Advice please!

**madlean23** · 08-16-2004, 04:26 PM

Is there any recomended first cycle, for leaner, gradual gains that i will keep after i get off...i dont want to gain 20 and lose 15. what stack is recomended?

***Pheedno*** · 08-16-2004, 04:29 PM

Stats?- Age, weight, height, lifting experience

**1badcamaro** · 08-16-2004, 04:29 PM

do a straight test only cycle, and do correct pct and you should keep most of your gains. Do some research on the front page of the site, they give example cycles.

**dieseL atC** · 08-16-2004, 04:34 PM

You could do a Test/EQ Cycle. EQ gives slow/quality gains so that is what you are probably looking for. Just remember, you're diet and cardio is going to determine how good of quality your gains will be. If you eat and train like ****, you'll look like ****. Anyways here's what I'd recommend..

1-13 Test E @ 500mg wk (every 3.5 days)
1-12 EQ @ 400mg (every 3.5 days)
1-15 Nolva @ 10mg ED
1-15 Femara @ 1.25mg EOD
16-18 Nolva @ 20mg ED
16-18 Clomid @ 100mg ED

**madlean23** · 08-16-2004, 04:46 PM

age 22, 5'11'', 175

**SportsMedVIP** · 08-16-2004, 05:35 PM

Madlean, are you already mad lean right now? If so some winnie wouldn't hurt on the end. Test E @500mg EW shot Mon and Thu for 12 weeks. Winnie @50mg ED weeks 11-14. Start PCT week 15 the day after your last winnie dosage. Run CLomid for PCT. Check out Pheedno's thread on PCT in the PCT forum if you need to brush up on that.

**madlean23** · 08-16-2004, 08:09 PM

To answer your question...I am lean always have been. But i wanna get bigger without blowing up out of control and looking ridiculous i would rather do several gradual cycles over the next few years than doing one and blowing up with stretch marks simulating a roadmap...is this possible with 500mg prop and some winnie or am i way off?...thanks for your help

**madlean23** · 08-16-2004, 08:10 PM

if i am being naiive please excuse my lack of knowledge

**SportsMedVIP** · 08-16-2004, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by madlean23

if i am being naiive please excuse my lack of knowledge

You gotta start somewhere bro. Atleast it sounds like you've tried to do some research. 400mg Prop for 10 weeks along with winnie @50mg ED weeks 6-10 would work great. Start PCT 3 days after last prop shot. You can run the winnie up to the day before PCT. That would give you some good gains that you could keep most of without blowing you up too ridiculously.