Lance Armstrong

[Pop]

What is lance accused of taking?
a book says he has to hide his doping marks from syringes.

Basically, I'm looking for a way to improve my long distance running,
and time is not on my side to train naturally.

[H-Tizz]

From what i have heard on the news, people believe he may be blood doping, which I believe means putting blood into your body with lots of oxygen in it so your muscles get more oxygen and take longer to fatigue.

[map200uk]

didnt they used to do blood doping years ago? does it actually work?

[GreenOak]

Yes they use EPO and blood doping, and they both work very well by increasing your RBC. They are both very dangerous as well. Your blood thickens, and can cause heart attacks. Many young cyclers have died because of this very reason.

[Pop]

Thats' very interesting.

Is there any other way to increase the oxygen in your
body, and therefore your endurance as well?

[iNvid]

didnt they used to do blood doping years ago? does it actually work?

Yeah it works but there are a much of risks with it I believe.

[Beefbody]

What is lance accused of taking?
a book says he has to hide his doping marks from syringes.

Basically, I'm looking for a way to improve my long distance running,
and time is not on my side to train naturally.

Use EPO if you havnt heard of it, it increases red blood cells to carry more oxygen to muscles. but if you dont use it wisly your blood will turn to jelly and you will die!!... I have been looking into EPO for awhile trying to dig up info on how to use but i cant seem to find a hell of alote thats worth shiit. I have even tried on hear multiple times and know body knows anything about it on how its used for sure so therefore i do not use mine but if i find anything i will PM you or if you find anything let me know that would be great..

[cpt steele]

Thats' very interesting.

Is there any other way to increase the oxygen in your
body, and therefore your endurance as well?

Train in very high altitude.

[NewBreed]

Sorry,but endurance training is the most time-intense training you will ever find and there´s only very little you can do about getting better endurance despite of endurance training and recovery,over years and years and years,in fact there´s hardly any steroid for your purpose.

All you can do,is to speed up recovery a bit but it´s difficult with steroids ,´cause a little too much and you´re done with long time endurance.

Altering your RBC will also do little,if you don´t train well,´cause there is more to oxygene absorption than RBC-see,BB on a heavy steroidcycle with >700mg AAS/week will have a very high RBC and they´re usually no endurance specialists.(although they´re having a good stamina)

A high RBC will not give you the mental edge you´d need for long distance,so improving your endurance through RBC doesn´t work well,usually,but it might improve your time in the limits you were training in.

Try some natural supplements,they work best if you have no time to experiment and no one who supervises you,so you won´t have to deal with serious sides and negative impacts on your endurance.

[Pop]

There is good info on that website on epo.

I don't think there is high alttitude to train in my location.
i just read 1 guy rents a tent for $500 a month to simulate
high altitude.

[Mighty Joe]

I know Lance has done Chemotherapy! Naw, it couldn't be that!

MJ

[nsa]

The guy beat cancer... He can win a race a few times alot easier than beating cancer.

[Mealticket]

Use EPO if you havnt heard of it, it increases red blood cells to carry more oxygen to muscles. but if you dont use it wisly your blood will turn to jelly and you will die!!... I have been looking into EPO for awhile trying to dig up info on how to use but i cant seem to find a hell of alote thats worth shiit. I have even tried on hear multiple times and know body knows anything about it on how its used for sure so therefore i do not use mine but if i find anything i will PM you or if you find anything let me know that would be great..

I told you i'd help you out and asked you a bunch of questions about your product. I think you're mad cause i told you it was more than likely bunk!

[Mealticket]

Yes they use EPO and blood doping, and they both work very well by increasing your RBC. They are both very dangerous as well. Your blood thickens, and can cause heart attacks. Many young cyclers have died because of this very reason.

Name one? Not one professional or pro-amateur cyclist's death has been attributed to the use of EPO. Quit listening to the fuking media

[nobbythedonkey]

Train in very high altitude.

use fartlek training method, sprint as fast as you can for 30 seconds to a minute then job for equal time length and repeat best way i found

[millionmillionaires]

Do you concentrate heavily on proper breathing methods? If you don't concentrate on the basics, what's the point of fine-tuning? Go swimming... hardest workout (respiration wise) I ever had was during my swimteam days.

[Pop]

i need to learn proper breathing methods I guess.
when i was younger i took this for granted.

since ill never get epo or learn how to blood dope in 2 weeks,
maybe ill try some supps to boost rbc. im definitely runnig
out of h20 too fast.

[fabry]

The guy beat cancer... He can win a race a few times alot easier than beating cancer.

he beat cancer WITH drugs! he wouldnt be able to win even 1 of those races WITHOUT tons of gear!!!

[BUYLONGTERM]

he beat cancer WITH drugs! he wouldnt be able to win even 1 of those races WITHOUT tons of gear!!!

Bull****!!!!! The foreign press has been trying for years to debunk what he has done. I've read his books. I've followed his career. I truly believe he is drug free. Anyone who beats the worst stages of cancers in his nuts, lungs and brains, in my mind is so mentally tough, he can do anything. The guy is a specimen and works his ass off..

[hung-solo]

Bull****!!!!! The foreign press has been trying for years to debunk what he has done. I've read his books. I've followed his career. I truly believe he is drug free. Anyone who beats the worst stages of cancers in his nuts, lungs and brains, in my mind is so mentally tough, he can do anything. The guy is a specimen and works his ass off..

i agree totally! i wish i had a 1/4 of his dedication

[fabry]

Bull****!!!!! The foreign press has been trying for years to debunk what he has done. I've read his books. I've followed his career. I truly believe he is drug free. Anyone who beats the worst stages of cancers in his nuts, lungs and brains, in my mind is so mentally tough, he can do anything. The guy is a specimen and works his ass off..

he beat cancer with chemioterapy and this are the drugs i was referring, right? i hope u are not going to say he beat cancer with his head!!!!
the tons of drugs im talkin about winnin races are drugs that ALL the pro MUST take if they want to be PRO's!
any other story (dedication, mental attitude, etc etc) sounds to me like those big guys that win mr olympia or othe major contest adn then write articles about white eggs, chicken breast, creatine and protein shakes!
u read his book, u followed his career... but unless u are his doctor, he wont tell ANYBODY about what he really takes (and wont write a book on this).
this is what i think and im not going to change idea coz there is a book about it!

[nsa]

Fabry, you are really incorrect. He did beat cancer with drugs, but its still alot harder than a bike race. He hasn't tested positive for anything. The foreign press is just trying to make lance and america look bad...

[fabry]

all pro's, according to people ii know that deal with this stuff, take some or huge drugs to go faster.
he is a great man. im not here to say something else.
all pros are big strong man, some are special other not: pantani was, armstrong is...
pantani was drug free till they decided it was the time to stop it coz of hidden interest in other teams!
same could happen to your idol!
nothing to do with america or americans...

[nsa]

He's not my idol, but it does have alot to do with america. The foreign press sees him as a symbol of america and they are trying to take him down because of that.

[BUYLONGTERM]

he beat cancer with chemioterapy and this are the drugs i was referring, right? i hope u are not going to say he beat cancer with his head!!!!
the tons of drugs im talkin about winnin races are drugs that ALL the pro MUST take if they want to be PRO's!
any other story (dedication, mental attitude, etc etc) sounds to me like those big guys that win mr olympia or othe major contest adn then write articles about white eggs, chicken breast, creatine and protein shakes!
u read his book, u followed his career... but unless u are his doctor, he wont tell ANYBODY about what he really takes (and wont write a book on this).
this is what i think and im not going to change idea coz there is a book about it!

Of course I'm not saying he beat his cancer without the use of CHEMO. But if you don't think one has to be mentally tough to over come cancer (stage 5 cancer), you are mistaken. Ask any cancer survivor and mental toughness plays a HUGE role in recovery. And lets not compare him to guys who are dong roids to be Mr. Olympia. That is absurd. But, he has been tested (very random testing) year after year after year and until he gets tests positive, Then you have nothing to backup your argument with

[BUYLONGTERM]

Fabry, you are really incorrect. He did beat cancer with drugs, but its still alot harder than a bike race. He hasn't tested positive for anything. The foreign press is just trying to make lance and america look bad...

Exactly. They have been doing that for years.

[fabry]

well, maybe in other country but not in italy!
he is considered a great champion here too and nobody talks in a bad way about him.
that is why my comment shouldn sound an attack to you or your country!
when they found out pantani was takin epo we continued to beliece he was a champion and didnt say it was an attack from foreing press... sorry

[fabry]

Of course I'm not saying he beat his cancer without the use of CHEMO. But if you don't think one has to be mentally tough to over come cancer (stage 5 cancer), you are mistaken. Ask any cancer survivor and mental toughness plays a HUGE role in recovery. And lets not compare him to guys who are dong roids to be Mr. Olympia. That is absurd. But, he has been tested (very random testing) year after year after year and until he gets tests positive, Then you have nothing to backup your argument with

all the pros here in italy are tested random! and theyre not positive!
u know why' coz after few years the police find out that there was an accord between the bike federation and the teams and the doping authorities!
i have lots of argument to discuss.
unless this only happen in italy, but i dont think so, i continue to believe armstrong is GREAT CHAMPION, A SPECIAL MAN, A MUCH BETTER/STRONGER HEAD THAN OTHER BIG CHAMPION...BUT...
imo he uses DRUGs to win races!

[BUYLONGTERM]

all the pros here in italy are tested random! and theyre not positive!
u know why' coz after few years the police find out that there was an accord between the bike federation and the teams and the doping authorities!
i have lots of argument to discuss.
unless this only happen in italy, but i dont think so, i continue to believe armstrong is GREAT CHAMPION, A SPECIAL MAN, A MUCH BETTER/STRONGER HEAD THAN OTHER BIG CHAMPION...BUT...
imo he uses DRUGs to win races!

Bro, I totally respect your opinion. Just because we have a different opinion, doesn't mean I don't respect you. I also didn't take your comments as being negative towards America.


Peace,

BLT

[fabry]

Bro, I totally respect your opinion. Just because we have a different opinion, doesn't mean I don't respect you. I also didn't take your comments as being negative towards America.


Peace,

BLT

i respect your opinion too... and if u respect mine, everythin is perfect!
i tell u more, id like to loose this "game" and find out personally that is drug free champion!

cheers

[Ammar]

I was just watching ESPN and they said Lance Armstrong is the most frequently tested professional athlete in the world. You would think they would have found something by now if he was doping...

Get off his nuts He is the man

[BUYLONGTERM]

I was just watching ESPN and they said Lance Armstrong is the most frequently tested professional athlete in the world. You would think they would have found something by now if he was doping...

Get off his nuts He is the man

Very very good point!!!!

[Beefbody]

I think you're mad cause i told you it was more than likely bunk![/QUOTE]


WT

[nsa]

I don't think anyone thought that talking bad about lance was an attack on america, because its not.

[skinjob]

hmm.

1. EPO and blood doping (taking out around a pint for 2 weeks, freezing and replacing it once the body has recouped the lost pint) and steroid / drug use are RIFE in cycling.

2. Anyone cycling at a high level in the modern sport will be heavily scheduled on cycles of all sorts of drugs. That is why teams have 'doctors' as distinct from the 'masseurs' and the team physician.

At 17 i was a critirium rider (a domestique for a small, luckless belgian team) and i was offered a range of 'supplements' aka DRUGS That was at amateur level where there is little or NO money involved.

Anyone who has done any serious road racing, track or time trialling will have NO illusions about the importance of drugs at an amateur level, never mind the pros.

To clarify about Armstrong. A truly great cyclist but not the mettle of Hinault or Mercx. Why? because he trains specifically for one race instead of crushing all and sundry, Mercx style. Mercx would lead from the front, team or no team. and then of course he would batter everone in the classics too! This new style of champion + team was largely pioneered by another American, Greg Lemond (who incidentally also had a miraculous near-death comeback). My heros, Stephen Roche, Sean Kelly (Ireland), Robert Millar (Scotland), Gert-Jan Theunisse (Holland) and Francesco Moser (Italy and Greg Lemond (USA) ALL tested + for all sorts of druggy ****e in thier careers. I read about these positives for years, denying they could be true. surely the angelic and rather catholic Roche couldnt be off his tits on gear? Hinault discussed steroids and other methods in his book 'Road Racing' in great detail. The scales eventually fell from my eyes.

Its also naive in the extreme to think that Armstrong is a victim of some rabid 'foreign' press. I think i smell someone suffering from some sort of perverse marxism!

If you look in the cycling papers across Europe you will see that Armstrong is held in GREAT respect across the board. Just because one or two journos are curious about the allegations in recently published book does not mean they are on anti-armstrong crusade. No, it was a book that made the claims and it was this book that US Postal team took legal action against. The team were unable to prove that Armstrong had not and did not use performance enhancing drugs. Armstrongs own team drew attention to the allegations by demanding that an insert be printed for the book stating that Armstrong has not and never has taken drugs. What dicks!


Needless to say, Aemstrong has not been excluded from the Tour de France this year. A Scot, by the name of Millar has been arrested by police, interoggated and banned from the tour along with (i believe) some of his french Cofidis team mates. I see no press discrimination in that!

Hit google with "drugs tour de france" and you will get 213,000 hits ! Anyone who has any real sense of how hard cycle racing actually is will understand that drug use is inevitable, particularly in a sport where races are in stages and recovery not just the endurance of the athlete are the paramount concerns.

In the end, my rant is charged by the fact that my father and i were active in cycle racing for many years and it is a subject very dear to me. Initially i was disillusioned when i discovered how drugs was right thru the sport, but nowadays, i am still able to find the deepest respect for cyclists of the calibre of Armstrong, Lemond, Roche and others. In the end, they may be druggy fckers but the wheels dont turn by themselves!

Allez!

[Ammar]

Cycling definitely is a sport, the endurance those guys have is ridiculious. It is sorta like soccer in a way because people look at soccer players as sissies but those guys have amazing endurance also. I have much respect for cyclists/soccer players and any other endurance style athletes. I mean the sports do lack physical contact which almost ALL americans love to watch but they still are tough to participate in.

Great post BTW skinjob.

[BUYLONGTERM]

Cycling definitely is a sport, the endurance those guys have is ridiculious. It is sorta like soccer in a way because people look at soccer players as sissies but those guys have amazing endurance also. I have much respect for cyclists/soccer players and any other endurance style athletes. I mean the sports do lack physical contact which almost ALL americans love to watch but they still are tough to participate in.

Great post BTW skinjob.

Cycling absolutely is a sport!!! Anyone questioning or denying that fact is simple ignorant. I can't even begin to stress what it takes. It's grueling!!!!

[Ichi the Killer]

Didnt he lose either one of both his nuts? If so, wouldent he be doing some sort of HRT?

[nsa]

Good point...

[Mealticket]

David Millar openly admitted to using EPO...What a jackazz. Team Cofidis has been under investigation since the beginning of the year, but he continued to use. Not too smart.

You say........"Anyone who has done any serious road racing, track or time trialling will have NO illusions about the importance of drugs at an amateur level, never mind the pros."...........I've never used and have national results. You don't need drugs in all aspects. It's pusssy's like you who call out others because you can't do what we can. www.cyclingnews.com. I'm on there w/ results and have never used any EPO or other Chit!!

You can't even compare the level of cycling now to win Mercx was winning tours. Not to mention testing wasn't even required of stage and tour winners back in that time. You want to know what happens when you try to win more than 1 grand tour nowadays. You get fuking OWNED.

Where the fuk is Simoni right now? Where is Cunego. Mayo got his Azz owned by 4 minutes on stage 3. He got owned today in the TTT. They're all not factors because they went for glory in the Giro. Where is Fasso Bortallo? "The fastest man on wheels" hasn't won CHIT since the giro. He's burnt out. Pettachi ain't got nothing left for the tour. BECAUSE you have to specialize for the tours. You can't run them all and expect to take home the pink jersey in June and the Yellow in July. It ain't ever going to happen Where's Ullrich, Hamilton, Herras, and Armstrong?

@ the front of the GC, because that's what it takes to win a grand tour now. You have to specialize in order to win just one. You probablly weren't even on a pro level 1 team. Take your bag full of excuses and go home.
Don't be pissed because the USA is taken over your precious European sport!!!


Oh YEAH!!!!!! Armstrong was tested more than 60 times last year.......random tests........which don't include the everydfay tests @ the Tour. He is the most studied, researched, and tested athlete in the world. The man was world champion 10 years ago......before cancer.....He's owned the maximum VO2 @ usa's Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs for over 10 years now. No one in the past decade has tested for a higher VO2 max. Guess he was on drugs then too.
Do you want some cheese?

hmm.

1. EPO and blood doping (taking out around a pint for 2 weeks, freezing and replacing it once the body has recouped the lost pint) and steroid / drug use are RIFE in cycling.

2. Anyone cycling at a high level in the modern sport will be heavily scheduled on cycles of all sorts of drugs. That is why teams have 'doctors' as distinct from the 'masseurs' and the team physician.

At 17 i was a critirium rider (a domestique for a small, luckless belgian team) and i was offered a range of 'supplements' aka DRUGS That was at amateur level where there is little or NO money involved.

Anyone who has done any serious road racing, track or time trialling will have NO illusions about the importance of drugs at an amateur level, never mind the pros.

To clarify about Armstrong. A truly great cyclist but not the mettle of Hinault or Mercx. Why? because he trains specifically for one race instead of crushing all and sundry, Mercx style. Mercx would lead from the front, team or no team. and then of course he would batter everone in the classics too! This new style of champion + team was largely pioneered by another American, Greg Lemond (who incidentally also had a miraculous near-death comeback). My heros, Stephen Roche, Sean Kelly (Ireland), Robert Millar (Scotland), Gert-Jan Theunisse (Holland) and Francesco Moser (Italy and Greg Lemond (USA) ALL tested + for all sorts of druggy ****e in thier careers. I read about these positives for years, denying they could be true. surely the angelic and rather catholic Roche couldnt be off his tits on gear? Hinault discussed steroids and other methods in his book 'Road Racing' in great detail. The scales eventually fell from my eyes.

Its also naive in the extreme to think that Armstrong is a victim of some rabid 'foreign' press. I think i smell someone suffering from some sort of perverse marxism!

If you look in the cycling papers across Europe you will see that Armstrong is held in GREAT respect across the board. Just because one or two journos are curious about the allegations in recently published book does not mean they are on anti-armstrong crusade. No, it was a book that made the claims and it was this book that US Postal team took legal action against. The team were unable to prove that Armstrong had not and did not use performance enhancing drugs. Armstrongs own team drew attention to the allegations by demanding that an insert be printed for the book stating that Armstrong has not and never has taken drugs. What dicks!


Needless to say, Aemstrong has not been excluded from the Tour de France this year. A Scot, by the name of Millar has been arrested by police, interoggated and banned from the tour along with (i believe) some of his french Cofidis team mates. I see no press discrimination in that!

Hit google with "drugs tour de france" and you will get 213,000 hits ! Anyone who has any real sense of how hard cycle racing actually is will understand that drug use is inevitable, particularly in a sport where races are in stages and recovery not just the endurance of the athlete are the paramount concerns.

In the end, my rant is charged by the fact that my father and i were active in cycle racing for many years and it is a subject very dear to me. Initially i was disillusioned when i discovered how drugs was right thru the sport, but nowadays, i am still able to find the deepest respect for cyclists of the calibre of Armstrong, Lemond, Roche and others. In the end, they may be druggy fckers but the wheels dont turn by themselves!

Allez!