Test e stacked with EQ

**slippin** · 09-09-2004, 01:52 PM

ok. here is another cylce i want opinions on if you dont mind.

my stats: 28 5'10 164

400mgTest Monday-Thursday
200mg EQ per week

PCT:
Nolva 40mg perday on last week of injections, drop to 20mg perday after two weeksof 40mg/day.

Thoughts? My dosages may be off but I want to keep them as low as I can.

Remember as much of you know, i am trying to add lean muscle mass with my first cycle, not necessarily to be the incredible bulk...lol

Thanks!!

**tonytone** · 09-09-2004, 02:01 PM

okay..... how long are you running those for? IF i were you I would run 500 mg of test/week, and 400 mg EQ/week. Run that EQ for 12 weeks and the test for 13. You said you want lean mass....well the EQ is going to give you that. If you are really concerned then do cardio during your cycle. You should run nolva at 10-20 mg per day throughout cycle, and your PCT should be the standard clomid PCT (check PCT forum). Also run that nolva at 20 mg/day throughout PCT

**slippin** · 09-09-2004, 02:05 PM

I am thinking that the EQ will help with the water retention. Is this a correct assumption? I trying to not acheive the "bloat" from the test but there may not be a way around it.

**tonytone** · 09-09-2004, 02:06 PM

If you're concerned about the bloat from the test then get some l-dex and run it at .25 mg throughout your cycle

**Johnnystick77** · 09-09-2004, 02:06 PM

eq will help a little with balancing out the test bloat but stick with the nolva @20mg/day and you'll be fine

**)(PimP JuicE)(** · 09-09-2004, 04:44 PM

eq will also help with joints and give you solid gains (harder muscles)

**usualsuspect** · 09-09-2004, 07:00 PM

EQ certaintly increases red blood count causing crazy vascularity (esp. when your body fat is already pretty low), but I never used it to prevent water retention or alleviate joint pain. That is what anti-e's and deca is for. Anyway, Eq is overall a great stacking drug in my opinion and combines for a good cycle with test. However, running 200mgs a week is probably a waste. 400mgs a week is recommended for at least 12 weeks. Remember EQ takes at least 4 weeks to kick in, so you only get 8 wks of benefits from EQ in a 12 week cycle.

**juicin in ok** · 09-10-2004, 07:48 AM

hey bro have u ever juiced before? 164 sounds kinda light for being 5'10
gain as much weight naturaly as you can before you juice

**BUYLONGTERM** · 09-10-2004, 07:51 AM

IF it were me, I'd run it like this...

Week 1-13 Test E 500mg EW (splitting dose Mond. & Thur.)
Week 1-12 EQ 400mg EW (same as above)
Nolva - 10mg ED
Ldex - .25mg ED
PCT - Clomid, 2 weeks after last test injection.

My first cycle, I ran a low dose of Test and EQ (200mg). after several weeks, I had to bump up the EQ.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 09-10-2004, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by )(PimP JuicE)(

eq will also help with joints and give you solid gains (harder muscles)

Help with joints? Man, EQ does a number on my joints. Deca yes, but NOT EQ.

**Pork Chop** · 09-10-2004, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by slippin

ok. here is another cylce i want opinions on if you dont mind.

my stats: 28 5'10 164

400mgTest Monday-Thursday
200mg EQ per week

PCT:
Nolva 40mg perday on last week of injections, drop to 20mg perday after two weeksof 40mg/day.

Thoughts? My dosages may be off but I want to keep them as low as I can.

Remember as much of you know, i am trying to add lean muscle mass with my first cycle, not necessarily to be the incredible bulk...lol

Thanks!!

Your first cycle is the most important and you will get the biggest gains.
Test 600mg-700mg
Not a familiar with Eq, don't know anyone it's done anything for.
20mg Nolva is more than sufficient.
Don't forget clomid.

**slippin** · 09-10-2004, 08:20 AM

To be totally honest I have a lot of trouble putting on weight due to my high metabolism. And isnt it the point of juice to aide in gaining muscle and weight. 164-170 is about as high as I can get it anyway. sucks huh?

**Pork Chop** · 09-10-2004, 08:24 AM

You didn't read my response.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 09-10-2004, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

Your first cycle is the most important and you will get the biggest gains.
Test 600mg-700mg
Not a familiar with Eq, don't know anyone it's done anything for.
20mg Nolva is more than sufficient.
Don't forget clomid.

Personally, I wouldn't run that much test for a first cycle. He will get great results doing 500mg. I LOVE EQ!!!! I've done both Deca and EQ, and I'll take EQ any day of the week over DECA. 400mg of EQ will give you quality muscle along with good vascularity!!!!

**slippin** · 09-10-2004, 09:10 AM

In yalls opinion do you think I will see the acne with 500mg of test? Yes, Im always worried about the sides.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 09-10-2004, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by slippin

In yalls opinion do you think I will see the acne with 500mg of test? Yes, Im always worried about the sides.

Bro, everyone is different. I personally do NOT breakout while doing Test even at a high dose. But, when I come off, I have trouble.......

**Pork Chop** · 09-10-2004, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by slippin

In yalls opinion do you think I will see the acne with 500mg of test? Yes, Im always worried about the sides.

Big acne on Dbol .. none on depot test.

Lather up with lots of soap - helps big to stop the zits.

**joevette** · 09-10-2004, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by slippin

To be totally honest I have a lot of trouble putting on weight due to my high metabolism. And isnt it the point of juice to aide in gaining muscle and weight. 164-170 is about as high as I can get it anyway. sucks huh?

Everyone I've ever met that has a problem gaining weight says the same thing. They tell me they eat like a horse but when you add up the total calories it's only like 2000. FORCE-FEED yourself! Even with juice if you cannot eat enough you won't gain. If you think you're eating alot and still not gaining then obviously you are not eating enough. IMO you should train hard naturally for a couple of years and eat like a horse. Add up the calories and shoot for 4000.