28,720 (Ranked 8th)

    Alcohol-in-combination — 207,395 (Ranked 1st)

    Marijuana — 119,362 (Ranked 3rd)

    Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate (GHB) — 3,327 (44th)

    Aspirin — 7,494 (25th)

    Fluoxetine (Prozac) — 5,770 (29th)

    Alprazolam (Xanax) — 27,659 (9th)

    Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) — 5,430 (32nd)

    Ibuprofen (Advil) — 15,867 (14th)

    Oxycodone (OxyContin) — 14,996 (15th)

    Naproxen (Aleve) — 4,576 (35th)

    Caffeine — 1,999 (59th)

    Amoxicillin — 830 (89th)

    Codeine — 1,237 (73rd)

    Pseudoephedrine — 658 (A decongestant used in every cold/sinus formula around) (101st)

    Hydrocodone — 2,420 (51st)

    Celecoxib — 775 (93rd)

    Morphine — 2,775 (48th)

    Ephedrine — 1,033 (79th)

    Warfarin — 647 (103rd)

    Albuterol — 628 (105th)

    Prednisone — 348 (137th)

    Multivitamin with Minerals — 376 (131st)

    Herbal Products — 415 (126th)

    Metformin — 505 (116th)

    Cocaine — 199,198 (2nd)

    Heroin — 93,519 (4th)

    Androgens/Anabolic Steroids — 319 (142nd)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiggerBri2002
    Now I am going to KILL MYSELF...no one like my letter (LOL)
    Bro, I liked it. I like the fact you stood up for us and wrote a letter. I think it's inspiring us all!

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    I liked your letter man . Really the fact that a lot of people are writeing letters means a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiggerBri2002
    Now I am going to KILL MYSELF...no one like my letter (LOL)
    Whats done is done, but I don't like the idea of refering them to this site. Who knows who they will pass that info on to and draw unwanted attention, I am sure we got enough already. They could do a whole show on steroid boards now.

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    Sorry heres the full T-mag article, they are in the same boat as us:


    'Roid Rebuttal
    ESPN gets called out
    by Cy Willson

    Here at T-Nation, we don't expect much from the lay media when it comes to topics like steroids and nutritional supplements. Journalists today are much like trainers who work in large gym chains. These "trainers" are experts at selling gym memberships, not at getting their clients in shape. Well, today's reporters have sadly become more adept at selling newspapers and magazines than reporting the facts.

    In this competitive market, their goal is to excite people, to entertain them and, if necessary, to scare them. Fear sells copies, after all, and misinformation is much more titillating than the truth. Well, we're sick of it, and we're calling out some of the worst offenders.

    The latest offender is Chuck Hirshberg, author of "The Dangers of Steroids." This article was part of ESPN.com's Writers' Bloc feature. Look it over and then read Cy Willson's rebuttal below. We'll also be sending Mr. Hirshberg a copy of this article and see what he has to say, if anything.


    Poison or Medicine?

    Although performance enhancing drugs have always been part of professional sports, the media's interest in them has been cyclical. In spite of the fact that steroids and other drugs permeate high-level sport, the sporting press only gets involved when they have to, like when a few star athletes get busted or when the circumstantial evidence becomes overwhelming (read Barry Bonds.)

    If there was a way to actually get rid of all performance enhancing drug use in sports, ESPN and Sports Illustrated wouldn't have much to write about: the Olympics would get boring really fast as no records would ever get broken and attendance-boosting homerun races would be a thing of the past. The Tour De France? Just boys with tight shorts on bikes.

    Because they have to "do the right thing" and support the network agenda, these journalists must then turn around and bite the hand that feeds them. That means they must write article about steroids. This, for me, is where the problem starts.

    When it comes to topics that are debatable, such as the morality or legality of performance enhancing drug use, I couldn't care less about what these guys write about. But when it comes to the discussion of drugs and the pharmacology thereof, I have a very big problem. In short, the average sports reporter knows dick about steroids, growth hormone , and legal sports supplements. The things they put in print and say on the air make those of us who do know something about these topics groan and smack our foreheads in frustration.

    Instead of pointing out every unchecked false statement, myth, misconception, and outright lie I see daily concerning androgens, I'll focus on one recent ESPN.com piece, "The Dangers of Steroids" by Chuck Hirshberg. I'll quote or paraphrase the author, then rebut.

    Make sure you've got your cup on, Chuck.

    Hirshberg: "Creatine and steroids are completely different. Creatine is found naturally in your muscle and won’t cause you harm but steroids are poison compared to it. Steroids increase Testosterone levels and if you take enough, you’ll build muscle mass beyond the human body’s natural capabilities."

    Rebuttal: I'm sick and tired of reporters stating that the mechanism of action with anabolic steroids is increasing endogenous Testosterone production. Androgens decrease endogenous Testosterone production!

    The only androgen that would ever result in supraphysiological levels of Testosterone is Testosterone itself! Even in that case, endogenous (natural) Test production is still suppressed. It's people like Mr. Hirshberg — who have no background in any science and don't bother to check with someone who does — who continually perpetuate myths and misinformation. If the topic here was masturbation, journalist like this would still be writing about spontaneous vision loss and the epidemic of hairy palms.

    And what’s this about creatine being safe? Yes, it is safe, we've always known it's safe, but wasn’t it just a few years ago when the media was running huge stories about the supposed harmful side effects? Remember the clueless (but no doubt copy selling) articles about kidney and liver damage? As I recall, these same reporters even pulled aside a few "experts" like local high school coaches and 87-year old physicians (who haven't cracked a book or research report in 30 years) and confirmed the "dangers" of creatine with them. Yet now that it’s been accepted that creatine monohydrate is safe, the media somehow forgets about this.

    I think I remember something similar with low carbohydrate, high protein diets. Yes, that’s right, apparently these too cause kidney damage and are completely unhealthy and haven't even been shown to be efficacious. Oh that’s right, the media was again wrong, weren't they? But where were the retractions? Where were the big stories about the safety of creatine and low carb diets? What's wrong, does good news not sell as many magazines and newspapers? Hey, maybe the lay press should either do their research or (gasp!) keep their mouths closed when it comes to topics they know little about!

    The sad thing here is the general public derives most of what they know from the popular media. Not just the average Joe either; this is even true when it comes to those in the scientific community. I honestly can’t tell you how many times I’ve argued with college professors in the past. It got to the point where I just had to bite my tongue.

    I’ve had a PhD in biochemistry tell me that thyroid hormone is a steroid and then proceed to tell me that it might cause liver damage. For those who don’t know, thyroid hormone isn't a steroid hormone and doesn't cause liver damage. Anabolic steroids might, but only 17 alpha-alkylated steroids can do this and then only if misused and abused. Even then, the liver toxicity issue is blown way out of proportion. (See my Steroids for Health 2003 article for more info on that.)

    I’ve had a PhD in molecular genetics tell me all steroids can cause gynecomastia . Oh really? Corticosteroids and even cholesterol are chemically steroids. So these cause gyno too? Afraid not.

    Does this mean these people are stupid? Of course not. In fact, one of them is a top scientist working in research focusing on neurodegenerative disorders. I know firsthand they’re very intelligent, but the fact is that their research interests have nothing to do with anabolic steroids, nor have they really received any direct education on the matter. Instead they derive their information, for the most part, from the media.

    Aside from that, my own siblings (two Pharm D’s and an MD) are misinformed about anabolic steroids. Unfortunately, these are the types of people who reporters turn to, whether they be PhD’s, MD’s, or Pharm D’s. They look for those who'll support their own misinformed views. Did you know that T-Nation has been contacted many times by reporters gathering "facts" about steroids? We give them the facts too, but oddly enough, not much of what we tell them ever gets printed. Why? Do I smell an agenda?

    For once, just once, I’d like a reporter to interview a person like Shalender Bhasin, M.D., who’s the Chief of the Division of Endocrinology in the Department of Internal Medicine at Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science. Anyone who’s familiar with his research will know that he’s brought forth some of the best data in terms of androgens and their biological effects in humans. But no, the local Ears, Nose and Throat doc always gets the call and always gives the reporter the info he's looking for. For once, I’d like one of these reporters to interview someone who actually researches androgens and their effects in humans.

    I once asked a local reporter why it seemed that the media so often tries to create mass hysteria by reporting untrue or somewhat falsified stories or taking things completely out of context. His reply? "What’s the fun in reporting the truth?" Which do you think is going to draw more of the public’s attention, the boring truth or the truth with a bunch of BS thrown on top to get people panicking or at the very least intrigued? In other words, who wants to read that steroids are compounds that have legitimate medicinal uses and few side effects when used properly? Nah, that's no fun, but stories of instantaneous death, violent behavior and cancer? Now that sells magazines and boosts ratings, doesn't it?

    Back to Mr. Hirshberg. Part of his reasoning is that things like creatine are safe because they’re found "naturally" in the body. Well, if he’s using that argument, maybe someone should tell him that Testosterone is found "naturally in the body" and that it, too, must be safe. Granted, the analogues of Testosterone aren’t found naturally in the body, but regardless, his logic is a bit circular in this regard.

    As for having more muscle and less fat than a man would normally have.... oh no, we certainly don’t want that! I mean it's obvious that increasing lean body mass has so many detrimental effects like...um...well, let's see, um… heck, I can't think of any. What you do get is decreased LDL, increased HDL, decreased triglycerides in addition to decreased blood pressure, and even improved glycemic control that results from an improvement of insulin sensitivity. It may also improve your sleep and mood and you'll likely even feel more energetic. Nasty side effects, huh?

    Obviously, these changes will essentially lower your risk of developing heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, hyperlipidaemia, stroke, and even some major cancers. I'm not saying that you'll be "immune" to all metabolic diseases, but you'll have a much lower risk of developing them.

    Also, keep in mind that if you follow the normal aging pattern, you'll likely lose muscle and gain fat as you get older, thus increasing your chances of experiencing one of the above diseases or disorders. With the judicious use of androgens, we can prevent such a thing from occurring. In general, you can expect to live a longer, happier, more productive life. But that doesn't sell copies, increase TV ratings or cause people to log on to the ESPN website, does it?

    Mr. Hirshberg, I hate to break it to you, but weight training and a high protein diet also allow one to have more muscle than we normally would. Creatine monohydrate allows one to have more lean body mass than he normally would. So, please tell me where the logic is there?

    Hirshberg: "You've heard that steroid users often get shriveled testicles? That's because their pituitary glands sense the outrageous oversupply of Testosterone and signal the testes, which produce the hormone naturally, to shut down."

    Rebuttal: "Shriveled testicles" is properly referred to as testicular atrophy. He mentions that because a person’s pituitary gland senses the "outrageous oversupply of Testosterone" it then signals the testicles to shut down. That’s right people, he said the pituitary gland signals the testicles to shut down.

    Oh really? Is that so? So you mean the suppression of endogenous Testosterone isn’t actually from a lack of LH (luteinizing hormone) being secreted from the pituitary and reaching the testicles? You mean this lack of LH secretion isn’t actually caused, for the most part, by androgen and estrogen receptor agonism at the hypothalamus and pituitary? You mean, the lack of LH reaching the Leydig cells of the testicles, thereby reducing cAMP formation, therefore decreasing Testosterone formation (steroidogenesis) isn’t the cause? Wow, this is news to me! It’s so interesting that endocrinologists worldwide have it all wrong yet a reporter has it all figured out!

    Moving on, the fact is that this "shutdown" of endogenous Testosterone production is completely reversible upon cessation of anabolic steroid use . I’d like to point out that ethanol ingestion (ever drink liquor?) temporarily decreases endogenous Testosterone production too, which eventually returns upon cessation of use. With chronic abuse, ethanol causes testicular atrophy and infertility as well. So why is there no article focusing on the negative and temporary effects of ethanol ingestion? Why is there no focus on long-term ethanol abuse?

    Hirshberg fails to realize that many medications have temporary side effects that subside upon cessation of use. Acetaminophen, antibiotics and ethanol can all be considered hepatotoxic, yet don’t pose a problem unless you use large dosages for prolonged periods of time.

    Hirshberg: "…the vast majority of anabolic steroids' effects on both the brain and the body have never been studied in animals, let alone humans."

    Rebuttal: Is that so? Well, it’s unfortunate that this "foremost expert on how steroids affect the brain" you quoted (whom I’ve never heard of by the way) doesn’t know that there have been many studies performed with anabolic steroids being administered to humans. There have been even more done on animals. Maybe he needs to get out a bit more or at least check out Medline once or twice per week.

    The "expert" states that when hamsters are administered androgens, they turn ferociously aggressive (as a result of decreased serotonin levels) and long-lasting changes occur in the brain. Well, first off, there have been studies performed in humans that have demonstrated that "roid rage " is not an issue when it comes to normal human beings.

    There have been many double blind, placebo-controlled studies performed in humans, not rodents, which demonstrated that androgens do not significantly increase aggression or angry behavior in normal men. One, in fact, involved 43 normal men, ages 19 to 40 and they were given 600 mg/week of Testosterone enanthate over a ten-week period. There was no increase in angry behavior.

    By the way, 600 mg/week of Testosterone enanthate most certainly increases Testosterone levels far into the supraphysiological range. However, in those men who have preexisting psychological conditions, administering exogenous androgens could possibly, in some cases, cause an episode of angry behavior.

    More importantly, since when did we extrapolate data from one species to the next? In this case, we have data that demonstrates what occurred in the hamsters after administration of androgens isn't occurring in humans. We shouldn’t even need to present such data as any responsible scientist knows that extrapolation across species is completely inaccurate.

    Lastly, I’d like to point out that it’s when Testosterone levels are below the normal physiological range that you begin to see a decline in positive mood. So, if at any point one would become irritable and depressed, it would be after a steroid cycle, not during. Along those lines, this is something that people in the community have known for quite some time and thus is the reason why clomiphene (an estrogen antagonist) is used in order to stimulate endogenous Testosterone production after the steroid cycle has ceased.

    Hirshberg: "Lyle Alzado dying of a brain tumor is a good reason to avoid steroids."

    Rebuttal: Can you please point me to this overwhelming evidence that supports the idea that he died as a result of anabolic steroid use and not Growth Hormone use? Honestly, it’s sloppy and lazy reporting to make such a ridiculous statement. The man was using Growth Hormone and anabolic steroids. The reporters catch on to the fact that he used steroids and suddenly become experts in pharmacology and cancer cell biology and decide that anabolic steroids caused his brain tumor.

    Anyone who knows a thing about cancer cell biology will tell you that Growth Hormone is the culprit in such a case. (More info in that here.) And besides, thousands of athletes are using these drugs and thousands more have in the past. Why aren't they all falling over dead from brain tumors? If it's true that Alzado died from a condition caused by his drug use, then this single case (so often used by the press to prove how dangerous steroids are) really shows how safe these drugs can be!

    Hirshberg: "After just one week of juicing… animals turn ferociously aggressive."

    Rebuttal: Hirshberg then goes back to the idea of "roid rage" citing another "expert" who states that he’s documented a handful of crimes where the person who committed the act of violence was also using anabolic steroids.

    Well, as I explained previously, anabolic steroids haven't been shown to cause any negative behavior in normal humans. So, in the few cases where such crimes were committed, wouldn’t it be just a tad bit more responsible to state that the people who committed these crimes more than likely would have done so even if they hadn’t used anabolic steroids? "Roid rage," in this case, sounds more like an excuse fabricated by a sleazy defense attorney.

    It’s really quite ridiculous. I want people to think about how many crimes occur each year. A crime where a person who, in most cases, has no previous criminal record, snaps and attacks someone. Are we to assume that all of these people were using anabolic steroids? So, all of the various serial killers with no previous records, the teenagers who’ve committed murder in and out of schools, the DC sniper, and every other violent killer in the past were all using steroids?

    I wonder how many of these individuals were consuming caffeine in the form of soda or coffee? Maybe we should do a study on crimes and see how many murderers and wife beaters consumed caffeine on the day they committed their crimes. I bet the number would be very high. That must mean that caffeine, a proven stimulant and mind-altering drug, causes people to turn into maniacs and commit murder. Ridiculous? Sure, yet the lay public accepts this logic readily when it's applied to steroid users.

    Whatever happened to the idea that some people are born with psychological conditions or had a horrendous childhood that screwed them up permanently? Whatever happened to the idea that some people are predisposed to certain types of behavior? It sure is odd that the other people who use anabolic steroids haven’t committed any crimes. You'd expect more cases, wouldn't you?

    Hirshberg: "People are dying across America at this exact moment as a result of using steroids."

    Rebuttal: Really? That’s amazing. Well, at that rate it should easily be up there with certain forms of cancer and heart disease, right? Oh, it’s not? Hmm, well it should at least be on the DAWN (Drug Abuse Warning Network) Annual Medical Examiner Data, where they keep track of the number of deaths per year in which a medical examiner mentioned the drug as a possible cause of death? It’s not? Wow, you mean there wasn’t even one death that was attributed to anabolic steroid use? Then where, Mr. Hirshberg, did you get this info? Surely you didn't just make it up to support your personal bias? Nah, the press would never do that!

    Unlike Hirshberg, I did do some research. I was surprised to see that androgens/anabolic steroids did make the top 150 list for DAWN’s Detailed Emergency Department Tables for 2002, example of which I’ve included below. In past years I haven’t seen steroids on the list, but it’s finally made it. Usually when I include these types of tables, one or two people shoot me an e-mail explaining that this data doesn’t mean anything as the drugs compared are used so commonly that the chance for adverse reaction is much greater. In other words, if only 2,000 people use a drug, of course it will rank lower than a drug that nearly every person in the US has in his medicine cabinet.

    So, this time I’ve included drugs that are commonly used, drugs which are rarely employed, and an intermediate between the two. As expected, alcohol in combination with another drug is at the top of the list. Anabolic steroids barely squeaked in at 142. These numbers reflect the number of mentions each drug received in regard to emergency room visits:

    Drug Name — Number of Mentions (Rank out of Top 150 drugs)

    Acetaminophen (Tylenol) — 28,720 (Ranked 8th)

    Alcohol-in-combination — 207,395 (Ranked 1st)

    Marijuana — 119,362 (Ranked 3rd)

    Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate (GHB) — 3,327 (44th)

    Aspirin — 7,494 (25th)

    Fluoxetine (Prozac) — 5,770 (29th)

    Alprazolam (Xanax) — 27,659 (9th)

    Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) — 5,430 (32nd)

    Ibuprofen (Advil) — 15,867 (14th)

    Oxycodone (OxyContin) — 14,996 (15th)

    Naproxen (Aleve) — 4,576 (35th)

    Caffeine — 1,999 (59th)

    Amoxicillin — 830 (89th)

    Codeine — 1,237 (73rd)

    Pseudoephedrine — 658 (A decongestant used in every cold/sinus formula around) (101st)

    Hydrocodone — 2,420 (51st)

    Celecoxib — 775 (93rd)

    Morphine — 2,775 (48th)

    Ephedrine — 1,033 (79th)

    Warfarin — 647 (103rd)

    Albuterol — 628 (105th)

    Prednisone — 348 (137th)

    Multivitamin with Minerals — 376 (131st)

    Herbal Products — 415 (126th)

    Metformin — 505 (116th)

    Cocaine — 199,198 (2nd)

    Heroin — 93,519 (4th)

    Androgens/Anabolic Steroids — 319 (142nd)


    So, if we really want to ban substances harming "thousands of people daily," we better get rid of caffeine, Tylenol, aspirin, and freakin’ multivitamins before we worry about steroids. What's wrong, Hirshberg, don't want to give up your morning coffee or Diet Coke consumption? Come on, do it for the kids, you bad role model you.

    Speaking of kids, Hirshberg also mentions teenagers who buy steroids over the internet. He sited the ad copy of one of these places in his article. Sorry, Hirshberg, what you found was a site selling legal supplements with steroid-sounding names. Come on, these shady sites are designed to fool dumb kids and people who don't know much about supplements or drugs, but you fell for it hook, line and sinker, didn't you? Interesting. Allow us to educated you. Read this article so you won't make such embarrassing mistakes again.


    Wrap Up

    In closing, I want to touch quickly on a few things. First, I’d like everyone to realize that pharmacists and physicians receive little to no education when it comes to anabolic steroids. I can personally attest to the fact that I’ve seen no more than one page on the subject in my formal studies. On the other hand, the general public should expect this as anabolic steroids are but one small class of therapeutic drugs in what is a rather long list. Aside from that, they’re rarely employed.

    The general public often seems to think that because a person has a PhD or a Pharm D or an MD, they're automatically an expert in a given area. The fact is that in order to be truly knowledgeable about something, you need to focus on a small area you're extremely interested in and research, research, research. An example would be people in cellular biology who spend their entire lives researching things like cell adhesion molecules, chaperone proteins, elements of the cytoskeleton, and the list goes on and on.

    Basically, "expertise" is really only something applied to a very small and specific area. There are really very few people who are knowledgeable when it comes to anabolic steroids. Two things are required of these true experts: some sort of advanced formal education and a keen interest and consequently a great deal of time spent researching them. The vast majority of those in the scientific community only have the former.

    The lay press, on the other hand, labels any doctor who says steroids are bad an "expert." If the doctor agrees with the reporter's bias, he's an expert. If he disagrees, he's a kook who's conveniently left out of the article or TV segment.

    Also, I’d like to mention that anabolic steroids are not "poison" but rather drugs, which are approved by the FDA to treat several conditions. Treatment of bone pain associated with osteoporosis, anemia, reversing weight loss in patients (who are suffering from severe trauma, infection, long-term corticosteroid therapy), hereditary angioedema, breast cancer, delayed puberty, hypogonadism, just to name a few. They have also recently been looked at more closely because of the fact that hypogonadal men are at an increased risk for coronary artery disease. They may also have a role in treatment for certain forms of heart disease. (1-13)

    Feel free to ignore these facts in your future work, Mr. Hirshberg. I wouldn't want the truth to interfere with your ability to publish articles and "educate" the public.


    References Cited

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    2) O'Connor DB, Archer J, Hair WM, Wu FC. "Exogenous testosterone, aggression, and mood in eugonadal and hypogonadal men." Physiol Behav. 2002 Apr 1;75(4):557-66.

    3) Anderson RA, Bancroft J, Wu FC. "The effects of exogenous testosterone on sexuality and mood of normal men." J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1992 Dec;75(6):1503-7.

    4) Alexander GM, Swerdloff RS, Wang C, Davidson T, McDonald V, Steiner B, Hines M. "Androgen-behavior correlations in hypogonadal men and eugonadal men. I. Mood and response to auditory sexual stimuli." Horm Behav. 1997 Apr;31(2):110-9.

    5) Friedl KE, et al. "The administration of pharmacological doses of testosterone or 19-nortestosterone to normal men is not associated with increased insulin secretion or impaired glucose tolerance." J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1989 May;68(5):971-5

    6) Lean ME, et al. "Pathophysiology of obesity." Proc Nutr Soc 2000 Aug;59(3):331-6

    7) Pasanisi F, et al. "Benefits of sustained moderate weight loss in obesity." Nutr Metab Cardiovasc Dis 2001 Dec;11(6):401-6

    8) Muscelli E, et al. "Metabolic and cardiovascular assessment in moderate obesity: effect of weight loss." J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1997 Sep;82(9):2937-43

    9) Eckardstein A, Wu FC. "Testosterone and atherosclerosis." Growth Horm IGF Res. 2003 Aug;13 Suppl A:S72-84.

    10) Malkin CJ, Pugh PJ, Jones RD, Jones TH, Channer KS. "Testosterone as a protective factor against atherosclerosis—immunomodulation and influence upon plaque development and stability." J Endocrinol. 2003 Sep;178(3):373-80.

    11) Callies F, Stromer H, Schwinger RH, Bolck B, Hu K, Frantz S, Leupold A, Beer S, Allolio B, Bonz AW. "Administration of testosterone is associated with a reduced susceptibility to myocardial ischemia." Endocrinology. 2003 Oct;144(10):4478-83. Epub 2003 Jul 10.

    12) Bhasin S. "Effects of testosterone administration on fat distribution, insulin sensitivity, and atherosclerosis progression." Clin Infect Dis. 2003;37 Suppl 2:S142-9.

    13) Pugh PJ, Jones RD, Jones TH, Channer KS. "Heart failure as an inflammatory condition: potential role for androgens as immune modulators." Eur J Heart Fail. 2002 Dec;4(6):673-80.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiggerBri2002
    You think my letter was filled with anger?
    I think they'll refer to it as "roid rage ".

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    this makes me want to stab people in the face

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    My letter:

    Hello, I would like express sincere disappointment in the lack of education shown in your news story concerning steroid abuse .

    The use of anabolic steroids by adults educated in this area of advanced training is no more harmful than the occational wine drinker having a glass with dinner. Your report completely failed to mention that there are responsible ways to use anabolics and only highlighted possible complications that may or may not arrise during abuse of these substances. Use and abuse are two totaly separate things and should not be confussed, just because one person drove home drunk one night from the bar and hit someone crossing the street doesn't mean everyone who enjoys alcoholic beverages should be imprisoned does it?

    The only intelligent piece of information given in the report was that 17 year olds should not be using steroids for any reason, not because it causes instability, but because it has the potential to stop their vertical bone growth.

    Before blindely attacking a subject I suggest you learn something about it first, its clear this was not done and if I were writing for Fox I would be extremely embarassed.

    If you would like to try again please start at, www.steroid.com

    One thing is for sure your station as lost my respect and its integrity in my mind and I know this is true with many others.

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    Really,I think after i take my shot of prop in a min. I am going to go kill someone. Man, I swear people will blam anything they can for their problems!

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    why Are People Bringing Attention To This Site!!!!!!!! I Don't Know How Anyone Else Feels But I Don't Want Fox News Doing Their Next Story On Steroid Boards Putting Me Out There Like That!!!!!!!!!

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    You know the funny thing about the media? They put out ads with models with washboard abs and huge shoulders, they put out movies with vin diesel, they show previews of brad pitt in "troy" and then they say steroids are bad. How the hell is the average person with average genetics supposed to look anything like any of those people without them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lozgod
    why Are People Bringing Attention To This Site!!!!!!!! I Don't Know How Anyone Else Feels But I Don't Want Fox News Doing Their Next Story On Steroid Boards Putting Me Out There Like That!!!!!!!!!
    Next a reporter is gonna get on here, get known, make some friends and have 10 domestic sources and 100 overseas sources, they know where to come to learn about Steroids . I think giving them this link was a HORRIBLE idea.

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