Cycle Planning and help wanted

[Dj Reversal]

Whats up everyone. Attached is a pic of me ... Im 6'2 215 lbs... approx 15% body fat. My goal, 230 with approx 8% body fat. I am 22 years old.. I have been lifting since i been bout 16 on and off. Usually not taking more then a few months off at a time. Dieting has been a problem for me. I mean i eat fairly well while lifting. But as for ripping up.. its always been a problem.. And way too much work. I have peaked for a while with my gains etc. I have been on here for a while researching different ways to go and all, i am looking to start a steroid cycle for several reasons. The biggest one, to get me on a strict routine. I have never been a fan of putting foreign substances in your body, drugs, alcohol or anything.. Basically, i know once on this cycle, a strict diet will always be followed as for drinking plenty of fluids, etc.... my main question is what cycle would u think is best for my goals... As for now and what i have read, Deca / Dbol / Winstrol is the cycle im looking at... Clomid after the deca / dbol and a few week break then the winstrol, posibly stacked with clenbuterol. Couple questions. Very broad area with lots of grey room, How quickly does one see a ripped look on the 2nd half of this type of cycle.. Proper diet and workout routine.. is it really noticable, i mean i see alot of my friends on different types, not sure of dosages and etc, but they look great... as for me i am very unhappy of my body and have been for a while now. Im definitely doing a cycle and hope someone could help me out.. please check out the attached pic for a pic.


Mark

[Iron horse]

I'd say a sust/eq/winny

sust/ 500mgs week 1-10
eq 400mgs week 1-10
winny 50 ED or EOD week 5-10

I said sust because it has a bit of test in it to start you off with.

if you want you could use clen/eca but I dont think you really need to with a clean diet and good training.

[Iron horse]

sorry forgot to say take clomid 2.5 weeks after last injection OR you could take the winny from week 8-13 and start clomid 3 days after that.

keep anti-e's on hand too!

and dont start a cycle without all your gear!

good luck

[Pete235]

There may be some water with sust and it takes a while to kick in. I think Iron Horse is thinking along the right lines for what you want to accomplish, but personally I would opt for test prop @ 50-100mg/eod instead of the sust. He is spot on when he says you need and anti-estrogen and clomid.

[Gonna Be HUGE]

I agree with a test/eq/winny cycle, but I don't think you should use sust. Reason being at only 500mg/w you would be injecting 2 times a week max, which means that all the fast acting esters in sust would be completely wasted. So your effective dose has dropped to 160mg per shot (250mg Total - 30mg Prop - 60mg PhenylProp = 160mg Slow Acting esters). That times 2 becomes 320mg/w which is not really very much. You would get far better gains with 400-500mg Test Enanthate or Cypionate. I would only recommend sustanon if it were shot every other day minimum. So for doses of 750mg+/w it would be okay.

I would also extend the cycle to 12 weeks so that the EQ really has a chance to do its thing. The EQ would not be reaching its maximum potential in only 10 weeks since it doesn't even start kicking in until week 4-5. JMO

So my final recommendation is:

wks 1-12 Test Enanthate 400-500mg /w
wks 1-12 EQ 400mg/w
wks 9-15 Winny 50mg/d
start clomid 3 days after last winny dose.

Later

[Gonna Be HUGE]

Actually, I change my mind on the cycle I suggested. I would only run the test for 10 weeks since this is your first cycle. Still run the EQ for 12, and run the winny to week 14 or 15.

[poppapump58]

I would get a tan first.

[Methuselah]

Originally posted by poppapump58
I would get a tan first.

You made me f*cking choke on my water!!!!

[Dj Reversal]

Yea i am a white bitch huh ... and the flurecent lighting in my basement dont help ... o well thats another reason to get in shape is to hit the beach and tan...


Mark