Large dose Cycle critique

**juicelee** · 10-06-2004, 11:12 AM

Hey bros,

I just finished readin up on some of the previous threads about large dose cycles and, I am considering giving one a shot this time around. My gains have been minimal on the 500mg/week dose (usually test only). I am currently at about 230lbs I would like to be over 260lbs by the time I am finished with my next cycle. I just have a few more ?'s. Do I increase my adex dose along with my test dose or will the adex no matter what dose eliminate all estro, I was thinking about runnin it at .25mg ed and, at what dose do I need to make sure I get bloodwork done to check my levels? Should I continue to take monday thursday shots or ed shots of the long esters? Also if there is any modifications you would make to my cycle please let me kno I have no experience thus far with large doses. Here goes...

Wk 1-21 1000mg test cyp
Wk 1-20 400mg EQ
Wk 10-21 100mg Tren ED
Wk 15-21 50mg Winny ED
Wk 1-4,8-12,16-22, 60mcg IGF1Lr3 ED

PCT= Slin 6-8 ius ED PWO, Adex, Novla, Clomid, Trib

**DEVLDOG** · 10-06-2004, 11:19 AM

looks pretty solid bro.as for injection feguency for the test i would shoot 400mg every 3rd day.that will give you roughly 1 gram a week in the long run.as for larger doses equaling larger gains.it dont work that way.you need to eat like a 260# bb if you want to be one.diet is the #1 reason why people dont reach there goals.as your lbw increases,your colories need to also.i think larger doses are good for maintaining higher weight.i dont think a 325# jay cutler could maintain that muscle on 500mg a week of test.know what i mean

**BUYLONGTERM** · 10-06-2004, 11:25 AM

Have you done Tren before? 100mg ED is rough bro. I had to lower my dose because my whole mental attitude changed! It was scary. No one knew who I was. I now only do between 50mg -100mg.

Be safe,

BLT

**juicelee** · 10-06-2004, 11:33 AM

Thanks guys

I will definetly be goin to town on this one I'm gonna be eating like a monster. You guys know of any sites maybe that I could order something like brown Rice in Bulk? Thanks you for ur help

Yeah I have done it b4 and, I agree with you it wrecked my social life along with my relationship and, my nights sleep. What would u guys throw in its place, I was thinking masteron ??? Whats your guy's take?

**BUYLONGTERM** · 10-06-2004, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by juicelee

Thanks guys

I will definetly be goin to town on this one I'm gonna be eating like a monster. You guys know of any sites maybe that I could order something like brown Rice in Bulk? Thanks you for ur help

Yeah I have done it b4 and, I agree with you it wrecked my social life along with my relationship and, my nights sleep. What would u guys throw in its place, I was thinking masteron??? Whats your guy's take?

Tren is a GREAT drug, but I don't think you need to do 100mg ED. Try 75mg. The sides aren't nearly as bad, and you still will get great results..

Best of luck,

BLT

**juicelee** · 10-06-2004, 11:41 AM

ok bro thanks alot for ur help

**Pork Chop** · 10-06-2004, 02:50 PM

I would eliminate anti-e's if you show no sides, it will help you achieve your goal.

Cyp has a life of almost 2 weeks.
I only inject once a week. Same with Enan.

Also consider Enan for greater gains (and to reach 260).

**MMC78** · 10-06-2004, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

I would eliminate anti-e's if you show no sides, it will help you achieve your goal.

Cyp has a life of almost 2 weeks.
I only inject once a week. Same with Enan.

Also consider Enan for greater gains (and to reach 260).

Maintaining healthy cholesterol is reason enough for running anti-E's.

Why risk gyno and cardio-vascular disease? Not to mention the extreme bloating?

This isn't the first post you've made with stupid and/or dangerous advice. WTF is your problem?

**MrMent1on** · 10-06-2004, 03:10 PM

Dude your 230 and want to hit 260? well Incorporate Slin with your IGF-1 that will put you over the top. i'm currently doing a simular cycle with Test E 1000mg/week i do 1cc EOD and double up on saturday, I also use Eq @600mg and Deca @400mg with HGH 4iu and Slin 10iu i'm in my 7th week on a 24 weeker and so far packed on 29lbs. use ur anti-e's for prevention. I currently use arimidex .25mgED, nolva 20mgED and HCG 285iu 5 x week.

**toolman** · 10-06-2004, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

I would eliminate anti-e's if you show no sides, it will help you achieve your goal.

Cyp has a life of almost 2 weeks.
I only inject once a week. Same with Enan.

Also consider Enan for greater gains (and to reach 260).

MMC78 is right Porkshop, this is real bad advice. Not only does the nolva improve the ldl/hdl ratio, it helps many other ways. Further, Anti e's do not hinder gains in any way, unless you consider estrogen related water bloat a gain.

Like the bro said, stop giving advice that is dangerous and read up on here and learn. You are obviously getting some bad info in the gym.

**joevette** · 10-06-2004, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by MrMent1on

Dude your 230 and want to hit 260? well Incorporate Slin with your IGF-1 that will put you over the top. i'm currently doing a simular cycle with Test E 1000mg/week i do 1cc EOD and double up on saturday, I also use Eq @600mg and Deca @400mg with HGH 4iu and Slin 10iu i'm in my 7th week on a 24 weeker and so far packed on 29lbs. use ur anti-e's for prevention. I currently use arimidex.25mgED, nolva 20mgED and HCG 285iu 5 x week.

I agree, since you're using slin during PCT you're obviously comfortable with it. I'd cycle it the same time as the IGF-1 LR3. Start low with the slin and work up if you haven't used it with IGF-1 LR3 because IGF-1 increases insulin sensitivity.

**toolman** · 10-06-2004, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

I would eliminate anti-e's if you show no sides, it will help you achieve your goal.

Cyp has a life of almost 2 weeks.
I only inject once a week. Same with Enan.

Also consider Enan for greater gains (and to reach 260).

Also, the rest of the post was wrong too. Cyp and enan are almost identical esters with a carbon atom of difference. THey will give you the same exact gains. They also have the same half life. Also injecting 2x a week will result in a more stable test level. Read about half life and blood levels and you will see why.

**Pork Chop** · 10-06-2004, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by MMC78

Maintaining healthy cholesterol is reason enough for running anti-E's.

Why risk gyno and cardio-vascular disease? Not to mention the extreme bloating?

This isn't the first post you've made with stupid and/or dangerous advice. WTF is your problem?

I'm offering first hand advice based on personal experience and that of workout/user partners.

Just because it's not a clone of a cycle you do doesn't make it bad.

The user said his goal is to gain more weight. Test E will do this - grant it, it does hold more water, in the end he will tip the scale closer to his target.