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08-04-2004, 09:20 PM #1
Ephedra & ECA?
I am too fat 33% BF and it is time to shed some of the lbs so I got some clen and I was thinking about ECA too. I use to take ephedra when it was legal and liked the results for loosing weight, but it has been a while since I dieted and used weight loss supplements
All right I Just did a research query on Ephedra and got I bunch of stuff I did not need. So I am just going to create this thread in order to get a straight answer from the experts.
Here are my Questions:
1.Is Ephedra and Ephedrine the same thing (newbie question right)?
2.Since Ephedra has been banned in the U.S., can it be found readily on the net and where can I get some?
3.What is a good daily dose for ECA or is it do as much as possible until I cannot tolerate the sides?Last edited by Fat Guy; 08-05-2004 at 05:40 AM.
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08-04-2004, 09:30 PM #2Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Fat Guy
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08-04-2004, 09:37 PM #3Originally Posted by kronik
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08-04-2004, 10:43 PM #4
I would appreciate anything from anyone. Thanks
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08-04-2004, 10:55 PM #5
DNP ....look into DNP...it works wonders...but be careful
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08-04-2004, 10:59 PM #6
Bro,
At 33% you're at at advantage when you're dropping weight. Before you jump in and start using "supplements", try having a steady diet, workout and cardio regime. I guarantee if you're disciplined just to eat right and stay focused with your consistancy on your cardio and training, you'll be dropping weight in no time.
Only jump into using supplements when you notice that your weight isn't dropping, regardless of whether or not you change up your diet and routine.
What happens when while using all these supplements you can't drop any weight? THEN what will you do?
IMO, do it natural at first and be consistant. When the weight stops dropping, then add in the supps and increase your calorie expenditure.
You the man bro, you can do it.
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08-04-2004, 11:01 PM #7
Thanks Ronny
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08-04-2004, 11:27 PM #8
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08-04-2004, 11:29 PM #9
what is DNP ?
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08-04-2004, 11:30 PM #10Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Anhydro78
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08-04-2004, 11:32 PM #11Senior Member
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There is thread here somewhere called the "clenbuterol handbook" search for it and read it all.
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08-04-2004, 11:33 PM #12
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08-04-2004, 11:38 PM #13
DNP is a substance that is used in chemical pesticides, wood perservatives,and dye. It supposedly works very well for cutting fat. But I would hate to recommend it to someone and have someone die from it.
Im curious how are you measuring your BF% when its that high?????
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08-04-2004, 11:40 PM #14Senior Member
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I personally will never use DNP , to risky IMO...
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08-04-2004, 11:41 PM #15
The pinch test with calipers, which I know is not that accurate.
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08-04-2004, 11:41 PM #16
I want to do the body water test because I know it is way more accurate.
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08-05-2004, 12:01 AM #17
There is no way you could do an accurate skin fold test on a person with BF over 15%.I worked in a gym and did some personal training. When you measure a skin fold you need to be able to pinch the skin fold down to the muscle.Not being mean but I doubt they could even get a fat caliper on your abdominal skin fold. You can get a bio impedance meter to gauge your progress. people say they are not accurate, but they are consistant. Which means more to me for determining progress.
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08-05-2004, 05:42 AM #18
bump
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08-07-2004, 09:30 PM #19
Can anyone answer his second question? I am also curious about this. Thanks
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08-07-2004, 09:43 PM #20Originally Posted by Fat Guy
2) Ephedra is illegal. Ephedrine can still be purshased legally.
3) 25mg/200mg/100mg of ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin three times a day before meals.
4) DNP = DO NOT PARTICIPATE.
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08-07-2004, 10:04 PM #21
Thanks, and that has got to be the funniest ****in avatar i've ever seen!!!
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08-07-2004, 10:07 PM #22Originally Posted by bad_man
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08-07-2004, 10:09 PM #23Originally Posted by iNvid
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08-07-2004, 10:10 PM #24Originally Posted by Anhydro78Originally Posted by kronikOriginally Posted by bad_man
Here's a good read about DNP, it's long but worth it.
http://forums.anabolicreview.com/sho...d.php?t=115611
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08-07-2004, 10:12 PM #25
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08-07-2004, 10:13 PM #26Originally Posted by SV-1
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08-07-2004, 10:16 PM #27Originally Posted by bad_man
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/4,673,691
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08-07-2004, 10:28 PM #28Originally Posted by SV-1
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08-07-2004, 10:33 PM #29AR Hall of Fame
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F*ck DNP .
I've never had to resort to using that in ANYONE I've assisted, and trust me, MANY wanted to use it!
With a sound program first (diet/cardio/exercise/rest) and all of the other "ancillaries" available to help with fat loss, this is one compound that never has to be touched.
I hate to say it, but most use this because they are LAZY, they want a quick fix, and they'd rather sit around on their (__!__) all day and do nothing. What??? U sure as hell ain't gonna get a good productive workout on that sh*t, cardio neither!! So, what are you really doing for YOURSELF, like internally, for your over-all health, heart, future, etc? That is the point of being HEALTHY.
Or, what happens when DNP is not at your disposal to "save your life", etc.
Much better plans of attack, however my new advice for everyone after I give my take on a subject is and remains........
"TO EACH HIS/HER OWN".
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08-07-2004, 10:34 PM #30Originally Posted by bad_man
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08-07-2004, 10:38 PM #31Originally Posted by SwoleCat
Feel a little strongly about DNP Swole lol......
I can't lie and say I have never thought about using it..... hell I plan to use it in the near future because I want to see how well it really does work. However I agree with what you said 100% in the fact that you should definitely use hard work (diet, cardio etc) instead of this substance especially if you wish to maintain your new found weight loss. Definitely in Fat Guy's case DNP would not be the smartest choice or the healthiest..... but I wouldn't knock DNP usage for someone that is already relatively lean looking to compete or something of that nature and needs to shed the last few pounds of fat as fast as possible.
<<LMO>>
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08-07-2004, 10:41 PM #32AR Hall of Fame
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I can assure you that someone who needs to lose just a few pounds would NOT be using this. Not anyone that I know of anyhow. A few lbs. is not cause to resort to such a serious compound.
Dunno, don't care, just passing along info. I've a plethora or horror stories about it from people from my board, Elite, etc., housed at my board. I chose not to bring those stories here because people are going to do what they are going to do, and I personally could care less. Just giving my thoughts on the matter. What actually plays out from this as far as people using it or not, makes no difference to me.
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08-07-2004, 10:44 PM #33Originally Posted by SwoleCat
Very true....
<<LMO>>
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08-07-2004, 10:58 PM #34Originally Posted by SwoleCatOriginally Posted by SwoleCatOriginally Posted by LeanMeOut
More people died in the USA from ephedra in 2003 then from DNP in the last 75 years!
And SwoleCat recommends ephedra to people on his programs.
I'm not recommending DNP over a healthy diet and exercise routine. But if you are doing that and want to supplement it with something, DNP (if used correctly) is VERY safe.Last edited by SV-1; 08-08-2004 at 12:05 AM.
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08-07-2004, 10:58 PM #35
hey bro....about one year ago I was around 100%bj
j/k. Iwas 5'8 280 lbs. I thought **** this ****
I started 1hr cardio in the am on an empty tank. weights 5 days a week cardio 7 days and only the best food.
after A year I was 5"8 210 lbs. great reasults hu?
just takes hard work and a real good diet. no bull ****.
now I am in to the gear and starting to put weight on again.
I will do a nother cutting cycle in the spring.
If ya want to ad some stuff I would recomend clen or t3.as far as I know ephedra and ephedren are the same thing.{might be wrong} it is no longer legal to have/obtain/use
in canada..I dount know about the usa.
Just give it a good natural effort. you will be surprised.
good luck bro
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08-07-2004, 11:01 PM #36
Now we have someone recomending T3. Hey, let's start fukking with our thyroid too!!
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08-07-2004, 11:07 PM #37
can you bring the stories anyway i would personally like to hear them if its not to much trouble
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08-07-2004, 11:28 PM #38
I have no problem with people that take DNP . I dont think they are stupid or Crazy. I just think it is something serious enough not to recommend it to new users like it is not serious. I feel Its the same with insulin .What if every Newbie that came on here had Insulin recommended to them for their first cycle. We would only contribute to more "steroid " deaths. I have read up on DNP and its nothing I want to take. I just think we should be a little more responsible than to suggest things like that to people that are new to the game. You have no idea wether this guy is actually gonna do his research on the subject, or if he is just gonna go out and find some and let an idiot tell him how to use it. Thats all im saying.
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08-08-2004, 05:53 PM #39Originally Posted by Anhydro78
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08-08-2004, 06:22 PM #40Anabolic Member
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Good luck Fat Guy. Make sure you start a weight training protocol too. Building muscle in turn will raise your BMR to eat calories. It's not going to happen overnight as its a lifestyle change. Also very important consult a doctor for a physical to ensure you can safely workout. Your heart is working hard on that bodyweight.
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