PCT and Creatine

[Tushe]

Hey,

How much creatine can I add in with my clomid/clen/nolva pct?

Is 2g ed enough, or will I have to start off with a loading phase (20g for 4 days).

What's your opinion of laoding phases? I've read that it's essential and that it's useless.

T.

[sniper320]

ditch the loading phase(waste of money) and take 5g before you workout, then 5g RIGHT after you workout with dextrose.

[Tushe]

What does dextrose do? Isn't that just a single chani sugar?

[sniper320]

It causes an insulin spike and thats what you want. Its cheap , just mix it with your creatine and youll be good to go.

[Tushe]

How much dextrose are we talking about?

[khurrams]

I usually take my creatine immediately after my workouts and 20 minutes later I have about 80 grams of dex with my PWO shake......my .02 cents

[sniper320]

just about 5g( a teaspoon).

[khurrams]

How much dextrose are we talking about?

About 2 scoops of dex.......

[khurrams]

just about 5g( a teaspoon).

For insulin spike u need 80 grams of dex....not 5 grams...

[Tushe]

Conflicting opinions!

Why do I want this insulin spike? Won't that just make me sluggish afterwards?

[sniper320]

For insulin spike u need 80 grams of dex....not 5 grams...

I disagree.

[angelxterminator]

no you are restoring glycogen in your muscles. you do not need 80grams for an insulin spike though. You need to have a post work out shake.
the shake should be a 2:1 ratio of dextrose to protein with your 5 grams of creatine in the shake. Should only be mixed with water, no milk or anything..

example: before i started the insulin use, my shake consisted of 50grams of protein (isolate) with 100grams of dextrose, and 8 grams of creatine!

[angelxterminator]

also why isn't this in the supplement forum?

[Tushe]

also why isn't this in the supplement forum?

Cause I'm talkin about PCT!!!

[sniper320]

also why isn't this in the supplement forum?

Good point!

[khurrams]

Yeah but Tushe is not taking Humalog therefore he needs 80 grams of dex to restore glycogen.......

[MMC78]

I'm really having a hard time seeing what Creatine has to do with PCT.

[Tushe]

This is going way over my head now. What is Humalog and slin?

[angelxterminator]

Yeah but Tushe is not taking Humalog therefore he needs 80 grams of dex to restore glycogen.......

ok i also said before i was shooting the slin. What exact calculations do you base that 80 gram figure on? That figure will change with every single person depending on height, weight, LBM, intensity of the workout, etc. That is a figure the person must come up with on their own to figure out what they need for proper recovery! 80 grams is a general number to be used because most whey contains about 20-22 grams of protein per scoop, so using 2 scoops combined with 80g of dex would put you in the 2:1 dextrose to protein ratio I was referring to above.
Like i said, BEFORE my insulin use, i used 100grams of dex with 50 grams of protein and 8 grams creatine, as that is what i found to work well for me!

Now with slin i use 70grams dex with 10 grams creatine, 10 grams of glutamine then 80 grams of protein

[Tushe]

I'm really having a hard time seeing what Creatine has to do with PCT.

To minimise loss. Granted, it's water I'm holding onto. But still...

[angelxterminator]

I'm really having a hard time seeing what Creatine has to do with PCT.

i was also, but i let it so the guy wasn't misinformed!

[angelxterminator]

This is going way over my head now. What is Humalog?

not somethign you'll be using anytime soon so dont sweat it

[khurrams]

Creatine just gives you that extra boost and makes your muscles look fuller when you get off juice....Just another motivational supplement.......

[angelxterminator]

Creatine just gives you that extra boost and makes your muscles look fuller when you get off juice....Just another motivational supplement.......

No creatine is not a motivational supplement, it has physical effects!
I use it consistently, the only time i cut out the creatine is when i get to the last 4 weeks of cutting, then i'll superload for a week, and cut using it entirely!

[angelxterminator]

ditch the loading phase(waste of money) and take 5g before you workout, then 5g RIGHT after you workout with dextrose.

I'm not saying its wrong, but i'm just wondering. What is the purpose of the 5grams pre-workout?

[khurrams]

No creatine is not a motivational supplement, it has physical effects!
I use it consistently, the only time i cut out the creatine is when i get to the last 4 weeks of cutting, then i'll superload for a week, and cut using it entirely!

I never said it doesn't have its physical effects but psychologically since your mind is altered on PCT and majority falls under depression.....Creatine gives you a motivational boost as far as pumps, strength, endurance and gains are concerned..........

[khurrams]

Mind you when people go through PCT.....Its equivalent for some as dooms day

[Tushe]

Mind you when people go through PCT.....Its equivalent for some as dooms day

Looking forward to it

[angelxterminator]

Mind you when people go through PCT.....Its equivalent for some as dooms day

aint that tha truth!

[khurrams]

aint that tha truth!

Glad u agreed on something......lol

[angelxterminator]