want to harden up, what's the best choice?

**devilscabanaboy19** · 03-06-2002, 02:58 PM

I'm an avid lifter and have managed to put on some pretty decent muscle. The only problem is my muscles have a really soft look to them. I've been cutting carbs and doing cardio trying to shed body fat and have made good progress. I'm going to start taking ephedra/caffeine once I lose a little more body fat. What would be the best choice to acheive the hard look? Winny or clenbuterol ? Or both?

**BE_STRONG** · 03-06-2002, 03:00 PM

both!!!! Are youu cycling now?

**Dr.Evil** · 03-06-2002, 03:01 PM

a clean diet and more cardio.

**devilscabanaboy19** · 03-06-2002, 03:02 PM

not right now, i was planning on starting a cycle very soon.

**Mr. Trenton** · 03-06-2002, 11:49 PM

Eq.

**devilscabanaboy19** · 03-06-2002, 11:51 PM

what's eq?

**poppapump58** · 03-07-2002, 12:02 AM

If you dont know what eq is, stay away from roids. I take it your too young.

**devilscabanaboy19** · 03-07-2002, 12:03 AM

how young is too young? I'm 19 goin on 20

**gettinthere** · 03-07-2002, 12:25 AM

"how young is too young?"
Most people on this forum will tell you that anyone below22 is too young. In a way they are right because you more than likely still have genetic potential that you could tap into. however, some people mature faster than others so... If you have already made up your mind then i'm not going to talk you out of it. EQ is equipoise , a veterinary steroid commonly used in horses. It gives the muscles a hard, vascular look. also ups your appettite from what i hear. I haven't used it yet but i have some coming so i'll let you know how it works for me. On this same note guys....how long does it take for me to see any results from test enan. 500wk and eq 400wk? how fast are these to gettin in the system??

**devilscabanaboy19** · 03-07-2002, 12:47 AM

yeah i'd appreaciate any info you could give me about your use of equipose. From what I've read about winstrol it sounds good to me but i am still weighing my options. I may try it I may not, but I know my body and I always listen to what it has to tell me and i think now is a good time to juice it. I just want to get as much information from people who have tried the products in question before making my decision.

**King Samson** · 03-07-2002, 01:35 AM

Do a search. There are a ton of threads on eq. Always do alot of research before you put anything in your body.

**Mr LuCiFa** · 03-07-2002, 02:01 AM

bro, EQ and Winny together will harden u up

i wud do EQ 400mg weekly for 8-10 weeks, and winny 50mg daily for the last 6 weeks u do EQ

and as for peopel who say "more cardio, more diet"
sucka nut, why did u turn to steroids ? why dont u eat more, and diet harder, and lift harder

haters
teach the guy, dotn preach him, maybe wat u teach him will make him c hange his mind, tell him shit like DNP is used in bombs and sit that will scare him, if the drug is really that scary
but shit like EQ and winny arent that harsh....TEACH, and let him decide for himself

**bigwillster** · 03-07-2002, 11:34 AM

Check this out.
http://www.anabolicreview.com/drugprof.htm
I think this link didn't work but go to the main page and click on drug profile. They also have sample cycles for newbies. Feel free to post your questions bro. Using the search button has answered many of my questons so you might want to try that too. Make sure to look into nolvadex , clomid, arimidex or liquidex, and proviron . These drugs may help you with some sides. Do a lot of research before you start juicing. Peace

***Sicilian30*** · 03-07-2002, 11:42 AM

EQ you will have to inject EOD, which could be a problem for some. EQ usually comes 50mg, and it is recommended to do 400-600mg a week to be effecitve. Winny stacked with EQ a powerful combo, and will harden and cut you up.
But I hate EQ cause of all the injects you have to do.... that is the only thing holding me back from EQ, I plan on maybe doing an EQ cycle after my test and winny cycle, but we will see how it goes. By the way, I thnk you are alittle young to be doing gear bro, wait a few more years, your body will love you for it.

**gettinthere** · 03-07-2002, 01:09 PM

My Boldenon EQ is 200mg/ml. Thats two injects per week. I hear the 50mg is very common though. Make sure that you know what you're getting.

**GenX1979** · 03-07-2002, 01:12 PM

ttokkyo labs EQ 200 mg\cc
two cc's of that a week should do ya

**devilscabanaboy19** · 03-07-2002, 03:13 PM

is equipose water soluble like winstrol ? Is that why you have to take it so often?

**9natural9** · 03-07-2002, 03:19 PM

my head hurts.....

please go:

1)drug profiles
2)click on eq
3)read, read, read!!!
4)welcome

**devilscabanaboy19** · 03-07-2002, 03:25 PM

it doesn't say anything about it being water soluble or not. If you recall that was my question.

**9natural9** · 03-07-2002, 03:30 PM

u just answered ur own question...

here:

Equipoise has a relatively high anabolic effect which is usually connected with a moderately distinct androgenic component. For this reason, Equipoise is not the steroid that will cause enormous gains in strength and muscle mass in the shortest time. Equipoise has a very favorable effect on the organism's nitrogen balance so that the main effect consists of a distinctly increased protein synthesis in the muscle cell. The resulting gain in body weight consists of a solid quality increase of the muscles which occurs slowly and evenly. The high quality is caused by low water retention of the substance. An additional advantage is that Equipoise aromatizes only slightly, thus making it an effective drug to use when preparing for competitions. Athletes who are dieting combine Equipoise with Winstrol Depot and report a dramatic increase in muscle hardness. Together with a sufficiently high supply of calories and protein this combination offers its users a large increase in strength and a rapid gain in qual-ity muscles. Many will notice that Equipoise stimulates the appe-tite. The advantages achieved can usually be well-maintained over several weeks after use of the compound is discontinued. Equipoise also stimulates the erythropoiesis which is manifested by improved development and the formation of red blood cells. Bodybuilders thus experience an improved pump effect during workout and an im-proved vascularity

For most male athletes the weekly dosage is usually 150-300 mg. Often since only the 25 mg version can be found, frequent or very voluminous injections are necessary For most athletes 50 mg (corresponding to a 2 ml injection) taken every second day is sufficient. Advanced and ambitious bodybuilders usually take higher doses (50 mg daily) and achieve dramatic results. Women also usually respond well to Equipoise and with 5 0-100 mg/week they gain good muscles with a low water retention. A dosage in this range is usually well tolerated. Higher dosages can cause virilization symptoms such as deep voice, increased production of the sebaccous gland and acne, increased libido and in some cases increased hair growth on the face and legs. Men have few problems with Equipoise. Since water and salt retentions are low, the blood pressure usually does not increase. Acne, gynecomastia , and increased aggressiveness occur only in rare instances. The feared "steroid fever," which can occur when using veterinary steroids , is rare with Equipoise since the product by Squibb is highly sterile and pure. Those who experience flu-like symptoms when they begin taking the compound should reduce the dosage for a short time. The price on the black market for a 10 ml vial is usu-ally around $90. The 50 ml vial is usually around $250.

**D00fy** · 03-07-2002, 04:42 PM

wonders why he gets hardly no flames while i got the bad flames

**Gear101** · 03-07-2002, 04:46 PM

tity bar with really good looking dances alway does it for me!!!

**4plates** · 03-07-2002, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by D00fy
wonders why he gets hardly no flames while i got the bad flames

what are you talking about doofus , you didnt get flammed that bad!

**XXABSOXX** · 03-07-2002, 05:23 PM

to get hard depending how many cycles u got under ur belt eq 600mg per week 50mg winny wd last 6 weeks 100mg of prop every 2 days...i dont know the name of it but they make prop for human use i hard the pumps are sick off that stuff

**jersey juice** · 03-07-2002, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by gettinthere
"how young is too young?"
Most people on this forum will tell you that anyone below22 is too young. In a way they are right because you more than likely still have genetic potential that you could tap into. however, some people mature faster than others so... If you have already made up your mind then i'm not going to talk you out of it. EQ is equipoise, a veterinary steroid commonly used in horses. It gives the muscles a hard, vascular look. also ups your appettite from what i hear. I haven't used it yet but i have some coming so i'll let you know how it works for me. On this same note guys....how long does it take for me to see any results from test enan. 500wk and eq 400wk? how fast are these to gettin in the system??

I'd say about week 5 you'll see some noticable differences in size. Are you running any anti-e's to keep the bloat off? That will be the first thing you notice, a nice puffy face from water retention.

**devilscabanaboy19** · 03-07-2002, 05:52 PM

so has anyone ever actually taken winny and equipose? I'm looking for some results from someone who has expericence with them.

**poppapump58** · 03-07-2002, 08:18 PM

The best thing to harden up is viagra. Its great!

**RUSSIANBEAR** · 03-07-2002, 11:10 PM

"Halo" will make you hard as a rock bro. Run it at 20-30mg/day for 4-5 weeks youll be amazed. You can stack it with some EQ for better results. Winny is also a good choice but nothing beats "halo".