1st cycle

**drdeath613** · 08-22-2004, 04:23 AM

im trying to get all the info i can get here is my rough draft for it im jus t running a test not running a full power cycle

test e 250mgs once a week 1-12
winny caps 55mgs ed 1-6
nolva 20-55 mgs ed
clomid 3 weeks after the last shot of test 300mgs first day and 100 for 2 weeks and 50 mgs for the last week

and since im taking cap im also running 200mgs milk thistle ed

like i said its a rough draft or maybe rite on im not for sure and any info u have plz let me know thxz for your time

**shiloh** · 08-22-2004, 04:35 AM

Most people here will tell you to bump up your test to 500mg/ew injecting every three or four days. Apparently, 250mg/ew is more like HRT than a cycle. Also to keep your nolva at 10mg ed unless you start seeing signs of gyno. And start the clomid 2 weeks after the last shot insted of three.

**dumblucky** · 08-22-2004, 04:37 AM

[QUOTE=drdeath613]im trying to get all the info i can get here is my rough draft for it im jus t running a test not running a full power cycle

test e 250mgs once a week 1-12(make it 400mg week)

winny caps 55mgs ed 1-6(good)

nolva 20-55 mgs ed(try 10mg ed)

clomid 3 weeks after the last shot of test (2 weeks is better)

300mgs first day and 100 for 2 weeks and 50 mgs for the last week(this is OK)

and since im taking cap im also running 200mgs milk thistle ed(fine)

like i said its a rough draft or maybe rite on im not for sure and any info u have plz let me know thxz for your time

**drdeath613** · 08-22-2004, 04:39 AM

thxz guys i wasnt to far off im glad im learning how to do this rite

**kronik** · 08-22-2004, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by shiloh

Most people here will tell you to bump up your test to 500mg/ew injecting every three or four days. Apparently, 250mg/ew is more like HRT than a cycle. Also to keep your nolva at 10mg ed unless you start seeing signs of gyno. And start the clomid 2 weeks after the last shot insted of three.

All this above and why dont you use the winny weeks 9-14 and start PCT 1 day after last winny...

**drdeath613** · 08-22-2004, 05:27 AM

cuz like i said im testing as to see if i like doing this if i can handle the side this there for if i do two cycles and dont like it there really no harm if i do a full dose for full time and cant handle ths side im kinda f###ed and its a time proven fact u should always do the least amout too see how each person handles somthing u should never just jump on without testing first i feel its better to be safe then sry cuz i dont want to f my life up just cuz im willing to try somthing new

**drdeath613** · 08-22-2004, 05:31 AM

lol trust me i was doing mini thins to the point now if i do them i freak out i cant handel them anymore i was poping 10 15 a day and now i can never take them so im not going to make the same mistake understand what im talking about if u dont im sure some one does

**kronik** · 08-22-2004, 05:32 AM

To each his own, but you are one the few I have seen run winny in the beginning of a cycle and not the end. Winny is not suited for a cycle kickstart IMO.

**drdeath613** · 08-22-2004, 05:58 AM

well that is true with your point i may set for the last half of the cycle but like i said it was a rough draft so i know how much to buy and so forth hey i think iv done pretty good at reading and studieing for the 3 months 3 weeks as a member iv been here and im still learning thats y i turned to u guys for help

**RATM** · 08-22-2004, 06:20 AM

I am glad to see that you are one of the few newbies on here who read other threads to learn from our experiences/mistakes. That being said, kronik and shiloh were right. Test would be better at 250 twice a week and the winny at the end of your cycle not the front. IMO, you would be wasting time and money by only doing 250 once a week.

**drdeath613** · 08-22-2004, 06:40 AM

ya im not some kid wanting to be huge thinking juice is going to do all the work iv been to the diet workout forums and here and i read all the stickys and do mad serches i want to know as much as i can befor i do anything i mean look for the amount of time i was here as a member and all the studieing i did i was pretty close to being right so u all can tell im learning and not waisting your time with bs its not me if i cant be truthfull with you guys then i lose out on all the info

**RATM** · 08-22-2004, 07:51 AM

what are your goals, and what are you doing now to get there? ie., diet, cardio, workout?

**drdeath613** · 08-22-2004, 08:03 AM

lean mass and losing bf thxz to swolecats time i have a killer diet and one of his old workout programs and cardio is 5 times a week 30 mins a day

**drdeath613** · 08-22-2004, 08:10 AM

it was funny i think i made swolecat mad when i was asking for help with my diet . i told him i was thinking of taking dnp knowing how he dislikes dnp he was like F###ing kid is dumb wanting to use somthing used to blow tnt but i he typed it differnt lol think he was being nice lol

**Physical_Specimen** · 08-22-2004, 11:13 AM

This may be a stupid question but . . . . What is milk thistles purpose? ive heard it talked about but havent heard it come out of anybodys mouth as to what it is actually used for . . . . does milk thistle cleanse the liver or something while taking orals?