low dose

**dynamike** · 07-14-2004, 10:48 AM

started a low dose cycle of Russian D...10 mg a day...first week.done..3lbs
thinking of bumping to 20 mg..and staying at that for 8 weeks...any thoughts on a low dose..dbol cycle?...thanks

**kronik** · 07-14-2004, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by dynamike

started a low dose cycle of Russian D...10 mg a day...first week.done..3lbs
thinking of bumping to 20 mg..and staying at that for 8 weeks...any thoughts on a low dose..dbol cycle?...thanks

Here we go a DBOL cycle only again...Not a good idea, you will nedd some test in there.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-14-2004, 10:55 AM

definitely need test, and 10mg is not enough. you need to do some research.

**dynamike** · 07-14-2004, 10:56 AM

figured id get bashed ... I got sust 250...holding off on it for the next round

**kronik** · 07-14-2004, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

definitely need test, and 10mg is not enough. you need to do some research.

You handled that very well, I must say...

**dynamike** · 07-14-2004, 11:00 AM

hmmm....asking questions is part of doing research...imo...

**map200uk** · 07-14-2004, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by dynamike

hmmm....asking questions is part of doing research...imo...

true,
but when the questions being asked have been answered 1000 times previously it makes sense to search and find the previous answers which will relate to what u need and ask members to help with other issues

anyway dbol alone isnt a good idea, and 10mg is too low, effective dose is between 25-50mg ed

**kronik** · 07-14-2004, 11:02 AM

Its just that lately there have been a ton of dbol only cycles posted here. The archives are full on info and can answer all your questions...

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-14-2004, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by kronik

You handled that very well, I must say...

I took a few deep breathes before answering....

**dynamike** · 07-14-2004, 11:05 AM

Well thanks..and I took the breaths too...and redited my responses....no need for further responses fellas

**hung-solo** · 07-14-2004, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

I took a few deep breathes before answering....

LOL! i was wondering that myself!.. also map has a **** good point and i couldnt put it better myself..

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-14-2004, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by dynamike

figured id get bashed ... I got sust 250...holding off on it for the next round

No bashing bro, we are here to help. But a couple of things your really need to keep in mind about DBOL

1. DBOL only cycles are a waste (IMO) because most of the gains you get you will lose
2. DBOL is used to jumpstart a real cycle. (meaning most long lasting ester "steroids " take about 4 weeks to kick in)
3. DBOL should be run at a CONSISTENT dose of around 25/30mg ED.
4. Do not taper your doses. You want to keep your blood levels stable
5. If your not ready for injectables, your not ready for steroids
6. NO CYCLE is complete without some form of TEST
7. Never run DBOL for more than 4 weeks. It's liver Toxic.

**kronik** · 07-14-2004, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

No bashing bro, we are here to help. But a couple of things your really need to keep in mind about DBOL

1. DBOL only cycles are a waste (IMO) because most of the gains you get you will lose
2. DBOL is used to jumpstart a real cycle. (meaning most long lasting ester "steroids " take about 4 weeks to kick in)
3. DBOL should be run at a CONSISTENT dose of around 25/30mg ED.
4. Do not taper your doses. You want to keep your blood levels stable
5. If your not ready for injectables, your not ready for steroids
6. NO CYCLE is complete without some form of TEST
7. Never run DBOL for more than 4 weeks. It's liver Toxic.

Well said...

**dynamike** · 07-14-2004, 11:22 AM

ok a little history is appropriate...and i realise i am not unique or special here...back in 85...86...87...88...i was cycling...started out witha d cycle......forgive me for bein old skool...then bumbed it up to close to 100mg a day of d...and 50 cc of test cyp a week..three shots a week...anavar cycles with oral sublingual enanthate ...50 mgs a day...and the final cycle being ust 250 with 2 anadrol a day....Im not a kid now..and have a propensity for overdoing it in the past...I am not intimidated by injectibles...just wnat to go about this round in a responsible manner...beleive if I could of gotten my hands on some oral anaver...id run that for the 12 weeks and slide some enanthate in there...not the case right now..Im in a jump start pahase..and took the plunge..its been 18 years...last week decided to get it going...i appreciate your words long term...thanks

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-14-2004, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by dynamike

ok a little history is appropriate...and i realise i am not unique or special here...back in 85...86...87...88...i was cycling...started out witha d cycle......forgive me for bein old skool...then bumbed it up to close to 100mg a day of d...and 50 cc of test cyp a week..three shots a week...anavar cycles with oral sublingual enanthate...50 mgs a day...and the final cycle being ust 250 with 2 anadrol a day....Im not a kid now..and have a propensity for overdoing it in the past...I am not intimidated by injectibles...just wnat to go about this round in a responsible manner...beleive if I could of gotten my hands on some oral anaver...id run that for the 12 weeks and slide some enanthate in there...not the case right now..Im in a jump start pahase..and took the plunge..its been 18 years...last week decided to get it going...i appreciate your words long term...thanks

No problem bro, We are here to help. I honestly think if you want to do this in a responsible manner, than I wouldn't do DBOL alone. I would take everything you've done in the past, throw it all out the window, and start all over. A lot of things have change since then. If I were you, I'd start with a DBOL/TEST cycle.

Week 1-4 DBOL 25/30mg ED
Week 1-12 TEST Cyp/Enan 500mg
Ldex - .25mg ED
Nolva - 10mg ED
PCT - CLOMID

**Krunchtime** · 07-14-2004, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

No bashing bro, we are here to help. But a couple of things your really need to keep in mind about DBOL

1. DBOL only cycles are a waste (IMO) because most of the gains you get you will lose
2. DBOL is used to jumpstart a real cycle. (meaning most long lasting ester "steroids " take about 4 weeks to kick in)
3. DBOL should be run at a CONSISTENT dose of around 25/30mg ED.
4. Do not taper your doses. You want to keep your blood levels stable
5. If your not ready for injectables, your not ready for steroids
6. NO CYCLE is complete without some form of TEST
7. Never run DBOL for more than 4 weeks. It's liver Toxic.

you need to make a thread called dbol only cycles and copy and paste this there.. and then we will all vote to make it sticky. Good post blt.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-14-2004, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Krunchtime

you need to make a thread called dbol only cycles and copy and paste this there.. and then we will all vote to make it sticky. Good post blt.

Thanks bro!!!

**dynamike** · 07-14-2004, 11:35 AM

yeah ...thanks...we /I used to blow up like a baloon...gain 30 lbs in 8 weeks...then loose 15.....up down up down...was always a drag gettin off cause you knew you where going to start shrinking fast?...Ldex, and Nolva are injectibles you can mix in the test shot im guessin?...and clomid?..should I ask for a quick answer?...thanks again longterm...

**Krunchtime** · 07-14-2004, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by dynamike

yeah ...thanks...we /I used to blow up like a baloon...gain 30 lbs in 8 weeks...then loose 15.....up down up down...was always a drag gettin off cause you knew you where going to start shrinking fast?...Ldex, and Nolva are injectibles you can mix in the test shot im guessin?...and clomid?..should I ask for a quick answer?...thanks again longterm...

Ldex and nolva are to be taken orally. Injecting them could be very bad.

**dynamike** · 07-14-2004, 11:49 AM

right on Krunch...working on Ldex and nolva now......and im brushed up on the clomid..thanks to the educational threads thanks..thanks all for your patience with this stubborn old guy here...lol

**Krunchtime** · 07-14-2004, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by dynamike

right on Krunch...working on Ldex and nolva now......and im brushed up on the clomid..thanks to the educational threads thanks..thanks all for your patience with this stubborn old guy here...lol

thats what were here for. Good luck with your next cycle bro.

**fabry** · 07-14-2004, 11:50 AM

if he wants to try a low dose dbol (20mg ed) , well i see no prob!
i see "probs" if he doesnt add some test in it!
do u want to run a low dose cycle?
try:
1-4 dbol 20mg
1-10 test 250mg e4d (or even e5d)

**kronik** · 07-14-2004, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Krunchtime

Ldex and nolva are to be taken orally. Injecting them could be very bad.

They are suspended in everclear(I think)...It might burn just a little...

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-14-2004, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Krunchtime

Ldex and nolva are to be taken orally. Injecting them could be very bad.

Correct!

**kronik** · 07-14-2004, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

No problem bro, We are here to help. I honestly think if you want to do this in a responsible manner, than I wouldn't do DBOL alone. I would take everything you've done in the past, throw it all out the window, and start all over. A lot of things have change since then. If I were you, I'd start with a DBOL/TEST cycle.

Week 1-4 DBOL 25/30mg ED
Week 1-12 TEST Cyp/Enan 500mg
Ldex - .25mg ED
Nolva - 10mg ED
PCT - CLOMID

Already suggested...

**dynamike** · 07-14-2004, 11:54 AM

well the fun part is this..18 years without it..starting out at 220 lbs @ 6' ..with 14% bf....gonna soak it up like a sponge..

**WildOne** · 07-14-2004, 12:16 PM

I came across this thread a few days ago. It's probably good reading for your situation.
There ARE some varying ideas on D-bol cycles....

Oral Only Cycle (DBol) - An Experiment and some Results

**dynamike** · 07-14-2004, 12:34 PM

its a great post...and along the lines I was thinking...good to have a free form discussion board like this...back in the day..there was nothing ...

**dynamike** · 07-16-2004, 06:57 PM

so just to keep u guys posted ..as if u care..haha...I bumped it up to 20 mg the second week here...gonna go up to 25 mg...6 weekds in all...do clomid right after...IM calling it my welcome back cycle...9 days 5 lbs..not to puffy at all..blow up working put though..which is good ..hard to move the arms after the blow up..fell like there gonna burst!!!!..Funnyy I feel a liittle guilty about doing them again..had a lot of pride in the fac that I hadnt in so long...but ahh wt*..why not...

**dynamike** · 07-28-2004, 02:55 PM

So to keep a few of you who responded posted...I bumped up the oral d to 30mg...and will run that for another 4 weeks...I have 10ml of Sust 250..set up to shoot..and **** if I couldn't do it yesterday...its been a long time..thought It'd be no problem...see if I cant get past it...

I am running into another prob as well...small muscle tears..first my pec...only when benching(so no benching )
then last Mon(my leg day)..the quad went..same way...tear(small..then knots up...)...im not really pushing more weight than prior to starting the d's...not sure whats going on..I stretch..warm up....real frustrating...considering shutting sdown the cycle if its dbol realted somehow?..any ideas or thoughts?...