Pro's cycle advice and HGC Question

[Jantzen4k]

Please let me know if you see anything that would be wrong in my 1st cycle:

Test ETHANATE, 500mg/week, week 1-12
Nolva, 10mg/Day, week 1-12 ;20mg/Day PCT
Clomid, 2 weeks after last Test injection
>>300mg day 1, 100mg Day 2-11, 50mg Day 12-21
Liv 52 and Milk thistle every morning during entire cycle and PCT

I have a Question about HGC, should I use it for my 1st cycle? Will my balls shrink that much without it? Do i need it even though im using the clomid? Im not really sure what to do with it. Please let me know if there is a good post, ive been looking but cant seem to find anything. thanks!

[SportsMedVIP]

Please let me know if you see anything that would be wrong in my 1st cycle:

Test ETHANATE, 500mg/week, week 1-12
Nolva, 10mg/Day, week 1-12 ;20mg/Day PCT
Clomid, 2 weeks after last Test injection
>>300mg day 1, 100mg Day 2-11, 50mg Day 12-21
Liv 52 and Milk thistle every morning during entire cycle and PCT

I have a Question about HGC, should I use it for my 1st cycle? Will my balls shrink that much without it? Do i need it even though im using the clomid? Im not really sure what to do with it. Please let me know if there is a good post, ive been looking but cant seem to find anything. thanks!

I think the cycle looks good and I wouldn't suggest HCG. This is because it's not too long of a cycle and it's also your first so I'd say find out if you need it or not by trying this cycle without it.

[BeefCakeStew]

I think the cycle looks good and I wouldn't suggest clomid. This is because it's not too long of a cycle and it's also your first so I'd say find out if you need it or not by trying this cycle without it.

Dont get too confused bro. That was a typo by VIP or was it? . He's saying you dont need HCG because the cycle isnt too long.

You definately need Clomid for PCT.

[SportsMedVIP]

Dont get too confused bro. That was a typo by VIP or was it? . He's saying you dont need HCG because the cycle isnt too long.

You definately need Clomid for PCT.

Wow that's a bad mistake. i'm gonna edit it just for the sake of future searches. You were dead on with what I meant to say. I'm at work now and I'm typing fast responses and not proof reading. I'll have to be more careful. My apologies.

[RATM]

what length would you include the hcg, 14 weeks+???????

[BeefCakeStew]

what length would you include the hcg, 14 weeks+???????

16wks+ is general rule of thumb. Trib 4g/day usually takes care of boys for cycles any shorter.

However, that is only a general rule of thumb. If your running an extreme cycle that is going to cause havoc on the HTPA, than HCG should be used for a 14wk'er IMO.

Running proper ancilliaries during cycle also minimizes HTPA shut down (ie--> AI, Nolva, and Cabergoline can reduce progesterone and estrogen during cycle, which in turn lessens HTPA inhibition). In the end it is mostly relative to the individual and the cycle they choose to run.

Anymore input from VETs/Mods/Seniors would be great.