Next cycle - whatcha think ???

**hammerhead** · 03-02-2002, 10:54 AM

This is what i've put together as my next cycle. I'm gathering the materials so any adjustments I need to make - now's the time. The EQ is a strong anabolic and not too toxic for 3 months worth. The cycle starts with a month of mass powered by Arnold's favorite. Then a month of mass powered by the strongest in this stack - Sus. The last month is a cleanup maybe even some dieting to drop some fat and harden the new size. The usual clen /clomid ending. Of course proviron to protect the tits (AVOID is a better word).
My vitals: i'll be 36 by time this cycle starts - been lifting since the Reagan years. Second cycle. Current weight 182, 6 feet tall. Slim frame. Hard gainer. High-protein low-fat diet. Goal is quality muscle with emphasis on size and some gut reduction is always nice. I'm wondering if (1) should I run the Sus the first 4 weeks too (2) should I sqeeze in 2 weeks of HCG and no juice after week 8 to allow some regeneration (3) should I sub Primo for the Eq in the last 4 Winstrol weeks if i'm going to diet
Any/all input comments is appreciated!

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<TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=BOTTOM NOWRAP>mg/EOD
 Equipoise 
 
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<CENTER>5mg tabs/day
 Dianabol </CENTER>

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<TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=BOTTOM NOWRAP>mg/week
 Sustenon-250
 
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<TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=BOTTOM NOWRAP>mg/EOD
 Winstrol Depot
 
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<TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=BOTTOM NOWRAP>25mg/day
 Proviron
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<CENTER>20mcg tabs/day
 Clenbuterol </CENTER>

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<TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=BOTTOM NOWRAP>50mg/day
 Clomid
 
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<CENTER>80</CENTER>
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<CENTER>4</CENTER>
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<CENTER>80</CENTER>
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<CENTER>6</CENTER>
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<CENTER>3</CENTER>
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<CENTER>100</CENTER>
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<CENTER>8</CENTER>
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<CENTER>2</CENTER>
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<CENTER>4</CENTER>
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<CENTER>100</CENTER>
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<CENTER>6</CENTER>
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<CENTER>6</CENTER>
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<CENTER>500</CENTER>
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<CENTER>120</CENTER>
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<CENTER>2</CENTER>
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<CENTER>9</CENTER>
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<CENTER>100</CENTER>
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<CENTER>50</CENTER>
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<CENTER>2</CENTER>
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<TD> </TD>
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<CENTER>10</CENTER>
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<TD>
<CENTER>100</CENTER>
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<TD>
<CENTER>50</CENTER>
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<TD ALIGN=CENTER>1</TD>

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<CENTER>80</CENTER>
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<CENTER>1</CENTER>
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<CENTER>1,2,3,4,5,6-</CENTER>
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<CENTER>14</CENTER>
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<CENTER>-6-</CENTER>
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<CENTER>15</CENTER>
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<CENTER>-6,5,4,3,2,1</CENTER>
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<CENTER>1</CENTER>
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<CENTER>16</CENTER>
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<CENTER>1500 mg</CENTER>
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<CENTER>550 mg</CENTER>
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<CENTER>150 tabs</CENTER>
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**hammerhead** · 03-02-2002, 11:01 AM

the paste HTML in this didn't work so well. here it is:

week
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1 - EQ 80mg/EOD + d-bol 4 tabs/day
2 - EQ 80mg/EOD + d-bol 6 tabs/day
3 - EQ 100mg/EOD + d-bol 8 tabs/day
4 - EQ 100mg/EOD + d-bol 6 tabs/day
5 - EQ 120mg/EOD + dbol 4 tabs/day + Sustenon 250mg
6 - EQ 120mg/EOD + Sustenon 500mg
7 - EQ 120mg/EOD + Sustenon 500mg
8 - EQ 120mg/EOD + Sustenon 250mg
9 - EQ 100mg/EOD + 50mg Winstrol Depot EOD
10 - EQ 100mg/EOD + 50mg Winstrol Depot EOD
11 - EQ 80mg/EOD + 50mg Winstrol Depot EOD
12 - EQ 80mg/EOD + 50mg Winstrol Depot EOD
proviron 2 tabs/day. Clomid pyramid weeks 13-15 and Clomid weeks 14-16.

Sorry about the stupid HTML above.

**Ray** · 03-14-2002, 03:49 PM

Im new to this game also but ill tell you what i think. There is no need to taper the dosages of dbal and since your probably using it to jump start the cycle you should start with your max dosage and continue with it for 4 weeks at 40mg/ed but from what i read about your dissappointment in your previous cycle id go with 50mg/ed. The sustenon you should run from the start at 500 mg/wk in two doses, mon thurs. Again there is no need to taper the eq but instead you should front load it at 600 mg/wk for the first two weeks then continue at 400mg/wk into 2 dosages (mon, thurs). You only need two injections a week due to its long half life and run the eq for 10 wks not twelve so you over run it with winstrol by two wks so you can go right into clomid therapy. The way you have the winstrol is ok but you can start it two wks earlier for a total of six weeks. This is how i think you should run it.

Dbol - wks 1-4 at 50 mg/ed
Sustenon - wks 1-10 at 500 mg/wk (10 will be better though)
Eq - wks 1-10 at 600 for the first 2 wks then at 400 the rest
winstrol - wks 7-12 at 50 mg eod
Clomid - start the second day after last win. shot
anti estrogens youll need also.

JMO

**Dr.Evil** · 03-14-2002, 03:58 PM

keep the eq constant and at 300-400mg/wk. you may not need dbol .

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