Rookie!! 7 days away from starting first cycle!

**Phunkophonic** · 07-19-2004, 02:50 PM

Alright! Ive done the research, Ive read my ass off Ive been on this board
for a week all day and all night with my lovely wife by my side non stop!!! We'vd searched, We'vd learned, and shes the best!! very supportive!!
She did a cycle of anavar with great results!
So here it goes! If anyone could take the time I would love to hear any suggestions ALL INPUT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!
Im 39, 5'11', 208 lbs Im muscular build been workin out for a year.
I have one bottle of Win and two bottles of Cyp
Ive also been out of the gym for one week one day
I consume between 2,500 and 3,500 of cal a day 300 of it being protein 6
to 7 small meals a day 2/3hrs apart -Oatmeal-Cornmeal- Yams- apples Carb countdown milk.
Lots of chicken boiled/grilled. Eggs and sirloin, I hate fish.

Yet Im hispanic go figure. The supplements I take are IDS Whey Protein/Bioplex Simply Egg Whites and a MICCELEAN protein before I go to bed. Flak seed oil thru out the day, and a multi vitamin in the mornin. I mix 5grms of glutamine with every shake 3 times a day no creatine cuz it messes my guts up. Id like to be in perfect order with my cycle as far as how much TO TAKE when TO TAKE what to use for my liver. HCG / PCT etc... SHOULD I START THE TEST BEFORE OR AFTER THE WINNY? OR VISA VERSA? OR SHOULD I START THEM TOGETHER? SHOULD I STACK IT? Ive gone to all the educational threads, Ive been reading about roids for a year now, contemplating wether or not I should do it. well Im good to go, just want to do things right.
Again anyone taking the time to respond to this rookie is a valued Friend/Brother Peace

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-19-2004, 02:56 PM

Bro, no flame, but if you've done hours and hours of research, you wouldn't be asking these type of questions!!!!

You should be doing a Test only cycle.

Week 1-10/12 Test Enan
Nolva 10mg ED
L dex .25mg ED
PCT - 2 weeks after last test injection (clomid)

**Diesel** · 07-19-2004, 02:56 PM

1-10 Cyp 500mg/wk
7-12 Winny 50mg/ed
Start PCT three days after last Winny dose.

Liver Protection: Milk Thistle and ALA.

D

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-19-2004, 02:58 PM

Winstrol is hard on the joints..I would start taking Glucosamine 1 month before starting Winstrol...Remember Winny needs to be taken ED.

**Diesel** · 07-19-2004, 02:58 PM

BTW, I feel someone should be training for a minimum of two years prior to using AS. However, I gave you my .02 simply because you are 39 and should be able to make your own decisions.

D

**Phunkophonic** · 07-19-2004, 02:59 PM

No Flame But If Anyone Knows Of Hours And Hours Of Research They Also Know That Everywhere You Turn Theres Different Info Available.
By The Way Thanks For The Input Brother Peace

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-19-2004, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Phunkophonic

No Flame But If Anyone Knows Of Hours And Hours Of Research They Also Know That Everywhere You Turn Theres Different Info Available.
By The Way Thanks For The Input Brother Peace

I hope I didn't sound like an ass. I'm always here to help! I just want you to make sure you go into this with all the knowledge in the world bro!!!!

You need anything from me, Please feel free to PM me.

Best of luck!!!!

BLT

**kronik** · 07-19-2004, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel

1-10 Cyp 500mg/wk
7-12 Winny 50mg/ed
Start PCT three days after last Winny dose.

Liver Protection: Milk Thistle and ALA.

D

Diesel gave you the perfect cycle..and you will not need the HCG for this short of a cycle.

**Phunkophonic** · 07-19-2004, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Winstrol is hard on the joints..I would start taking Glucosamine 1 month before starting Winstrol...Remember Winny needs to be taken ED.

What would be another alternative for the glucosamine?? Deca ?
By the way what's ED?

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-19-2004, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Phunkophonic

What would be another alternative for the glucosamine?? Deca ?
By the way what's ED?

ED=Every day. You could do Deca at a low dose of 100/200mg, but Glucosamine is over the counter and it does work....

**kronik** · 07-19-2004, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Phunkophonic

What would be another alternative for the glucosamine?? Deca ?
By the way what's ED?

ED=everyday, and no dont use the deca just to lube joints, use the glucosamine or go get a prescription for bextra IMO...www.bextra.com

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-19-2004, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by kronik

ED=everyday, and no dont use the deca just to lube joints, use the glucosamine or go get a prescription for bextra IMO...www.bextra.com

I got some samples of Bextra from Dr. and It works....

**kronik** · 07-19-2004, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

I got some samples of Bextra from Dr. and It works....

they are great...

**Phunkophonic** · 07-19-2004, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

I hope I didn't sound like an ass. I'm always here to help! I just want you to make sure you go into this with all the knowledge in the world bro!!!!

You need anything from me, Please feel free to PM me.

Best of luck!!!!

BLT

Thanks Man Will Do

**Diesel** · 07-19-2004, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

I got some samples of Bextra from Dr. and It works....

How long before you feel the effects of it?

D

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-19-2004, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel

How long before you feel the effects of it?

D

For me it took a couple of weeks to feel relief. My GF father is a spine surgeon so I now have a ton of Celebrex I'm taking. I believe they both do the same thing. I'm trying to get rid of some shoulder pain so i'm hoping it will help. I think the Bextra helped me better.

**Phunkophonic** · 07-19-2004, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel

How long before you feel the effects of it?

D

Hey Man Thanx will follow thru with the prescription!

**Diesel** · 07-19-2004, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

For me it took a couple of weeks to feel relief. My GF father is a spine surgeon so I have a ton of Celebrex I'm taking now. I believe they both do the same thing. I'm trying to get rid of some shoulder pain so i'm hoping it will help.

BLT keep me posted on the shoulder. I've had one of my knees scoped twice and the Gluco. isn't working as well as it use to.

D

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-19-2004, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel

BLT keep me posted on the shoulder. I've had one of my knees scoped twice and the Gluco. isn't working as well as it use to.

D

Definitely will!!!!!

**daos** · 07-19-2004, 05:56 PM

yeah, if this was your first cycle, then i would stick to test only. if you wanted to add another AS, then deca or EQ would be preferrable. i always stick with deca since my doc prescribes it and not EQ.

i would run 500mg of test cyp E4D, and deca at 400mg e4d. load it in the same syringe and go to town.

thats really good that your wife is supporting you. my wife does the same, and matter fact she is doing a clen /ECA cycle as we speak. your wife is gonna love your libido once you get to about week 3-4 of your cycle. my wife has a new name for me..."The Bull"

good luck with your cycle bro. sounds like you have a good diet and your training is in line. your also old enough to be responsible. most "kids" on this forum can do some pretty stupod things, so please excuse us if we tend to jump to conclusions here.

happy growing my freind, and welcome to the forum!

**dogsofwar** · 07-24-2004, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

For me it took a couple of weeks to feel relief. My GF father is a spine surgeon so I now have a ton of Celebrex I'm taking. I believe they both do the same thing. I'm trying to get rid of some shoulder pain so i'm hoping it will help. I think the Bextra helped me better.

The bextra is an excellent drug. I have been in pain therapy for 2 years now this the best known drugs avail. This stuff is like 5 ibuprofens without the sides. Definitaely the best known anti-inflammatory. Good luck!

**215** · 07-24-2004, 12:32 AM

50mg ed for firsttime user kinda of alot i guess but what do i know

**dive_kid** · 07-24-2004, 02:11 AM

i got to agree....I have a shoulder issue and deca /test works wonders. gluco, is a very close second. start taking it 1g/day for a mounth before your cycle

**Phunkophonic** · 07-24-2004, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by dive_kid

i got to agree....I have a shoulder issue and deca/test works wonders. gluco, is a very close second. start taking it 1g/day for a mounth before your cycle

Thanx for all the input fellas been on the glucosimine and pushin my cycle back been reading and learning and from what Ive gatherd Im not quite
ready.
This has been a great review site, the best Ive been on!
Im a studio engineer and Ive been on forums on mixing,
and to my surprise there isnt any advice or help coming from this industry!
You see the people there dont like to share thier secrets! Its good to see forums like this where people come together to share their knowledge and experience and help people like me make the right choices!
If it wasnt for this forum I would have made a foolish mistake!
Anabolic Review is my new Home thanx for everything fellas!

**map200uk** · 07-24-2004, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Phunkophonic

Thanx for all the input fellas been on the glucosimine and pushin my cycle back been reading and learning and from what Ive gatherd Im not quite
ready.
This has been a great review site, the best Ive been on!
Im a studio engineer and Ive been on forums on mixing,
and to my surprise there isnt any advice or help coming from this industry!
You see the people there dont like to share thier secrets! Its good to see forums like this where people come together to share their knowledge and experience and help people like me make the right choices!
If it wasnt for this forum I would have made a foolish mistake!
Anabolic Review is my new Home thanx for everything fellas!

another happy ar guy

**almostgone** · 07-24-2004, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by kronik

ED=everyday, and no dont use the deca just to lube joints, use the glucosamine or go get a prescription for bextra IMO...www.bextra.com

amen on the Bextra, Phunkophonic maybe your doc has some samples..it's well worth asking for....

**Ntpadude** · 07-24-2004, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

For me it took a couple of weeks to feel relief. My GF father is a spine surgeon so I now have a ton of Celebrex I'm taking. I believe they both do the same thing. I'm trying to get rid of some shoulder pain so i'm hoping it will help. I think the Bextra helped me better.

I cant believe you didnt get relief from deca . Maybe your deca was underdosed. Its like this, last March my doctor thought my bursitus knee was so bad it might require surgery. Went for a follow up visit for the knee in late April but I was already 5 weeks into a deca cycle by then. All the swelling of the bursitus went away and the doctor commented on how he never seen bursitus that was as bad as mine, had just up and healed to nearly indetectable levels! Now that the deca cycle ended and deca well out of my body, the bursitus is slowly swelling back to where it was before but still no where near as bad as before.

**Ntpadude** · 07-24-2004, 04:47 PM

One thing people dont understand about glucosamine is that you have to take it daily for about 1 month before it actually starts increasing lubrication to your joints. Deca does basically the same thing as gluco but faster and sometimes you get more lubrication then possible with the gluco...

**Tryin2getHUGE** · 07-24-2004, 07:04 PM

Bro........ I am having some SERIOUS shoulder problems and the deca and gluco are not doing CRAP. I need to try some of that Bextra I guess. BLT, do I need a prescrip or can I get samples, enough to make my pain stop, from any doc? Thanks