Revised Fall/winter Cycle Need Comments

[juiceinthehood]

1.
old cycle was like this
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
1-14 test e 600mg (300mg 2x a wk)
1-17 eq 500mg (250mg 2x a wk)
15-20 prop 80mg ed
15-20 winni 60mg ed
10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24 clen 100mcg ed
1-25 nolva 20mg ed
21-24 clomid 100mg ed

2.
new cycle
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
1-14 test e 600mg (300mg 2x a wk)
1-17 eq 500mg (250mg 2x a wk)
15-20 prop 80mg ed
13-20 var 50mg ed
10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24 clen 100mcg ed
1-25 nolva 20mg ed
21-24 clomid 100mg ed

which one looks better i dont want to use winni bcuz its harsh on the hairline even though i like the effects so i am switching over to var
thanks for input bros

[monstercojones]

if you really want cutting effects go with tren over the var. you'll get great strength gains like you would nwith anavar , but with the added bonus of trimming some excess water and bodyfat with a clean diet.

1-4 30 mgs dbol ed
1-14 600 mgs test enth
1-17 eq 500 mgs
15-20 80 mgs prop ed
13-20 50 mgs tren ed

clen , nolva, clomid as you laid them out looks fine...

you might want to look into getting some proviron instead of the nolva for your anti e. it will help curb any libido issues arising from the tren and should harden you up a little more.

[BeefCakeStew]

Monster laid out a good cycle; however, if you are concerned about hair loss, you do not want to run Tren because Tren is a very potent Androgen, meaning that it acts very very well on the androgen receptors. Tren is a great steroid but its effects on Ance, hairloss, and other Androgenic Receptor mediated side effects are more pronounced with tren than with many of the compounds we run.

I dont want to speak to soon, but I have been reading up on some studies done on insects on animals and some show Tren to be even more potent at binding at the Androgen Receptor than DHT. Im am still looking for more conclusive studies, but the imformation is scarce or scattered for that matter.

"In previous studies assessing exposure effects of DHT in this species (from turtle eggs), 100 mcg/10g egg of DHT produced the results we observed with only 100ng/10g egg of trenbolone ."

From another study.
"We found a higher affinity of TbOH (Tren) to the AR in comparison to DHT."

Results
160 fmol/mg protein of active receptor were obtained from the baculovirus infected insect cells. The dissociation constant (KD) of DHT in the used androgen receptor system was determined to be 2.6 x 10-9 M. Compared to the natural ligand DHT, the RBA values of the endogenous ligands (19-Nortestosterone, testosterone ) are lower, the affinity is 70.8o% and 31%. Only the synthetic steroid trenbolone-17
has a higher affinity than DHT with 105%. Estradiol-17
(0.73%) and progesterone (0.48%) have a much lower affinity to the androgen receptor than to their natural receptors.
Specific binding (%)

wwww.euroresidue.nl/ER_IV/Contributions%20A-H/Bauer%20214-219.pdf

http://www.bio.txstate.edu:16080/~ewilling/ongoing.html

Any well thought out input would be great.

[juiceinthehood]

thanks bros i do not like tren for many reasons one is hair loss (big time) that is why i chose var over winni tren from what i have read is very very toxic i think i will go with cycle 2 the var one any other comments on cycle 2 will be very appreciated thanks again

[monstercojones]

you shoudlnt have too many problems with liver toxicity on winstrol , unless you are a recovering alcoholic or are currently drinking on a daily basis. 6 weeks of 50 mgs winstrol wont cause any lasting damage.

var is a good option as well as long as you're willing to lay out the cash.

[50%Natural]

you can go with either one...i'd probably go with tren in that cycle though but that is just me...

[juiceinthehood]

thanks bros im worried about hair loss with winni or tren

[monstercojones]

thanks bros im worried about hair loss with winni or tren

youre not worried about hairloss with test though?

[juiceinthehood]

i thought test was not as harsh as winni or fina on the hair

[BeefCakeStew]

i thought test was not as harsh as winni or fina on the hair

Test is hard on the hair because it converts to DHT via the 5alpha reductase enzyme. Finasteride inhibits this enzyme making Test lest problematic.

Tren and Winny (winny is a DHT derivative) cause hairloss by other mechanisms, which means that you have no defense for combating hairloss. However, Winny isn't nearly as bad on the hairline as drol or Dbol .

[juiceinthehood]

i think i will get some nizorol shampoo i think thats the name some bro mentioned it on a thread